idk anything about israel specifically but operating near large military vehicles really is dangerous and takes a lot of training and discipline to do it well under fire, infantry are usually in concealed cover positions and vehicle crew have limited visibility (with the hatches closed during combat especially) and completely overwhelmed hearing, idk the stats but i've heard from people in the military that especially in training exercises being run over is a common cause of death - there will be soldiers asleep camping in the field or passed out from exhaustion on a march and tank drivers drive right over them without even realizing. it should ideally be less common in combat because of radio communication and coordinated movement (in combat, everyone there is there to do the same/related jobs, where in training its a bunch of unrelated training groups doing different things in the same area), so this is still probably evidence of poor quality troops if not poor leadership and communications.
Correct combined arms tactics require infantry to be a few hundred meters in front of armored vehicles. It doesn't work if they cower behind the armor like scared little piggies.
Who could have foreseen the army with 20 year old lieutenants and 22 year old captains would panic and just start spraying everything that moved with bullets.
Damn, where are the Israel equivalent of 9/11 truthers for something like this. They already had the reveal that gov bodies knew about all the details of the attack in advance, this is like if the US released a report saying 'yeah there may have been some missiles fired into the twin towers in the confusion but it wouldn't be morally sound to investigate further.'
They already had the reveal that gov bodies knew about all the details of the attack in advance,
I don't buy this when they say it. If you're referring to that New York Times article where Israeli intelligence basically claimed to have the Oct. 7 Hamas attack handbook, then yeah it's all BS in my opinion. Mouin Rabbani, when talking to Rania Khalek, said it best:
now of course um in addition to operation sword of iron which is um the operational name of the Israeli Onslaught on the Gaza Strip there's an equally important operation being conducted which is known as operation cover your ass in which every Israeli official and their brother claims to have known exactly what was going to happen warned everyone about it but it was someone else's fault that they didn't do anything um I don't take these issues uh seriously I mean you even had a long article in the New York Times um that the Israelis actually had a copy of Hamas's Master planning document for the um uh October 7th attack but maybe they thought it was a short story I don't know um you know first of all I very much doubt whether such a document even exists um it was probably written by someone in the Israeli intelligence agents to give to the New York Times to show that you know it wasn't us you need to talk to it was a fault of the politicians or it was a fault of the army um and then you had a um a day or two later an article in the Jerusalem Post which even though operating under rules of Israeli military censorship I thought was much more accurate that they had no information which is why they were um unable to prepare
yeah it's uh you know you could just imagine if you're uh involved in some sort of militant activity and you're preparing a very secret operation that nobody knows about but you definitely wrote it all down and somehow you know it ended up in the hands of the Israelis I mean it's it's kind of absurd on its face
There's an anecdote of Hamas fighters paragliding into the festival, becoming confused because there's no IDF soldier in the crowd, so they just start walking around asking the audience if they see any soldiers shortly before the "Hamas massacre" happened
I kind of like to imagine there are a few anti-zionists in there who are using the baffling level of structural incompetence as cover for fragging officers