Chinese commenter on how to use material conditions to change women's rights in Afghanistan

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I get the point. Now, all my aprons come from Pakistan, how are women's rights doing there? Or India? Or Bangladesh?

"Better than before women were employed in factories", OK fine. But this comment should be indistinguishable from r/neoliberal if that place weren't nazis in denial

women were involved in the industrial workforce in the west from the beginning, and three waves of feminism were still needed - the work not even over after that. So I don't really know if i agree with this take.

I much prefer the western strategy where we bomb the shit out of them until they realize how superior our western values^tm are.

I don't consider it a coincidence in the slightest that women's liberation kicked into high gear with women's employment and education opportunities. Anything else strikes me as cart before the horse.

when youre turnt up on dialectical materialism

I don’t know about that. The short-lived communist government of Afghanistan already gave women the rights to enroll in formal education and hold professional jobs, until it was couped by US-backed conservative forces in the name of anti-Soviet communism.

This kind of argument actually sounds more like what a capitalist would say lol. See we are letting women into the workforce to double the labor force and double our profit! That’s progress!

Idk if Bangladeshi women are very liberated. (obviously better than Afghanistan but still)

there still needs to be a transition from capitalism.

He put it very vulgarly but that's more or less a point I've read from other marxists, that proletarianization MAY bring about mass politics

Turn 👏 feudal serf👏 women 👏 into 👏 sweatshop 👏 workers

SMH at the anti-dengism ITT.

This is like accelerationism but for creating capitalism

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I could imagine China using policy demands (similar to what the IMF does, but not evil) in exchange for financing, economic development, but IDK if turning Afghanistan into 18th century England will do much good.

Mixed feelings on foreign capital investment. I'd want to see the economic proposals laid out first before coming to any conclusions.

So much better than that whole The cowardly Afghani thing from that thread in the dunk tank

This is essentially true even if they didn't explicitly spell out political struggle that women would have to engage in. Actually existing feudalism hasn't existed anywhere for decades. All that shit about Afghani tribes living in a premodern society is just racism. Afghanistan, like most of the world, has a capitalist economy even if you want to nitpick that the superstructure still has feudal remnants. I mean, the UK still has feudal remnants in its superstructure through their inbred German royals, but no one calls the UK some quaint society that hasn't fully embraced modernity.

And in a capitalist economy, it shouldn't be controversial to say that the prerequisite for workers obtaining political power is for them to join the formal economy, where they can then withhold their labor as workers through worker strikes. Stuff like elevating the lumpenproletariat as the key revolutionary subject makes more sense if we're talking about internal colonies/fourth world where the internally colonized are forcefully denied employment within the formal economy or a (neo)colonial situation where most workers of the formal economy are clerical workers working with the (neo)colonial government in sucking the country dry, but this obviously isn't the case for Afghanistan. Worker strikes imply workers who are part of the formal economy. It's one more tool Afghani women can use to fight for women's rights and dismantle the patriarchy. I'm not sure what's wrong with this or how this is "un-Marxist."

Actually no, China needs to wage holy war on the Taliban and force them all the adopt the version of Islam that Hui people have. Then they'll have female imams and from there powerful female imams will lead the revolutionary vanguard for women's rights.

Not 100% sure but I think the context for this comment is a very cool video of a Chinese solar panel plant in Afghanistan.

Marxist-Leninists performing bourgeois revolutions better than any bourgeois party ever could

Appreciation of socialism will follow China's assistance, so that might make things easier for people

The conclusion anyone who has played Victoria 3 would come to, once you have enough factories that all your peasants are employed you can't keep building more, but you gotta get landowner clout low enough that the dang aristocrats can't stop you from passing Propertied Women

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this thread is like the dengist version of reform or revolution

"howdy, what's going on in this thread?"

come on

Women employed by a Taliban led government doesn't sound especially liberatory

Afghanistan is preparing to counter another insurrection by “ISIS”. If they’re willing to recruit a bunch of men to fight while not training women to run the country when they’re out or dead, I’m not sure if the solution is as simple as “more consumerism”. Though more jobs may be helpful in combatting the allure of extremism for the mean time, but the liberation of anyone won’t happen from simply having high demand for production.

"Come with plows, tractors, and fertilizer..."

This is indistinguishable from an IMF policy document, or a tweet from some of the 🌐 nerds, yikes