Trump's Team 'Literally Popping Champagne' Over Supreme Court Taking Up Immunity Claim
Trump's Team 'Literally Popping Champagne' Over Supreme Court Taking Up Immunity Claim
Donald Trump's team has been celebrating the Supreme Court's decision to take up the former president's claim that he is immune from prosecution.
The former president is now highly unlikely to stand trial in the Justice Department's election interference case before November
The Supreme Court handed Donald Trump a massive victory on Wednesday by agreeing to rule on whether he is immune from prosecution for acts committed while he was president. The court will hear arguments on April 22 and won’t hand down a decision until June — which means it’s unlikely a trial in the Justice Department’s election interference case will commence before the election. If Trump wins the election, he’ll of course appoint an attorney general who will toss the case, regardless of how the Supreme Court rules this summer.
By Wednesday night, Trumpland was celebrating.
“Literally popping champagne right now,” a lawyer close to Donald Trump told Rolling Stone late on Wednesday.
Call me old fashioned but it seems like a flaw in the legal system if it takes slightly longer than one 4-year presidential term to prosecute someone for interference in a presidential election.
The real screw up here was appointing a fucking conservative as attorney general.
Never, ever show kindness to conservatives. Politeness and professionalism? Sure. But a conservative sees kindness as a weakness to exploit. That is just who they are at their core.
Reaching across the aisle by appointing Merrick Garland was an extremely stupid move that could cost us our democracy.
Yes, very. Federal judges have huge case loads, and expanding the size of the federal bench would be one way to fix that. At least doubling it, and quite possibly doubling it again.
Democrats haven't touched this because they're spineless and don't want to be seen to be stuffing the bench after Republicans already stuffed the bench.
Democrats haven't touched this because they're spineless and don't want to be seen to be stuffing the bench after Republicans already stuffed the bench.
I don't even know if it's just that they're spineless. Part of me thinks that the majority of people in Congress don't really mind a conservative judicial system.
The vast majority of people in Congress are affluent white people, and they really have nothing to gain by replacing a conservative judge with a liberal one. A conservative judicial system isn't going to stop them from leaving the country for an abortion, or change what the private schools teach their children. While a liberal judge may increase their taxes, make it harder to accept bribes, or even ruin their businesses by implementing labor laws.
I just don't really see anything that would really motivate anyone in Congress to enact a more fair judicial system.
Charles Manson never personally murdered anyone. There was no video of the crime. It took 2 years from the day his cult murdered people to Manson being sentenced to jail for life.
3 years later after a live televised insurrection and not even a trial.
Garland was gonna let him skate. It wasn't until he refused to give back the classified documents that he crossed the line and Garland have the go-ahead to prosecute him for that. And once you've given permission to prosecute an ex-president for one thing, you can't tell the other prosecutors who want to nail him for other crimes 'no'.
Garland should never have been picked as AG. He's literally the guy democrats pick when they want to tell Republicans "Hey, we see you, we love you, and you have nothing to worry about from us. So please just be normal 💕"
it seems like a flaw in the legal system
Oh no, this is exactly how it's designed. The rich are above the law.
he's about to win and make the country permanently more autocratic
And we slip even closer to fascism
What if i told you..
Morpheusface
We are already there?
I'm not being edgy. Let's review the 14 signs:
The 14 characteristics are:
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Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
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Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
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Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
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Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
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Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
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Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
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Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
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Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
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Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
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Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
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Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
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Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
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Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
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Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
I expect pushback on this, simply because it is absolutely terrifying and worse? I don't know what to do other than try and point this out to people. Maybe someone somewhere knows a way outta this mess.
It's not coming, it's here friends, the future is today. Fascism isn't binary. It's not yes/no, it's analog, the dial slowly turned up. And like the proverbial boiling frog, if you're expecting there to be a flashing sign, one giant moment that signals to everyone yes, yes now we are here, this is fascism?
It walks the streets outside your home, in the hallways of your building. It is just outside your door, getting ready to knock on someones. Will you know it before they knock on yours?
Aye the seeds of fascism have already sprouted weeds
Will you know it before they knock on yours?
The State: I am the one who knocks!
waitwaitwait, you mean accusing our political opponents of being traitors isn't democracy? well what if we just want to criminalize their political activity and throw em in jail? or accuse them of working with foreign interests? surely, it's not fascism all the way down: the corporate media insists fascism can't be here until the next election!
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People forgetting we didn't win the revolution through voting.
Of note, this has nothing to do with the $450,000,000 and $83,000,000 bonds he needs to put up very soon
It doesn't matter. He can hold off on liquidation until November and if he wins, (which would mean there's a strong chance the Senate flips), have his cronies pass a, " lol god emperors don't pay for summary judgements" bill.
No he can't. The Special Monitor overseeing his assets and watching his books has the authority to start seizing assets until he's satisfied the monetary requirements to appeal, and she can do that right now. And, there's interest running on the meter until he does.
He's gonna pay whether he likes it or not.
He wouldn't even need to do that. He would just need to sell a few of those Top Secret documents to MBS, and all of a sudden the Trump Org has another 2 billion worth of business in Saudi Arabia
This judgment has far more frightening implications, if the president is above the law.
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Get out of here. It's possible to criticize more than one thing. It's possible to say one thing is bad while recognizing another thing is worse.
Sorry mate, that's just not how things work in the "information age".
You're right, only one thing can be true at a time
it’s what they were installed for. trump gave us a corrupt court that will last for decades, regardless of him not being in office.
“Literally popping champagne right now,”
Is that what people call snorting coke now?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Supreme Court handed Donald Trump a massive victory on Wednesday by agreeing to rule on whether he is immune from prosecution for acts committed while he was president.
If Trump wins the election, he’ll of course appoint an attorney general who will toss the case, regardless of how the Supreme Court rules this summer.
“Literally popping champagne right now,” a lawyer close to Donald Trump told Rolling Stone late on Wednesday.
For months, Trump’s lawyers expected the federal trial to start this summer, and they have actively prepared for that scenario.
During oral arguments before the D.C. Court of Appeals in January, the former president’s lawyers argued that presidential immunity should cover everything, even having political rivals assassinated.
The court disagreed, unanimously rejecting Trump’s immunity claim earlier this month.
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During oral arguments before the D.C. Court of Appeals in January, the former president’s lawyers argued that presidential immunity should cover everything, even having political rivals assassinated.
Maybe Biden should take one for the country. You know the court would rule against absolute immunity for something Biden did. And he's old enough, that he probably wouldn't even see jail. No more Trump, no question as to if the president is above the law. Win win.
Maybe Biden should take one for the country
At the very least (and less gory of an outcome) Biden should assemble Seal Team Six in the Oval Office and publicize it. The media and pundits will run with it and it will put Trump, MAGA, and the conservative "think tanks" in a tizzy over the immunity claims, and perhaps make the conservative SCOTUS justices (who are going to ultimately rule against Trump anyways, after enough of a delay to torpedo the federal charge trials) squirm behind close doors. But Biden and the Democrats won't do it, because they're always taking the high road and won't use the media to their advantage, even when democracy is in the balance.
Yea give presidents immunity, Biden can use it exactly once, and then cancel it all together
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Oh... Wait.. why have I neither thought nor read this? That's... Smart.
Elie Honig had an interesting take on this on his podcast. While I'm not sure that I completely agree with Elie, I feel like he tends to say things that, emotionally, I wish weren't true but that are very factually true.
Elie said that, as supreme court cases go, even important ones, this is a very accelerated timeline. They are asking both sides to prepare their arguments quickly but want to allow both sides to construct their arguments. He also suggested that this is exactly the kind of case that the supreme court should hear. It is an issue of first impression with dire impacts for our country, both in the short and long-term. He argued that this kind of decision shouldn't be left to an appeals court simply because it is simply too important. It requires the weight of the supreme court.
Totally valid. That said, it's unreal that the question is even being asked. It was never a question before Trump. The fact that he is actually the GOP nominee when this is a question before SCOTUS because of him blows my mind.
Mostly likely, the conservative majority will affirm the lower court ruling and agree that the president doesn't have that sort of immunity. But they can do so late enough to kill the case, which is the goal here.
Democrats could have precluded this whole thing by finding him guilty as a result of the impeachment.
Every Democrat and some Republicans found him guilty. They needed 60 votes. They got 57 with 7 Republicans finding him guilty.
And even worse, after voting against impeachment, GOP majority leader McConnell stated Trump was responsible for 1/6.
This should have been a bipartisan conviction, but the Democrats were the only ones that cared for there to be accountability. But you know that most likely. It's common knowledge.
finding him guilty as a result of the impeachment.
What does this mean, like literally? Are you a troll, or gaslighting? Every single non-Republican did vote that DJT was guilty, as part of the impeachment process.
Republicans literally saved him from being removed from office, yet somehow Democrats are to blame in that trial? Your worldview of globally-documented historic events is wild...