Despite billions being spent on propaganda over the past two years, people in Europe are starting to see past it
Despite billions being spent on propaganda over the past two years, people in Europe are starting to see past it
The Anti-Corruption Foundation, which criticizes Putin and is reputed to be the best independent pollster in Russia, just did a poll in Germany & France. It asked: who's responsible for starting the Ukraine war?
Here's Germany's result:
Here are the polling numbers from France:
It appears that both in Germany and France, more people believe that the US is responsible for starting the war in Ukraine than believe that Putin is responsible.
Leonid Volkov of the Anti-Corruption Foundation claims that these numbers show how effective Putin's propaganda is in Germany & France.
This is a laughable explanation of the numbers given that populations of Germany and France are exposed to US propaganda to a far greater degree than they are exposed to Russian propaganda. In fact, much of Russian media is even banned in EU at this point.
One can only imagine what these numbers would look like if the populations of Germany and France were not being bombarded with US government propaganda about the origins of the Ukraine war.
Who the hell wrote those questions, why is Putin even separate from Russia and why Russians are singled out as a nation here.
the answer being "Vladimir Putin" instead of "Russia" or "the Russian government" is just peak liberalism
I noticed that as well, I love how they keep trying to pretend that Putin just rules by decree. You even see it in articles about the military news as if Putin personally commands all the forces, like he's playing an RTS there or something. It's absolutely incredible framing. I guess it's necessary to keep the whole if we only got rid of Putin everything would be great narrative going.
Putin is god almighty vs all Russians are orcs - two button meme (liberals press both).
Actually this narration is quite understandable for two reasons, first is idealism and fear of marxism, capitalist media fear doing the materialist analysis of material conditions, so they instead press the most vulgar idealist interpretation for which even Ranke and Gibbon would kick their asses. And no wonder, imagine what would happen if people suddenly started to use historical materialism! Second is the realpolitik, if they manage to get rid of Putin and vassalize Russia they would need to tone down the hatred in order to control it and direct it to next target.
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The Anti-Corruption Foundation
Asks "Please select who is responsible for the war? Is it:
A) A country (USA)
B) A person (Putin)
C) A transnational nuclear military (NATO)
D) A continent (European Countries)
E) A country and its people (Russia and The Russians)
F) This question is hard to answer "Not the USA and it's people. Not Joe Biden. Not European people. Not Ukraine and The Ukrainians.
It's laughably corrupt
I remember taking English classes and learning about how to avoid biasing polls and such. But these professional journalists don't even try to have the same level of integrity as school children. Western media is truly incredible. Incredibly shit.
Western media loves to jerk itself off about its O B J E C T I V I T Y too.
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My fav part is that the whole Russiagate has been debunked at this point, but liberals are still running around parroting it. These are the people who pride themselves on rational thinking, but in practice they're no different from qanon nuts.
resurrect extinct animals
Wait what? Are we finally getting cloned mammoths?!
germans are probably still pissed the US took out the nord stream 2. if you want to overcome a 12% spike in energy costs, you gotta spend way more on the propaganda. like yank burgerbrain levels. we're talking multiple $100 million budget blockbuster summer movies, children's toy tie-ins, video games. smoke machines, laser lights, 100 meter tall robots breathing fire, all you can eat fried meat, monster trucks crashing into each other, music so loud even the young people think the world is coming to an end.
yank burgerbrain levels. we're talking multiple $100 million budget blockbuster summer movies, children's toy tie-ins, video games. smoke machines, laser lights, 100 meter tall robots breathing fire, all you can eat fried meat, monster trucks crashing into each other, music so loud even the young people think the world is coming to an end.
You can get that full experience with about an hour of uncurated TikTok.
What having to pay for the electric bill will do to an mf
turns out that no amount of propaganda can compete with the material conditions people experience
It takes a lot of guts for a multi-millionaire politician to tell the common people "you're gonna have to make do with austerity because we decided for you that we need to beat the russians" at least I can recognize that
Here's to hoping that Europe can separate from the US and integrate with Eurasia 🥳
That's basically the process that US was aiming to prevent from developing with the war. If Europe continued economic integration with Russia and China then US would necessarily start losing political influence over it. Now, Europe is stuck with US unless there's a massive political upheaval, which may yet happen.
Yet they pretend that the EU countries were not the instigators of this conflict as well.
To be fair, it's not like EU has any sovereignty at this point. It's a vassal of the US and the bureaucrats do what the empire tells them to.
It's funny isn't it. That's how you know it's an anti-Putin pollster: it's split the vote against Putin in Germany by separating US/NATO/Europe (with or without Ukraine) – 53% or 62% to Putin/Russia's 27%/29%. That's a damning indictment of the pro-war machine. Who knew that if you turn off the gas tap you piss off enough people that they start asking questions like, 'Which scheiß put the price up?'
In France it was multiple choice so people could pick more than one option and it's closer to the combined German results although there are more answers for every category. That makes sense; the real answer is 'all of the above' except 'and the Russians' and, although it's not on there 'and the Ukrainians'. A better question would be who is most responsible, which seems to be how most people have interpreted it.
One question is why change the methodology? Did they think the French would give even more damning answers than the Germans? Or did the pollsters see the German answers and say, 'Quick, how do we make Putin look worse?'
The real nugget of gold from this is that it reveals 62% of Germans and 43% of the French are lemmygrad lurkers: guten tag / bonjour comrades!
I mean, the way you know it's an anti-Putin pollster is by going to the website for the Anti-Corruption Foundation and seeing that the button for donating money is labeled "Help defeat Putin"
In fact, much of Russian media is even banned in EU at this point.
Yes but the truth can't be hidden from investigative Europeans, with all their freedom of expression and thought. They will search out the truth wherever it may be and recognise it when they see it. Hang on, no, wait, that doesn't work, either. They aren't allowed to see that propaganda because they're too gullible and believe everything they hear. What? They're only allowed to hear anti-Russian propaganda? Well, no, I didn't mean it like that.
it's really getting hard for the propagandists to keep the narrative straight
They could spend all the money in the world on propaganda, but it won't change people's material conditions.
The crazy thing is that they'd rather try that than just...give concessions to the working class and prevent a revolution.
It's because Germany and France are experiencing direct economic consequences from the invasion, with the US strategy being to use this war to screw over Europe.
Material conditions will always trump propaganda.
What is up with those French numbers? That's way more than 100%
It shows in the graph. The French question was multiple choice.
Ah, good catch. Still weird that they used two different polling methods though.
Now consider that the U.S. runs NATO and has a similar degree of control over their European vassals.
i mean, germany and france know about nazis, so they'd be more knowledgeable that putin is truly "denazifying" ukraine and US is lying
isnt the correct answer Petro Poroshenko , 2014 ?
the only way he got in power was thanks to Vicky Nuland orchestrating a coup though
I feel like people vastly overestimate the scale of russian influence over the internet. I can't wait until the CIA and FBI start blaming all of the shit they do on the russians.
It's clearly nowhere close to US influence, and it's interesting that people seem to be far less worried about that.
Because USA good. USA make entertainment that me like. I want to move to LA like on Netflix show. So USA good and Russia evil because USA show tell me so.
Lol what a bunch of window-licking tankies in here. Hoo boy the USA has nothing to worry about if you're representative of the opposition.
Lol what a bunch of window-licking tankies in here. Hoo boy the USA has nothing to worry about if you're representative of the opposition.
Fuck off, cracker
Typical Amerikkkan drivel. The USA should be more worried about their abysmal healthcare, declining life expectancy, terrible education, rabid jingoism, poor quality of life, hungry children, covid deaths, human rights violations, war crimes and crimes against humanity rather than the "opposition" as you put it.
I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU
100% facts, now go back to boot licking 😘
Name checks out; the "irony" mask is a bit thin. tips fedora
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You’re threatened enough to spend time taunting us.
Actions tell more than words.
Sure buddy :)
Yes, if only the United States did not send thousands of armed troops into Ukraine to kill and rape Ukrainian citizens and forcibly annex Ukrainian sovereign territory, this war would never have happened, because no one is attacking Ukraine right now except the United States of America. As a matter of fact, someone should send weapons and supplies to the Ukrainian military so they can forcibly purge these barbaric American occupiers within their borders with extreme incendiary prejudice and send the pieces of those filthy Yankee scum back to their shithole country in a box so they regret ever sending jack booted thugs to terrorize the good people of Ukraine.
(hint: this was sarcasm and I was actually describing what russia was doing to ukraine)
Noooo dooood Europeans you were supposed to listen to us and agree that Russians are subhuman orcs nooo what do you mean we blew up your pipelines and that we directly coup’ed Ukraine dude stop falling for the Evil Russian PropagandaTM and come back and listen to our propaganda insteadI mean our objective fact reality based news!!!Unironically this. It all started when the USA succeeded in its near-century-long project of annihilating the USSR. It’s good to see that some people here at least have an awareness of history that goes beyond what the millionaires-paid-by-billionaires on CNN tell them.
Thank you for your enlightened liberal take on the war in Ukraine. You are very intelligent.
vladolf putler just woke up one day and decided to launch a full-scale invasion with his war of aggression for absolutely no reason at all
I'm sure his excuses sound perfectly salient in his own mind.
similarly, one kid holding his finger an inch away from another kid's arm while taunting "I'm not touching you!!!!" is understandably insufferable, and maybe in 1993 I would've felt a nigh implacable urge to punch the other kid for "not touching" me, but even though it's the tip of an ice berg comprising a long history of being dicked around, punching someone for "not touching you" is still the morally wrong move.
you know, instead of thousands of people dying for no good fucking reason, maybe they could've just stayed home. it wouldn't have fixed the prior (actually valid) wrongs inflicted by the 'west', but it wouldn't have made everything SO MUCH WORSE on every single fucking metric, maybe.
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barbaric
Yes, we are aware of the US involvement in the Russian Civil War, but they weren't around in Ukraine.
