What scenarios do you envision might arise once animals join our ranks?
What scenarios do you envision might arise once animals join our ranks?
A new Doolittlesque initiative aims to promote Internet communication among smart animals
I heard about this because someone I know personally on here says she's helping to work on this (which by the way sounds like it would perfectly fit the format/structure of the fediverse) and I felt too fascinated to not ask. What are some scenarios that comes to mind when you think of this being a thing?
I’m fairly certain I’ve already communicated with a few animals through the Internet.
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I think if it turns out that most animals are able to communicate to the same level humans are we'll end up with conflict between meat eaters and vegans, at least for a few generations.
- If we've already got affordable lab grown meat options it'll probably just be old people who don't trust lab meat or aren't really able to comprehend that we can talk to animals and nobody will take them seriously.
- People would probably protest or maybe take direct action if we don't have affordable lab meat but may eventually be placated if insects are unable to communicate and we develop convincing meat like insect protein forms.
- But if we don't have either of those alternatives I think that there could be a straight up war between (probably religious zealot) meat eaters and vegans.
- This conflict would die out with subsequent generations but there may still be a "real" meat black market.
But imagine if we can employ an animal to help us say build a house or a ship. It could change our lives entirely.
no, the conflict would likely turn even worse. Way too many see animals as inferior beings for people to just agree on something like this.
Yes itll be like the matrix instead .. Beast wars!
but may eventually be placated if insects are unable to communicate and we develop convincing meat like insect protein forms.
Brave of you to assume enough insects will exist.
Gorillas throwing that poop emoji 💩 everywhere
The 18+ department will explode, and I’m not even joking.
Yea interspecies sex will become as mainstream as porn today.
It might take a while to become acceptable to most people and some will be against it forever, but people will be trying to use this tech for bestiality as soon as it becomes available.
We can all throw shit at Reddit together.
Without more specifics to your scenario, let's say you're talking about we make a commutation device for gorillas and cetaceans since they are pretty intelligent, so the most likely to be the first ones we can talk to and understand each other.
Do we still have dominion over them?
Can we come into their homes and take things and trash the place? Do we compensate them?
Do we force our standards of behavior on them? If animals can fight for food and they want to eat your pet and for them might makes right, can a gorilla beat you up and take it? If not, why not?
If we learn they have feelings, a sense of family, or have beliefs where some plants, animals, places are untouchable, do we abide by that?
I think we open this door, we will not be ready for it. I feel it will be like if we discovered a resource rich planet full of sentient creatures with the intelligence of 6 year olds. How have humans done in those scenario before when they have come across those weaker than them? Will we have learned anything?
On a brighter note, if you have not heard of David Brin's Uplift series of books, you may want to check that out if you're a reader. I only read The Uplift War, but I enjoyed it.
Okay, but picture a fox approaching a henhouse and hearing the word "danger. Large threat." In no uncertain terms in language he fully comprehends. He doesn't need to alert the dog to know a member of his kin that he cannot see knows something he doesn't.
Imagine a line of buoys broadcasting and listening for migratory whale calls to properly time gaps in shipping lanes, able to say "loud scary thing soon" and warn pods.
Teaching dolphins to assist with garbage cleanup for food in special collection docks using words like "give junk for food."
We've learned to communicate with a select few animals already. Dogs, for instance, have millenia of experience learning our body language and vice versa, and we still hold dominion over them while elevating them in our ranking of sentience over, say, insects. If any other being can form the same level of two-way communication, we should treat them with more respect.
Lastly, imagine if extraterrestrials used your line of reasoning. We would be very fortunate indeed if our difference in mental capacity and communication skills were that between a human and a whale or a gorilla.
I love the way you think.
As a sci-fi fan, I think there's an infinite number of great things that could come from it. I mentioned Uplift War, which has humans taking responsibility for raising primates up to be a space faring race and dolphins flying spaceships in water filled suits. The dog race from Fire Upon the Deep learned to communicate, develop Medieval tech, and pass on generational knowledge. Snow Crash has the cybernetic guard dogs. So many cool possibilities exist.
But I don't know if our race is ready to deal with another intelligent species able to communicate with us as equals or near equals. If we learn the true feelings of one animal, and they tell us all animals have thoughts and emotions like we do, can we eat any animal after that? And after we develop animal communication, if we learn plants are sentient as well? Again, in Fire Upon the Deep, there was a plant race that existed on a time scale we couldn't grasp because their lives were so much longer than humans. If we learn eating animals or plants now is about the same as eating your neighbors, what do we do?
We have people now that will abuse animals. Not everyone of all races values all animals the same. Much of my animal research involves owls, but they're a bad omen in some parts of the world so people kill them. Some countries really seem to not value dogs. There's Japan with their whaling. Do these become new international disputes? Do we help or take in animal refugees?
Who gets to make the determinations about animal "personhood" to determine the new animal rights or how we interact with them. Do we end up with animal embassies? Can an animal press charges against someone abusing them? Can a mouse sue a cat for eating her husband?
As for if aliens would treat us badly or even have no regard for us whatsoever as if we were ants is one hypothesis for the Fermi Paradox. Life could be hiding from a galactic murderer or most have already been wiped out by them. And again, look at our history of what we've done to other groups of humans we've come across. We've had millenia to do almost whatever to all life on this planet, and not everyone would go along with a change this massive.
I just look at all going on around the world and it seems we haven't even learned to deal with our own species properly. I just don't think we'd be able to handle another just yet.
Pretty much any aspect of our daily lives or our spirituality would be affected if we had an intellectual peer. It's fun to think about as a series of hypotheticals, but if it were real, I don't know how we'd feel about ourselves. I don't think a lot of species would necessarily be thrilled with us. I wouldn't want to have to be the first person to speak to a bison on the Great Plains for instance and try to explain why humans did what they did to them.
I will become so racism.
"Only human can walk into my home."
"No ape should step into my car"
Furries will win.
Is eating a beefsteak worth a murder ?