Israel describes a permanent cease-fire in Gaza as a ‘nonstarter,’ undermining Biden’s proposal
Israel describes a permanent cease-fire in Gaza as a ‘nonstarter,’ undermining Biden’s proposal
The statement from Netanyahu’s office came a day after Biden outlined the plan, and as families of Israeli hostages held by Hamas called for all parties to immediately accept the proposal.
Biden needs to stop appeasing Israel
Israel still has a lot of "favours" they can cash in for their genocide
I think you mean a lot of cash to buy favor with.
Fascists aren't interested in peace, news at 11.
I think Netanyahu is choosing his words carefully to get the ceasefire through (which after all he proposed) without alienating the hard(er) right wing.
Here's what he actually said:
Israel’s conditions for ending the war have not changed: The destruction of Hamas military and governing capabilities, the freeing of all hostages and ensuring that Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel
Israel will continue to insist these conditions are met before a permanent ceasefire is put in place. The notion that Israel will agree to a permanent ceasefire before these conditions are fulfilled is a non-starter
The thing is that all of those conditions, except for the hostages, are pretty subjective. Biden said in his speech that the capabilities of Hamas and the threat to Israel have already been eliminated. Nothing stops Netanyahu from declaring the same tomorrow.
That leaves the hostages. But in the three phase plan, freeing the hostages comes before the permanent ceasefire. So again, the peace plan is not inconsistent with his latest statements. I think he is simply using a harder posture to help win support.
and ensuring that Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel
The only way that can be ensured is by driving out or killing every Palestinian in Gaza.
But this isn't genocide I'm told.
Biden said in his speech that the capabilities of Hamas and the threat to Israel have already been eliminated.
Thing is Hamas is not just its armed wing. It's also a political party, with that comes a government apparatus (as in bureaucrats), and it's also a charity. It is, after all, a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot and, well, ask the Egyptians how hard it is to root out the Muslim Brotherhood.
If with "total destruction of Hamas' capabilities" they mean the whole thing then that's just another way to say that they want to keep on going forever. Biden OTOH simply seems to have referred to military capability. Israel, also the more moderate factions, will likely insist on at least dismantling the government apparatus and TBH plenty of Palestinians feel the same. Things are murky because of the war but Hamas rule was not exactly popular, charity nonwithstanding.
and, well, ask the Egyptians how hard it is to root out the Muslim Brotherhood.
You mean the Muslim Brotherhood whose presidential candidate got democratically elected by Egypt? The President who then got couped with the help of the US to install the Sisi regime that is worse than the Mubarak regime, which sparked the Arab spring in the first place?
If with "total destruction of Hamas' capabilities" they mean
That's just my paraphrase.
The actual wording used by Israel is "destruction of the military and governing capabilities of Hamas". Both of which arguably have already been destroyed.
He has conveniently ensured that all the hostages can never be freed because a lot of them are have been killed by the IDF already. Probably a bunch of their bodies are buried under so much rubble they'll never be found in our lifetimes.
The proposal specifies return of "remaining hostages who are alive".
"Ugh, you mean we both have to stop firing? No deal."
Good thing it isn't a "starter", then, but rather, something to be negotiated for phase 2.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The statement from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office came a day after Biden outlined the plan, and as families of Israeli hostages held by Hamas called for all parties to immediately accept the proposal.
And a joint statement by mediators the U.S., Egypt and Qatar pressed Israel and Hamas, saying the proposed deal “offers a road map for a permanent cease-fire and ending the crisis” and gives immediate relief to both the hostages and Gaza residents.
Cease-fire talks halted last month after a push by the U.S. and other mediators to secure a deal in hopes of averting a full-scale Israeli invasion of Gaza’s southern city of Rafah.
Families described an aggressive meeting Thursday with Israel’s national security adviser, Tzachi Hanegbi, who told them the government wasn’t ready to sign a deal to bring all hostages home and there was no plan B.
Hamas has said it viewed the proposal “positively” and called on Israel to declare an explicit commitment to an agreement that includes a permanent cease-fire, a complete withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza, a prisoner exchange and other conditions.
It leaves Israel the option to renew the war and diminish Hamas’ ability to govern, but over time, said Michael Milshtein, head of the Palestinian Studies Forum in Dayan Center at Tel Aviv University.
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What exactly is a permanent ceasefire?
Israel didn't start this latest war. If they sign a permanent ceasefire and Hamas attacks them again, would they not be able to fight back?
I'm pretty sure Hamas has no plans to stop attacking Israel even after a ceasefire, they haven't after any of the previous ones...
It seems someone has not educated themselves on history of what Israel has been doing (1948-2022).
Just because you do not read about it in the main news, it doesn’t mean that nothing has happened. That’s all I have to say.
What exactly is a permanent ceasefire?
The South Korea-North Korea ceasefire has been in place since 1953
They've literally shot at each other hundreds of times, including killing people and sinking ships.
North Korea is actively shitting (literally) on South Korea right now, by dropping feces using balloons.
What part of that is a ceasefire? It's more of a stalemate.