A better Revanced

It is open source but you can't publish modified code (this is to ensure there will be no malicious forks like there was with newpipe)

plus you missed the entire point:

... app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.

It's an app that allows you to watch the same creators across many platforms

I could not find a link to the source on the website 🤔 do you know where the source is?

Edit: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay

I don't believe newpipe has a way to cast so that's what I'm interested in here

If you watch the video, Louis explains why they only made it source available

Have you used it? It's like NewPipe except that it's better in almost every way. The ONLY downside is that it's just old-fashioned open source instead of FOSS.

Its open source, not free software.

It's not open source.....but the source is open.

What do they do differently?

Yeah FOSS or FLOSS (your teeth ) is the only viable solution we have found that really works. It's like Democracy IMO, criticize them all you want but that's the only ones that works over time.

You just described why subscriptions are rampant in the software industry.

We use to have upgrade pricing and paid major revisions for software. But things changed to progressive models. And then things like what you described came along over extended periods of time.

As long as Rossmann has a say in the ordeal I doubt it'll enshittify. If it they can't carry it anymore, I think they'll re-license it.
But in any case, I'm really glad to see effort toward this. Because I may be naive, but I think this will make viewers & potential devs aware that it's possible to have a great experience consuming video without being tied up in Youtube's basement, and I predict will inspire more FOSS in the same vein.

Grayjay can do this - there is a toggle in the settings for the YouTube addin to sync watch data with your Google account.

I just want Smarttube Next for mobile.

As lemann pointed out there's a setting for that in the YT add-on im the sources tab, not the app settings. Also myself and others have had loading issues with Revanced. It'll start playing, suddenly start buffering and never stops. Grayjay works as it should and still has the settings I want from Revanced. Not to argue, just want to let others in my situation know Grayjay is the upgrade we need.

That's the exact opposite of what most people want from an app like this.

However, I'm worried about what Rossmann says in regards to profit and maintenance. The app is moderated/worked-on by (I think paid) professionals and we should pay a license of $9.99 yet the app is also unprofitable and may never turn a profit. So, what's the point in paying for the app?

By paying for the app, you're merely donating to FUTO. As Rossmann mentioned in his video, it is completely optional to pay.

There's nothing wrong with any app being unprofitable IMO. Public transport and car infrastructure is unprofitable and we don't have a problem with those... heck even my personal website is unprofitable, that's about $200-300 a year being funnelled into something nobody uses or visits.

Rossmann has a millionaire backing up his repair business

This is incorrect

Rossmann's personal repair business is financially independent from his employer, FUTO, who only partially sponsors Rossmann's R2R advocacy with the assistance of community donations. Rossmann frequently publishes hour long videos on his main channel crawling through the finances, and has spreadsheets online for public viewing where viewers can do an audit themselves

So, is some of this being funded by that person and other investors of FUTO or is our money the only thing keeping this afloat

AFAICT, FUTO is comparable to organisations like NLNET - the same people at sponsor the Lemmy devs. The aim is generally not to fund projects forever, but to eventually open source them after they've been developed to the agreed level of functionality. Seeing as this app is mainly a Rossmann initiative there could be an exception here though - such as Rossmann donating his own money towards development.

The app is niche and I can't see too many people paying for a license

I'm probably an exception then lol

I also can't see too many workers staying unless they are passionate. Something isn't adding up unless I'm wrong.

A lot of people who follow Rossmann are passionate about R2R, actually owning what you pay for, and not giving excessive control to monopolies like Google.

Grayjay is more along the lines of this spirit, and as soon as they have their DHT video hosting thing ready I'll gladly donate some of my storage space towards it 👌

There are plenty of projects that take donations/payments that don't make profit but stay afloat, normally through the team behind it paying the bills. I guess it depends what the running costs actually are, and if it's for people or e.g. servers.

Rossmann has a millionaire backing up his repair business

Billionaire, actually.

So, is some of this being funded by that person and other investors of FUTO or is our money the only thing keeping this afloat?

The billionaire (Eron Wulf) is also the founder of FUTO. They don't have investors.

Rossmann has a millionaire backing up his repair business among other things.

Why does everybody seem to know all of this dirt about Louis except me? I've seen this "be suspicious of anything Rossman is involved in" comment a few times in the past few days. I'm out of the loop.

Thank you so much for this suggestion. It's really a great step towards the end of tedious voice messages. Works great but is a bit slow when using the multilang voice model. I don't mind.

What is this Matrix you are talking about?

Not optimal, but using Waydroid on Linux, Android apps feel almost like they run natively (no need to start a emulator manually).

There are no ad blocking YouTube apps on iOS so I suspect Apple blocks them. The DMA will soon let us in the EU install whatever we like, but fuck Apple.

Gotta start somewhere.

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Publishing on iOS creates a whole plethora of hurdles because everything you install has to first be approved by Apple. This is an Apple problem. The founder of the company has said he doesn't like developing for iOS for this reason.

True, but with the ability to combine all competitors in a single feed a significant hurdle has been removed

that's literally the whole point of this?

the point of this is a new youtube is unlikely to take off because people can't start using it without missing all their regular content.

this means you can keep all your regular content and add new sources, with the same creators, which means they can start to move to new platforms and take their followers. that's how we'll replace youtube.

He talked about saving videos from being deleted when you lose one of your accounts, so it's in the works

There are several "new YouTube"s. The problem is getting people to transition to them. And this is intended to do exactly that.

What's Piped?

It needs YouTube to fall first, no one has that kind of money to operate at such a loss for such a long time.

Platforms with a serious offering have no chance until that.

That's basically what it is

https://xkcd.com/927/

No. At least not yet

I don't think so

Not as far as I can see but it is in alpha

what's DeArrow?

Dearrow is so nice, fuck them clickbaits.

With how locked down mobile is compared to desktop I think it's a good thing to start with mobile

I've always wondered if people like you existed! Fascinating.

Not criticizing you, just personally I don't want any recommendation algos in any of my media.

It also has that. You can login with google

You don't even need to subscribe and get recommendations

I was pleasantly surprised to see that it still carries that over! My Home feed (not subscriptions) has plenty of videos from channels I'm not subscribed to

Libretube is sweet. Just starting to utilize the download option: awesome.

I use yt-dlp for my desktop, libre does that for Android. =Happy

Interested in the multi-platform of this new app. Will have to take it for a spin.

If you're trying through the app store I would suggest the website, it has a few different options including non ARM device architecture!

This was my issue as well, I didn't see the option to select unfortunately.

I have found three comments from you, where you insert yourself as an expert on what Open Source is/not is. Although you do link to some sources, you do so without arguing your point. IMO this is not a constructive way of communication. Since I believe your perspective is purist but overall not too helpful, I will go through the trouble an actually argue the point:

Your problem is following sentence published by the OSI: "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources." Which FUTO does - they won't allow you to put ads on top of their software and distribute it. But I hope that you would agree with me that GNU GPL is an Open Source License. However, they do have a copyleft which practically makes selling software impossible. If you use a library which uses the GPL, you have to make your sources available - which makes selling a compiled version a difficult task...

If we look at Wikipedia, we see following sentence: "Generally, open source refers to a computer program in which the source code is available to the general public for use or modification from its original design.", Grayjay fulfils this. Wikipedia continues: "{...}. Depending on the license terms, others may then download, modify, and publish their version {...}", you are allowed to download and modify Grayjay. They do not allow you to commercially distribute your modifications, which is a license term.

Lets look at a big OSS company. Red Hat writes: "An open source development model is the process used by an open source community project to develop open source software. The software is then released under an open source license, so anyone can view or modify the source code." These criteria are fulfilled by the FUTO TEMPORARY LICENSE (Last updated 7 June 2023). Red Hat does not mention the right to redistribute anywhere I could find it.

To those who actually read up to this point: I hope you find this helpful to form your own opinion based on your own research.

The source is freely available, but it does not fit the common definition of open source. Namely, you're not allowed to redistribute with tracking, malware, or adds. I guess this has been a problem with piped?

It is not free software but it is open source. Stop gatekeeping the term. I can look at the code and modify it to my hearts content. I can also watch as the project is being developed. That means it's open source. It would be free software if you where also allowed to redistribute it but I can fully see why they do not want that

https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/LICENSE: FUTO TEMPORARY LICENSE It seems like it's more CC non-commercial and not truly libre but I can understand why someone would say open source.

This whole discussion is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It depends completely on how you define open source, and there is no single universally agreed upon definition. Per this article, there are over 80 variations of open source licenses all with different term and conditions. Some are more permissive, some less so. Yet they can all be considered a variation of open source, though I'm anticipating you wouldn't agree? For this particular app, there are some restrictions in place aimed to protect users from malicious forks. IMO this is a good thing. I can't understand why you are acting like the definition police here, it seems very pedantic tbh.

Many software buyers – even new developers – misunderstand the term “open source” to mean the software is available to use, copy, modify, and distribute as desired. This misunderstanding may arise from confusing open source with public domain or shareware, both of which are free to use and modify without specific permissions or licensing.

The truth is that, for the most part, open-source software is covered by one of several types of open source licenses and is not necessarily free of charge either.

In contrast to proprietary software where vendors typically make it impossible to access, copy or modify the source code, open source code permits the use, reuse, sharing, modification, and distribution of the code in other programs or applications. But just as with proprietary software licensing, open source software is subject to various legal terms and restrictions, depending on the type of open source license in force.

Oh go on you absolute fucking blowhard. Go print out a copy of osi and jerk off in your closet and leave the rest if us functional adults alone.

You can import YouTube subscriptions by clicking on the Sources tab and then tapping on the YouTube source (says tap to open in small print). You can then sign in and after that you'll have import subscriptions as well as import playlists buttons.

If you open your subscriptions JSON, it will just open in the app and start loading your subs.

Oh SHIT this is the first time I'm being made aware of that.

Then just... don't use those platforms? If you're so afraid they'll convert you.

Waitwhaaat?

I, uh - honestly wasn't aware of it - I mentioned examples that I was somewhat aware/familiar with...

It honestly didn't cross my mind with the nazi shit 💀💀