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the us is an authoritarian state
the us is an authoritarian state
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I didn't make it in the screenshot 😔
I also got banned for that LMFAO
I didn't even say anything about the 'strawman' I just said that "ban you for speaking too loudly" was bad
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"We're good and you're bad"
Holy shit lmao you can't write irony this good.
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I’ve always been weary of that community. It had some tankie mod vibes.
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I find that that's usually the case for most people. The part of the school system that was responsible for teaching them critical thinking skills really failed them. It's also why people try to dumb down politics into one of two sides, it's why our government will always inevitably fail. This guy is using the authoritarian label because that's as far as his understanding of politics go. The US is an oligarchy, the US is imperialist, the US is nepotistic, but it is not authoritarian, yet.
Having said that, there are groups certainly interested in claiming that so that the authoritarian label means less for other nations, the sort of nations they want to defend. Given the submissions in that "community", I would say this is the case here. People who really are against authoritarians and who might believe the US to be wouldn't go and whitewash other authoritarian states. This community is a manifestation of whataboutism propaganda IMO.
The US deserves criticism, but if you really want to make it, I would encourage avoiding places with an underlying agenda like this one. In case you disagree with me, you can test it out easily for yourself, just post there and compare the US to other countries you would consider de facto authoritarian states, and see which countries they have a problem with you bringing up for comparison.
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The US is authoritarian in the form of inverted totalitarianism.
We don’t live under the dictatorship of the US government as would be traditional authoritarianism, we live under the dictatorship of capital which effectively owns the US government and controls the population by force.
You shouldn’t of gotten banned for that but at the same time mods have the right to protect their communities from people who argue in bad faith and given this is the internet it’s safe to assume bad faith. (Even if you weren’t)
Edit: it’s interesting that myself and a bunch of other queers have a very different opinion on what authoritarianism looks like compared to the average (straight male). I bet our life experience has nothing to do with it and we’re all just over sensitive whiners 🙄
Edit 2: I fucking hate liberals. Bunch a brainwashed la la land dwellers. China bad! USA good! 🦅🦅🦅�_ (nobody mentioned China but glad it lives rent free in your head)
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That mod has been removed. Send me a link to the comment that got you banned and I will remove your ban.
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To be fair, he didnt say he was against authoritariamism.
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Is communism even possible without authoritarianism?
Edit: lol I pissed off the tankies
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Yes. Communism was never meant to be authoritarian anyway, it's a classless, moneyless, stateless society. Only some people don't believe in the stateless part.
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Yes.
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Not in the worlds current state. Communism is what comes after the worlds problems are already solved, regardless of what people on here think, its not happening any time soon.
More social policies are needed but these guys messaging is so bad and off it refuses to look introspectively they end up sounding like trumpers
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You're not wrong though. While it might be possible to do in theory people are not that nice or kind, you'll never get everyone to share what they have and not own or try to possess things without an authoritarian government forcing it. Maybe in a more ideal world you could achieve it but that's not the world we live in.
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It's not possible with authoritarianism either :)
Unless you count the version everybody insists on calling "social democracy" nowadays. That one can be done.
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Seems like all comments here are "whatabout communism"
US being an authoritarian shithole is pretty undisputable reality. It could be preferable to debate the point than outright banning the possibly misinformed, but the assumption of military bot troll propagandist is not unreasonable.
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You and I disagree, so it’s obvious you’re just a Kremlin bot account, here to sow discontent.
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Not really sure how you came to that conclusion, we definitely have our problems, we aren't perfect, but we definitely aren't an authoritarian state either
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We have an Israel first rulership. Every politician pledges allegiance to Israel. Tik Tok ban is because it is not zionist media, and the theory that young people are opposed to genocide is because they use tik tok, even through IDF gloating videos promoting their attrocities are on Twitter too, as are muslim disapprovals of genocide.
You have zero freedom/power to stop your theft of war support of Israel or against Russia, Canada, Greenland, Panama or Europe. Or stopping your nuclear incineration. Citizen's united means only rich people speech counts. Congressional bills in congress will outlaw criticism of zionism/Israel. That you are currently permitted to have sex with people you choose is against the Christofascist agenda that will be pandered to in next 2-4 years. But it is the predetermination of democratic outcomes for the most favourable to Israel, war, oil, and the extreme corruption of by the oligarchy for the oligarchy rule, that makes the US more authoritarian than governments that simply contains divisive distractions, while defending and advancing the country's needs. "Democracy and Freedom" is complete BS used to warmonger those accused of being less liberal than apartheid ethnostate Israel.
You+state approved media have the freedom to say US is not authoritarian, while I'm still allowed to explain reality. But neither of our opinions has any relevance whatsoever on our oppression.
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Plot twist: The mod is from US and just proving their point.
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PTB stinking hypocrisy from a distance.
Counterpoint. It’s not a strawman. The US is is an authoritarian state. If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you. also Why are you here?
Strawman wasn't enough, was it? There's an implicit false dichotomy here, between accepting the idiotic reasoning and the conclusion or rejecting both (thus the user not belonging to the sub).
EDIT: to be clear. I won't talk if USA is/isn't authoritarian, that is not my point. My point is that the mod in question is clearly being irrational, and hell breaks loose once you put irrational people on power. I also don't think that he should be removing users for not agreeing with the premise of the sub.
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Is it a mock-up of Trump being a general dipshit, getting things wrong, then aggressively doubling down on those things when people say anything.
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I get the ironic angle of the mod being "authoritarian" but that's their space and if they decide they don't want to deal with trolls arguing about they can ban people.
Just like trans communities can and should ban people who just want to argue about if trans people are real. If you try to argue against it you're just being a dick and distracting from the point of the community.
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How was OP trolling? They simply called out the strawman in the OOP
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They're getting reamed out in the comments, which is great to see.
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take that shouldn’t be hot: except for in very small communities, mods should not do moderation on their own posts’ comment section, especially when they are the type to be super defensive and invested in their posts’ success. this is the case with those like jordanlund, flyingsquid and the PTB here.
in other words, !usauthoritarianism@lemmy.world has two mods. if mod A makes a participatory (non-pinned/PSA) post, mod B should be the one that handles violations in that posts’ comments. especially if mod A is a frequent commenter and gets into arguments easily.
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PTB. They have the 'right' to trim their own community according to such ideas as "If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you", but it doesn't make it any less stupid or power-tripping.
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fascist attempts to spread liberal fascist US state dept propaganda that has been debunked thousands of times over
cries about muh freeze peach when told to stop spreading misinformation
Yeah go back to .world, bud
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...this screenshot is from lemmy.world.
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Go easy on them, ml users aren't known for their observation skills.
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the us is authoritarian (which is bad)
I'm not authoritarian (which is good)
if you disagree, we'll ban you
let me guess... your logic was made in china too, damn tankie
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That doesn't sound very patriotic? Dont you know 'Merica is the freest country in the world. You're free to have your labor value exploited and your tax dollars sent of to forign genocidal regimes, if you disagree you're free to go to prison for protesting and be used as free labor.
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The US is an authoritarian state
Not yet.
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Always has been.
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Daddy uses lube tho
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The place is filled with plenty of examples of US authoritarianism. Consider lurking before posting OP.
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Why would it be considered authoritarian to state that you wont rule out military use to rule over the Panama Canal or ban medical procedures decided between doctors and patients?
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never said the us wasn't authoritarian, I was just making fun of the ptb
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100% YDI, there's no power tripping for moderator to kick someone out for useless flaming or trolling, it's one of their duties.
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Where is OP trolling?
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Tolerant for the intolerant smth smth
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YDI BPR
Clearly it’s not a place to try and defend America. The mod is probably a tankie dick, but you’re the one who went into their space.
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Clearly it’s not a place to try and defend America. The mod is probably a tankie dick, but you’re the one who went into their space.
OP is not even defending (or accusing) USA in that thread. Their only comment there is
The US is is an authoritarian state.
\ If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you.
\ lmaoThey're only highlighting the mod's hypocrisy. Everything else is assumption.
And the deal applies to the user that the mod is screeching at:
That couldn’t be more of a strawman even if he was with a lion, a Kansas girl and a tin man on a yellow brick road
Even if you agree that USA is authoritarian (IDK if the user in question does), the argument in the OOP is bloody idiotic, it's on the same level as "2+2=7 lol thus whales don't fly lmao". And it is a strawman because it mischaracterises why people say that China is authoritarian.
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What does YDI BPR mean?
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You Deserve It and Bait Provoked Reaction.
They are explained in the community sidebar:
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless mod: The mod probably just doesn’t understand how their software works.
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