Ask the Kamala voters in your life

So a vote for X is effectively a vote for R.

No it isn't! No it fucking isn't! There is no scenario where not voting for Trump is voting for Trump. This is the stupidest fucking thing the liberals have latched on to and keep repeating and it's truly an embarrassment that so many people repeat it. The only way to vote for Trump is to vote for Trump. Not voting isn't a vote of any kind. Voting for third parties is voting for third parties. You can pretend to do a logic puzzle where not voting for Trump means you're voting for Trump, but you're still a fucking clown for doing it and nobody with any sense is going to take your imaginary logic puzzle with anything but pity for you.

Can you quantify that in dead Palestinian babies?

even if everything you said were true, the reality is we are out of time for "slow, incremental" change. the climate crisis is here and has been for a while. your way won't work.

There is already a uniparty - the corporate party. Neolibs and Neocons united decades ago to pull the long con in America, and it worked beautifully. Gradual incrementalism isn’t going to get us out of this mess brother - it’s what got us here in the first place.

I'm going to exercise restraint right now and curb my gut reaction to beat you to death with a tire iron.

Please read the fucking room.

We do not accept this electoral process as legitimate democracy and refuse to participate in a system that perpetuates and is built on genocide both at home and abroad.

We cannot vote our way out of this so sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, maybe lurk a bit and listen to people here.

If you motherfuckers keep trying to convince us to vote for Klanmala we will eventually ban you because it's very tiresome and displays your fundamental lack of understanding of how politics, capitalism, and imperialism work. If you want to participate, you need to start acting like a student and not a reactionary teacher.

You guys really don't get that your voting system only leads to two parties.

Goddammit I wish you brick headed libs would have some fucking humility. "URGH DONT YOU GUYS REALISE [the most common thing we all get spit into our faces all the time] HURH BET YA DIDNT THINK OF THAT HUH?"
Consider the following: you dont know what the fuck you're talking about. Consider the fact that we, just like you, have also heard these talking points as they get served to our head and ass every election season. Unlike you we possess critical thinking skills above that of a parrot, a memory that is better than that of a goldfish, and are slightly more curious than an adolescent ape. This leads to us doing slightly more than reading the headline of the most up voted thing on Reddit for the day, and grants us just a tiny bit deeper understanding of the system and the many flaws with it. Also fuck your mother for giving birth to an idiot like you.

As soon as one of those parties splits up, the other one will literally always win, that's just a mathematical reality.

I love presenting my own half-assed analysis based on an uncountable number of assumptions as "mathematical reality"

You've been doing this rhetoric for over half a century and all it has brought you is genocide, climate change denial (doing fuck all is the same as denying it), deportations en masse and a fascist police state.

You really don't get it, but constantly voting for the "lesser evil" doesn't do anything other than make it more evil.

This is incredibly slow, but slow is how our society changes. Even the French revolution didn't just suddenly happen.

So first of all you show you do understand that people plan further than just the current election, yet you fail to comprehend the concept as it applies to the US. "UOHHHH PSL WOULDNT WIN SO WHY VOTE FOR THEM? THESE THINGS TAKE TIME DONCHA KNOW GUYS" yeah why work towards incrementally making another party popular when you can make it clear to those in charge that they can away with genocide instead.

Secondly: Tell me you know nothing about the french revolution without telling me. It did come very suddenly, that's one of the main things about it dumbfuck. It wasn't the result of centuries of agitation, it was the very present result of the conditions at that moment in France, not decades or centuries of work. The politics themselves developed along with the revolution, people didn't even conceive of killing the king until... Well until after it happened.
You think people in medieval times thought the king was good? The nobles would host tournaments on random plots of land, typically containing one or more villages that they'd just fuck up. Just ride thru and pillage and completely destroy. People would get their winter depots ransacked by the nobles as they passed thru with a small army. They were practically slaves for most of the time and essentially slaves the rest of the time. You think these people didn't fucking hate the monarchy? You think it took centuries of enlightened dickheads like you to go around and dare ask wild questions like "hey have you considered not giving three quarters of your grain to your liege lord? Have you considered the fact that your liege lord shouldn't be allowed to just put you in the pillock because he's bored?"
You should be ashamed for thinking the world functions as you think it does.

The real change is people gaining more knowledge, gaining a better understanding of reality, themselves.

Incredible take to have come from someone as dumb as you. Pull your head out of the toilet and read a book please. I dunno, start with settlers. I'd tell you to read some Lenin but we both know that would just lead to the immediate regurgitation of more trite drivel from you as we once again have to pretend like you have any novel insights.
In conclusion: Just say you don't give a shit about genocide. Just say you're supportive of genocide as long as you feel safe. Just admit you don't give a fuck about brown people, instead of having us got thru this whole charade. At least the republicans have the decency not to pretend to care. Finally .fuck whoever donated the sperm that assisted in the creation of you.

Edit: Either the anti-genocide bloc has enough sway to make one of the candidates change position or we don't matter enough and thus it doesn't matter wether we vote or not. The circular "you have to vote for her or she loses! No you aren't enough to make demands!" Is as asinine as it is obvious - Well obvious to anyone who is capable of even the most miniscule piece of investigation about the ideology they're mired in every day.

Double edit: Just realised you never answered the question. How many?

Nice of you to stop by and offer us some unprompted advice that we've totally never heard before.

The real change is people gaining more knowledge, gaining a better understanding of reality, themselves.

baby-brained historical idealism. material conditions are the primary driver of history

You guys really don't get that your voting system only leads to two parties.

We do though. We're just saying that the system can go fuck itself. And you too.

You guys really don't get that your voting system only leads to two parties. As soon as one of those parties splits up, the other one will literally always win, that's just a mathematical reality

That is why electoralism won't save us, yes.

This is incredibly slow, but slow is how our society changes

Comrade Lenin himself said in 1915 that he didn't expect the revolution to happen in his lifetime. Revolutionary change isn't gradual, it happens in months.

political change is fast as fuck actually

We get that genocide is happening, and we're don't support it. You're obviously fine with it

Thanks for the babies-first-civics lesson.

Please leave your democratic seal of approval for more dead children in your local ballot box, rather than regurgitating it especially for us.

You people simply don't understand First Past the Post

Fuck off literally every person here knows more than you do you absolute fucking clown.

Even the French revolution didn't just suddenly happen, hundreds of years of starting to understand how terrible monarchy was and building the knowledge of alternate systems among the general populace was required.

actually it was because the peasants didn't have any food and got Fed Up With Things

"On one hand genocide. On the other hand Harris might actually get the border wall finished."

So you are fine giving active support for genocide for 'slightly less terrible'. To me it's like saying 'I am dying of thirst in the desert and I prefer the night because it is cooler and I will die slower.' The end is the same.

lmao I mean this in the nicest way, how old are you? Cause this is some brain-dead eight grade civics class shit I would've written at 14

The only realistic way for change is for the slightly better party of the two to always win, which would make R die out

Let's take this part as a lesson in poor critical reasoning, your argument is a complete political non-sequitur; if the dems won every election that wouldn't lead to republicans or American conservatives dying out, they'd either institute a coup thru the supreme court to regain electoral advantages or reconstitute inside the Democratic Party which means the two political system becomes a one party factional system

The problem with your conception of politics is that frankly you clearly take the propaganda of American civil religion at face value, while simultaneously selectively ignoring the real world political sympathies of the DNC leadership and elites which are bipartisan and republican friendly

Also this should already be blatantly obvious to you, but it doesn't take hundreds of years for people to oppose genocide, they oppose it now and the fascism that creates that genocide isn't going to wait for your turtle ass conception of society before it spreads it's genocidal intent to other parts of the globe or to YOU closer at home, so get a fuckin grip

The only realistic way for change is for the slightly better party of the two to always win, which would ****make R die out. ****

I've been told this was gonna happen since I was 14 this was gonna happen any year now, it's been almost 20 years.

I think there's only one way the Rs are dying out in this settler colony shithole

Even the French revolution didn't just suddenly happen, hundreds of years of starting to understand how terrible monarchy was and building the knowledge of alternate systems among the general populace was required. The real change is people gaining more knowledge, gaining a better understanding of reality, themselves.

Maybe take some time away from math to learn about history and revolution. YOU don't really get it. The French revolution definitely wasn't people slowly learning that Monarchy is bad over hundreds of years. The Monarchy didn't have power because people didn't know better. Monarchies existed on purpose and they were maintained against the will of the lower class. They knew it was bad. The labor knew it was bad immediately. The society at whole didn't care that it was bad because it either didn't affect them or they benefited from it.

Shut the fuck up you disgusting genocidal piece of shit

Listen to this song if you want to try to begin understanding how much I fucking hate you, really pay attention to the last few lines of lyrics