At least we kept bLuEmAGa from being in power! That would have been MUCH worse!/s

I was also on the side of vote for Kamala fix it after because with Trump fixing is impossible with Kamala maybe. But whenever I see stuff like
45 Democrats Vote With GOP to Pass Bill Sanctioning ICC Over Netanyahu Warrant
Senate Overwhelmingly Rejects Sanders Resolutions to Block Arms Sales to Israel
it makes me doubt how feasible this approach would be too. Sure Kamala is factors of magnitude better than Trump for the USA, for Ukraine, for LGBTQ people, for women etc. But I can understand a US citizen with roots in the middle east etc not voting for Democrats after seeing disgusting stuff like this.
- "PATRIOT Act" passed Senate 98 to 1. Partisanship is for complete morons.
- 45 out of 215 Democrats voted for that or around 21% vs 90% of Republicans. This means that the crazy option is wildly unpopular and would never pass under a democrat. I'm not seeing the problem here.
  
  45 out of 215 Democrats voted for that or around 21% vs 90% of Republicans.
  21% of Democratic voters voting for Republican candidates would be completely unacceptable. Why is it ok for 21% of our representatives to vote for genocide?
  Oh right. It's ok when it's the only thing centrists actually want.
- 45 democrats didn’t vote the way you want? And how many republicans didn’t? Are you really saying both sides are the same?
  
  No they are not but I am convinced that about 2/3 of the democrats don't give a shit about the party they are a member of nor its voters. If their only opportunity was to be a republican candidate they would jump at that opportunity without any internal moral conflicts. And I understand how frustrating it must be when a majority of a party that you are told to vote for has no moral issues with bombing a country where your relatives live to the ground.
  
  two different wings of the same shitbird…

Missed the point again award. If people want to vote for conservatives, they're going to vote for conservatives, not conservatives lite. If people want to vote for leftists, they're going to vote third party, vote for the dipshit threatening to tear it all down, or stay home, not vote for conservatives lite. If you'd take a few seconds to really use your noggin, you'd understand that people are fucking drowning and desperate for a change. Not "lol the guys at the Goldman Sachs fundraiser said we should think about a 1% COLA for social security", I'm talking burn the house down and start over change. There's a reason why there's the phenomenon of the Obama-Bernie-Trump voter or Bernie-Trump voter. It's not the sexism, it's the promise of change. Obama failed to deliver, and Bernie didn't happen, which just leaves us with that fucking guy. The democrats miscalculated twice and thought that voters surely wouldn't vote for that fucking guy over their promise of change so mild that even fox news would get bored. It's not the voter's fault that the democrats failed to put forward a good platform. To the Democratic party and the people towing this line, I say: voters don't owe you victory. In fact, voters don't owe you a goddamn thing. Stop blaming them and get your shit together or get out of the way.
- When Democrats move to the right in order to capture conservative votes, conservatives don't believe they're sincere. But the left does.
- Probably still would've been less bad if people voted for the lesser of two evils though
  
  Maybe. There's an argument for accelerationism. I'm not convinced of it yet, but clearly the system has entrenched interests that benefit from things being awful for everyone else, and the majority power in the Democratic party has showed that it's all too willing to roll up its sleeves and make minor adjustments. Most folks don't have 3000 years to wait for the democrats to finally adjust things to where they need to be, and in the case of climate change, we certainly don't have that time. Yes, pushing the system to collapse is going to be fucking awful, but I actually wonder if the net suffering will be less than waiting however long it takes for the lesser evil to turn good.
  
  Just a different kind of evil. Not lesser.
  
  Temporarily yes. Perhaps not in the long run, though. Sometimes you have to go through some pain to cure the disease.
- I don’t even want the democrats to get their shit together. I want them to get the fuck out of the way. That party needs to go the way of the fucking whigs.
- The AOC+Trump voters would also fall into that category
- Very fucking right. It's toe the line though if you're interested in improving things in a very small way.
  
  I've heard that before, but tow the line, as in to pull something by a tether, makes contextual sense to me. Folks are doing work trying to carry that argument.
- Yes to all of this. Neolibs in this thread are really pressed.

At least centrists didn't have to move left.
- Yes, they got to maintain their rightwing purity.
- This is like being smug because you let the dog shit inside to make a point about how you never wanted a dog in the first place.
  At least your purity is intact, and that's what matters most.
  
  Nobody let a dog shit anywhere. Trump gained like 3 million votes compared to last time, and Harris/Biden lost like 6 million. You want to blame someone, blame the 77 million openly fascist voters, not the < 1 million third party voters who didn't make up a sixth of the difference that your genocidal candidate lost by. The fact that you want to go online and pontificate about how the real activists cost the election, when they didn't, just shows that for you this is all about your ego and has nothing to do with justice or making a better world. You can't even take responsibility for the absolute monster you did vote for. You can't even get the facts of the situation straight, that's how much you really care.

Bruh that's crazy about that dude's virginity
- I'm so confused, why is that there.
  
  I'm actually less concerned with the OP but more with how George Takei feels the need to double down on it
- I think it's a reference about how fucked we are about to be. Like Madonna sang... like a virgin.
  
  I think if it's growing back that's a sign of very little fucking going on. And I'm not sure which Madonna song you're referring to, but if it's American Pie by Don McLean, that song is about the plane crash that killed Buddy Holly.

I mean you guys elected that asshole..

Privatized gains, socialized losses except instead of losing money, your daughters die of a miscarriage in the waiting rooms of hospitals

ignores voters
loses election
"heh, stupid voters"

For a second I thought I saw my name and was confused what this had to do with me :-D

I'm glad we have a sexual assaulter to tell us how it is.

BlueMAGA is literally Russian propaganda. Anyone who uses the term unironically is a troll.
- Liz Cheney
  
  Neither blue or MAGA tbh
  
  Didn't realize Liz Cheney called herself a democrat
- I use it unironically and just think you're an idiot.
  
  inb4 comment removed!

If Trump is a conman, rapist, fascist, etc. & Democrats still lost to him, says a lot about how shitty & out of touch Democrats have been, maybe you should focus on that?
- Or it shows that when you are truly awful, racist, homophobic, transphobic, idiots, your children move away from you to the cities where they don't have to talk or interact with you, which concentrates the intelligent and worthwhile portion of the population into blue centers that aren't evenly distributed across the electoral college?
  
  Which is generally true, but he also won the popular vote. That's an indication that being awful is less important to most voters than being entertaining. The lesson I see here is Dems need to focus more on engaging rhetoric than silly trivialities like "competence" and "beneficial policy"
  
  So this feels personal to you and I'm sorry you have issues with your family. It sucks but they are not everyone.
- DNC is stuffed by imbeciles who sold out. They are not here to win elections, they are here to make sure that democrats never shill anything pro pedon class.
- Nothing the Democrats did mattered because the truth didn't matter. Propaganda, lies, and foreign interference lost the election.
  
  I'm pretty sure one major reason Trump won is that he wasn't in prison. Which is fucking weird since he tried to overthrow the country!
  And Democrats lost because no one wanted to vote for them.
  
  It seems this one did matter:
  Asked whether there is anything she would have done differently than Biden over the past four years, Harris demurred.
  “There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of — and I’ve been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact,” she said, going on to talk about the administration’s work capping the cost of insulin at $35 for Medicare recipients.
  She appeared to backtrack on that answer later in the show.
  “You asked me what is the difference between Joe Biden and me — that will be one of the differences. I’m going to have a Republican in my Cabinet,”
  https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/08/harris-biden-the-view-00182883
  
  The Democrats lost. And deserved to
  
  Nothing the Democrats did mattered
  So what we saw was what Democrats did when nothing mattered? When there were no boundaries? They supported genocide. They adopted Republican border policy. They ran anti-trans hate in their own ads. They cozied up to Dick Cheney. They showed us what they really are.

bLuEmAGa were the ones who skipped an election

More brilliant political analysts who still haven't managed to figure out the reason both parties near-unanimously support genocide. Have a downvote, on me.
Also, Dems lost, what was it, 10x as many votes as people who voted third party?
And notice where your outrage is actually directed here. Not at the people who actually VOTED for Trump. It's at the people who refused to compromise their morals AT ALL, unlike you all, who completely compromised your morals in a failing bid to elect Mrs. "Genocide With A Facelift".
Fuck Republicans, fuck Democrats. That moral superiority you so desperately want to claim, does not exist. You are the problem. You are the driving force behind the empire. You are responsible for their deaths. Take your attempt to blame actual activists and people actually struggling to make the world a better place, and shove it right up your ass.
- You got the downvotes but not from me! Fuck these people. They’re so fucking dumb it’s painful.
- This logic always leads to trump.
  Funny how the fuck both parties ppl always end up supporting trump / gop
  
  No, it doesn't. It is literally a rejection of both Trump and Biden/Harris. And if you had bothered to read my message carefully you'd have noticed:
  Also, Dems lost, what was it, 10x as many votes as people who voted third party?
  That I explicitly pointed out that no, in fact, people voting third party did not even make up the difference Dems lost in votes (or lost the election by).
  
  Then run somebody people want to vote for instead of someone who’s slightly less despicable than the opposition.
- Fuck the Republicans and fuck the Democrats, sure. But voting is about politics, not making a personal moral statement. That kind of thinking is dumb as fuck and would have been self defeating in every election since George Washington. Politics is always about compromise, and compromise about issues that matter is always a punch in the gut. Effective activism is about winning what you can, taking the hits, and showing up to do it again and again.
  Voters who had a choice between two candidates that both support a genocide are not responsible for that genocide. I know a few things about moral reasoning, and no moral system I'm aware of would ever come to such an insane conclusion.
  
  That kind of thinking is dumb as fuck
  Your tired analysis fails to take into account the voting behavior of the ENTIRE POPULATION. You myopically focus on a prefabricated two choices available to each individual in the society, assuming the rest of the society is a GIVEN, and then it follows from that faulty premise that one of those two choices is strategic. But you fail to take into account that the entire society is free to vote for anyone. The fact that they can demonstrates the simple fact that IT'S A BAD IDEA TO VOTE FOR A BAD CANDIDATE.
  
  Politics is always about compromise, and compromise about issues that matter is always a punch in the gut.
  When was the last time Republicans compromised leftward in any meaningful way?
- I hope you're happy with the Trump administration you helped elect. If you end up in a camp, you can impress everyone with your moral purity
  
  Oh look it’s a mask off liberal
  
  You are the one here who's concerned with imaginary moral purity. I am the one concerned with the actual consequences of this system. I will not take lessons in morality from somebody on the wrong side of a genocide.
  
  If you end up in a camp, you can impress everyone with your moral purity
  No one's going to trust centrists with their escape plans.
- I agree with everything you wrote except having a problem with happenings in Gaza. Israel isn’t being aggressive enough
  
  Well, that is disgusting and shows the gaping hole where your conscience is supposed to be.

It's really cute watching all the Neolibs pretend like their conservative policies attract the leftists they need to win elections.
Sucking up to a demographic of old white conservative men was not a winning strategy for the Democratic party.

I have two fists

Won't be 4 years.
- Right, this is definitely going to be a life sentence.

Are you implying this doesn't have an effect on THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD???
- No, but at least you guys have your own (hopefully) functioning independent governments to at least try to blunt some of the damage/issues or come together with each other
  The best we got are the state governments, but what they can do is... limited
  
  Honestly, I'm afraid of the upcoming election in my country as well. Trump is a symptom of a global phenomenon

Tankies and their fucking accelerationism.
- Capitalists and their fucking accelerationism.
  
  Why not both?
- If they're too insignificant to listen to, they're too insignificant to blame.