How you y'all feel about 196?

Very unhappy with the change, I probably won't go to the .world community and expect/hope that someone will just recreate 196 on Blåhaj.

Every interaction I've had with .world mods has rubbed me the wrong way, they don't take criticism well and are way to keen to appeal to centrist bullshit and shitty lib takes. Blåhaj is my favourite space on the internet at the moment because of the way Ada manages things, I feel safe here. That the 196 mods have a problem with that sends a pretty concerning message imo.

big sad feels ;(

i will not join the 196 on the not blahaj zone! GRRRR >:3

i wan the 196 to be all local and comfy. i wan it to feel like home, with all u cuties and non-cuties-but-still-amazing-peeps in it!

i don wan the 196 to be on generic world instance. will join if there be a local 196 blahaj version!

imagine the COMFY FEELS knowing that U PEEPS made the funi im looking at!! <3

It makes me so sad, and the bottom image is an accurate representation of how I feel about it. It sucks that they made this decision without involving the community at all, and even though they say they're on good terms with Ada, some of the comment chains in the announcement post make me think that there's some bitterness on the mods' part. Ada has always been so nice and patient, even when 196 clogged up Blahaj's entire frontpage, or when it didn't have enough mods to handle a growing community. And if the mods don't like how an instance is run, what gives them the right to just take the entire community and move it somewhere else?

I came to Lemmy when Reddit committed to their API nonsense, and it always had this promise of being better than Reddit. Decentralisation was a big part of that promise. Moving 196 to the largest (I think?) Lemmy instance is the opposite of that. Blahaj feels small, local, cosy, and welcoming, like small concerts in some guy's basement. 196 always had the same vibes, and the move to .world will probably change that. That scares me because I really liked these vibes.

idk, I'm just rambling and none of it makes a whole lot of sense. I think I'll take a break for a few days, wait for whatever is gonna happen next, check out the new 196 on .world in a while, and maybe the old 196 is gonna come back somehow.

i left .world because of their shitty admins and the problems they cause smaller instances. the moderation leaves much to be desired, they have shitty takes, they do whatever they feel like and i dont trust them any more than i trust a site like reddit.

as for 196, i liked the memes, i didnt really interact with the space much as it already felt less "blahaj zone" than the rest of the comms i interact with, so with them moving to .world, i doubt it will get better, and i doubt i will ever want to interact with that comm anymore. it was kinda shitty to not include the community whatsoever, but that kind of behavior is the exact kind i expect from .world mods so i guess they will fit right in.

Something about 196 being on a non-queer instance feels wrong. I can't explain it. Maybe it's because there are a lot of queer-positive posts on 196? Not sure. Meh, whatever. I think I have a vague idea of why they're moving away and quite honestly, if they want to bend to people wanting to stir shit, then maybe we're better off without them.

(Iirc the gist of it is that there was a troll who claimed to be "dragon gender" or something (which included that drag's pronouns were "drag"). Drag said a lot of nasty shit, stirred up drama, etc. People decided that was a good excuse to misgender drag and become the arbiters of what a "proper gender" is. People misgendering drag got banned, then got pissy and cried about it. In the meantime, drag was also banned at that point, it was mainly people stirring shit at that point. I'm pretty sure 196 is moving away from blähaj.zone because afaik Ada takes a zero tolerance stance on intentionally misgendering people; regardless of whether or not someone's a troll.)

Quite honestly I'm kinda at the point where I'm considering quitting Lemmy entirely. Between the drama, doomposting, trolls and increase in general dickishness, it's honestly getting really bad for my mental health.

I blocked the .world 196 community, safe to say I'm not a fan 🤷‍♀️

This is where I hear about the move? 😂 guess I’ll miss the memes, they were a good grab bag

I don’t get .world posts in my feed and will miss 196, but my internet quality of life has improved overall.

How do I feel about? I fucking hate it. The last thing that any of the Fediverse needs is more centralization. @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone should take immediate action and demod those that are leaving. The fact is that with the current subscribers count, if a new mod team is installed, there could be no chance of the .world community ever gaining traction. I am willing to spearhead this, but I will need help.

I unfollowed every .world community I was previously following, then blocked .world entirely during the pre-backtrack period of their "we wanna do what Facebook is doing" announcement. I did unblock it later, but I'm not following anything on that instance, including 196. I don't believe what Moss and all them said about their talk with the lemmy world admins, I think eventually when they try again with the moderation change, they'll enforce it on 196 anyway, despite promising to let them moderate with their own rules. I also don't like that instance having the most content, which is just going to balloon up even more with 196's memes, since it starts going against the whole point of the fediverse, the decentralization aspect. If people start saying "well Lemmy world has the 'best admins' and the most communities so why make this community on another instance?", that's gonna have an effect, you know?

I just feel disheartened.

like u said on another comment, Id also be willing to mod a new 196 but not spearhead it :3 (and thanks for teaching me a new word X3) and I think a new 196 on blahaj is the best option, either that or the old 196 comes back along with the old mods (which doesnt seem like they will anyway) and I already didnt like them but now I dont trust them at all, maybe it could be called 197 like back in Reddit X3 or just '196 Blahaj' to differentiate it from other 196s in other instances

Will you continue to use 196 on lemmy.world?

Probably not, and if I do it will be mostly lurking.

I noticed they were somewhat unwilling to/incapable of removing comments that were mildly transphobic a while ago so while I'm disappointed that they are gutting 196 instead of new mods being introduced I'm not surprised.

If they had involved the community from the start, I would've been fine with it (tho I heavy dislike .world). Then again, it would not have happened, had they put it to a poll.

The way it happened now, they've lost most of my trust and all of my goodwill. I'll not move. I hope we get the local 196 unlocked under new management, or otherwise we might have to create a new one.

I don't see why folks can't make their own 196 on each instance. (Maybe there is some reason for not specifically using "196" as the name, but a "196 themed" community.) Even back in Reddit you'd have subreddits that were things like "blah2" or "blah_casual" made by folks unsatisfied with the mods of the previous community. People can use either one or both if they'd like.

What happened? I though it was a good place and also I don't .world is fit for 196.

Wow. This is sad. I didn't even know 196 was going to migrate before this. I'd probably see it on All once in a while but I don't think I'd join the community.

i’ll continue to browse the one here, and i’ll refuse to put foot on l.w. That’s an incredibly wrong move.

I am in the process of switching my account from world to blahaj. So I'm not particularly happy about this change.

I'll use the new 196 as a passive viewer, but I'm unlikely to post or comment after this change.

That was Reddit aah behavior by mods.

You know whats interesting with all this is while Ada is getting brought up a lot in contrast to the 196 mods, I actually think there's a mod on fedi that gives an example of how to handle this kind of thing better. Db0 is not perfect per se because no one is, but I can't think of a more transparent mod off the top of my head (though Beehaws has defederated a few larger instances where they may be). When he(?) wants to do something he just asks his users how they feel. He writes a lot of blogs about whats happening in his community and since he has a hand developing some of Lemmy's tech hes sure to let you know if a user-affecting change is coming. He's not perfect but he's got what I would dub integrity. This might be putting it on thick but I myself have modded a very small (low dozens) community and I've felt the burn of a lack of communication that moss is feeling now and its avoidable. Db0 does get into trouble with his users, but clearly he's actually in it for them.

Already blocked lemmy.world's 196. Sad to see Moss make 196 jump ship, but if what's important to Moss is visibility to as many instances as possible at the expense of user experience, then I don't think we need that community here anyway. We can always revive ours, or make a new one c:

the whole thing was bizarre and unnecessary! kind of casted a lot of doubt on the integrity mod team for me. the onehundredninetysix community has been pretty cool and I'll keep sending posts their way

Hey y'all @good_girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone here.

Lmao.

196 moderation is just so dramatic. some creature likes to fuck dragons, a different user hates dragon fuckers, the whole sub goes on defense about why fucking dragons is or isn't acceptable, and now that's the content for a solid week.

but yeah, i get it: it's a special place and special places require care to keep them special. still, any time there's the slightest drama i have to mute that whole sub for a week if i don't want to be dragged into it. i wish i didn't have to: i wish we could magically have the special place without the drama.

anyway no: i'm not going to lemmy.world. migrating instances is largely orthogonal to my (minor) qualms with that community, and 50% of my interactions with lemmy.world have resulted in me blocking one of their users: there's just way too much toxicity over there. i'll hang around the new onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone for a bit and just spend more time in whichever of the two has better vibes.

I guess the positive side to this is I will be much more productive at work without 196.

I do not get the rational behind it, i get what they said, but it doesn’t clear anything up because it’s so vague.

I’m not convinced of the necessity of the move and I’m not really attached in anyway to the mod team, not saying I don’t appreciate the work they’ve done, I just have no strong attachment to them being in charge of moderation, so why would I pick up and fallow them? There’s another 196 on here now so no reason to go fallow them to .world.

Also, I’m hesitant to see large communities get concentrated on .world, it’s already large and making it larger seems risky, like putting too many eggs in one basket. If something happens to it and a lot of important communities are based there, then that kind of puts a huge gaping hole in lemmy as a whole. Better to have things distributed more evenly across other instances for the sake of resiliency.

all in all it doesn't really matter, I don't think. Nothing much will change. I just really loved that fact that there was a popular community not on .world. I liked it being spread out.

If the community stays the same, I don't see the harm. The community of 196 has always been a mix of folks from various instances, I don't think its host instance matters all that much comparatively.

I wish it didn't have to come to this, but I can't fault the mods for using the fediverse for what it was made for.

Tbh this just led to me instance blocking .world and .ml. Thinking about how the move made realize how pretty much every bad interaction I've had on the fediverse was in those two instances.