Loops became Open Source!
Loops became Open Source!
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My fear with pixelfed and loops is the single dev seemingly more interested in money and clout than in building something long lasting for the community. I don't expect it to last long, but my friends really crave an app to exchange reels in and so we're hoping loops will be sufficient until something more stable comes around.
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New to open source? Good ideas don't really die in open source. If loops.video or Pixelfed are good ideas, open source will just do its thing because no one owns the idea once it goes open source
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Good ideas absolutely do die all the time even in open source. If the original dev doesn't want to play nice, it's actually pretty difficult to create a new fork that everyone will agree on. Hopefully these federated apps have enough inertia to prevent the userbase from splintering when the original devs move on.
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That’s funny because it’s not difficult at all to build an app like this. The value in buying such a business would be the scale of its user base, which is likely only several thousand at this point. And, if it were sold, most people would leave since most of those users are just dipping a toe in at this point to see what the app is like. Frankly, the content sucks. People are using this app out of goodwill and an interest in helping to build an alternative to the corpo apps. If dansup sells or does not open source, then that goodwill evaporates.
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Building an app like this for 100 people, sure. Making something handle smooth, affordable video delivery at scale. That's a spicy meatball.
The front-end is a mess for testing but doable. Then if you do live, you've got proxies and stream copies.
I host stuff at great scale, it's a different beast.
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The value of loops right now is the attention it is getting. Buyers are trying to swoop in early and bet that they can capitalize on the growth to get more money from other investors.
VC are gambling money as always
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Agreed. I am downloading and occasionally checking out some of the content on all of these apps like Loops or Pixelfed because I’d like to see them succeed. I’m not a content generator, but I hope having accounts on and viewing these services helps somewhat.
E:typo
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I'm not a content creator, but I recently went on vacation and put my best stuff up.
Without the algo, everything just gets lost to time. When I put a few things up, they faired well, but once they were out of the front seat, ( a day or so ) they were never seen again.
Where I post a couple nice things on bluesky, I get reverberations for days.
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You cant do more than dip a toe in, as there is no more functionality and even that is buggy and incomplete.
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Yeah this guy toying with selling is pretty insulting to anyone trying to help him out.
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Not even a surprise open sourcing...
Nvidia did it better :)
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Where's the code? There's only 9 commits to the backend and its only scaffold code. There's not even activitypub?
Same with the app. Was this just a publicity stunt?
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The Loops app certainly feels like it. Not to diminish a solo dev doing something on his own, but it just seems like a standard video player with like, comment, follow. Search feature is only by user; when you type a comment, it doesn't wrap the text, it just moves horizontally until you post it. I think the feed is literally just a chronological list of every video posted, and for some reason, most of the videos I see on it are just like...atmospheric videos. Still camera, nature background, rain in someone's backyard. People love the concept, but I don't see how it's anywhere near ready to compete for users like other options are right now.
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The web UI has been teased for so long, too. I'm losing trust with dan. I mean im glad he found success with pixelfed, and i wouldn't even have a problem with how long it takes loops; but he's just dishonest. If he was more honest, transparent and open sourced the code early on i would've had no problem. But this? what is this?
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Dan is constantly talking about buyout requests he's receiving for Loops and Pixelfed, so much so that it makes me a bit suspicious of those claims. Nearly every other post I see from his Mastodon feed is bragging about another alleged buyout offer, and how he's not for sale.
Has he ever shown proof of any of these offers he's received? It's not that I want to doubt him, but he's been very persistent with this claim and I think it's fair to scrutinize it at this point.
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It makes me question my Kickstarter donation along with his other controversy. Having said that, maybe we need some of that attitude on our side. The incumbent platforms' charters are to end competitive platforms. Some sass can help us perhaps.
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Nah. If you've ever run a mildly popular website, you'd know that you get spammed with ads for seo, content marketing, and buyout requests.
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Yes, but nobody believes those buyout requests. They're clearly phishing attempts.
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it might be useless gossip but for some reason a lot of fedi has various problems with this guy. for various reasons… he just has like … off vibes?
i guess similar to how lemmy devs are marxist lenninists—at least making it open source means projects can be forked if the founders go off the deep end.
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He stirs a lot of shit on his Mastodon account and gets into spats with other fedi devs. Just the other day he got into a one-sided spat with the GtS dev because the GtS dev implemented a feature to randomise the number of active users, which led to goblin.technology topping pixelfed.social in the FediDB charts. He then accused them of doing this to undermine him specifically, of wanting to 'de-legitimize Pixelfeds growth', despite it being explicitly a privacy feature.
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not just "off vibes", he posts a bunch of shit that people call him out on, and then deletes it
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It is a time of predatory billionaires grabbing all forms of media. It would not surprise me if he did get offers. It would also be very unprofessional to broadcast the valuation of Loops and Pixelfed while turning down the offer. It would be like recording and showing someone asking for a date and getting rejected.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all. Pixelfed got mainstream notice, and there's always someone willing to give you money. Pretty much every popular Firefox/Chrome addon developer gets emails about buying it, but those are usually just shady companies looking to push malware onto the existing install base.
Even apart from those, it wouldn't really surprise me to see some VC interest when Pixelfed hit #1 on the play store. They love the idea of glomming onto something that looks like a rocket and trying to ride it to the moon
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Looks like skeleton code to me? I don't see how that could be what the site/app are running on
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I thought it already was open source
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It wasn't. He had previously said that he would open source it after it had become more stable, but there was a lot of skepticism that he would follow through.
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what an asshole
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the backend not the app
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Pretty sure those are ai linked in bots that send that message to every single email they can scrape off the open web lmao.
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If that quote is what was sent to him to entice him to sell that sounds strongly like a scam
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Is there no iPhone app?
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Appears to be in TestFlight
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Pardon my ignorance, I am new to the fediverse and have no idea what I’m doing. But, when I signed up for loops on the website, I had to wait 3 days for them to send me a link to download a test-flight app for loops. I cannot recall if TestFlight is standard on iPhone or if I downloaded it previously.
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Test flight is opt in if I remember correctly and allows you to download beta versions of apps. So I would assume you signed up or activated it or whatever for an app.
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Yeah this is just vaporware at this point.
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This app is currently available and works. Not sure what your problem is.
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Lol
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Wtf. That pixelfed asshole was writing this shit as closed source before?
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He was working on it but it wasn't completed until now. I'm unsure why it wasn't open sourced from the start but either way, it's open sourced now.
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Not sure you can trust him at this point.
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Yeah man what an arsehole giving away free things, spending time making free things for everyone to use for free.
If he wants to keep his code private until he's ready to release it - that's somewhat up to him. The repo is a step in the right direction, just give it some time.
Looking through the git repo the ignore is lopping off quite a number of files too (server) however I'm not sure how much of those are things like secrets, cache, other scripts and so forth.
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