that is just sad. yet so many will say sexism does not exist
Pretty sure racism is also involved
The funny thing is that in my experience female programmers usually have above average skills. I suspect it’s exactly because of this bias against women in tech. Where an average or below average dude can easily get by, this is much harder for women. As a result this bias acts as a kind of filter which results in female programmers being on average a little better than male programmers because all the average or below average ones get filtered out early.
I might add, in the hostile environment women may feel compelled to try harder at least to make a point. As in, "I'll show you what I can do".
Here's hard data to match your experience:
"This paper presents the largest study to date on gender bias, where we compare acceptance rates of contributions from men versus women in an open source software community. Surprisingly, our results show that women's contributions tend to be accepted more often than men's. However, women's acceptance rates are higher only when they are not identifiable as women. Our results suggest that although women on GitHub may be more competent overall, bias against them exists nonetheless."
This is also common in the guitar community. Some women can shred like mofos, and here comes Jim-Bob McGraw saying their playing is tracked etc., ad nauseum
Sure there are. But then there are girls like Melle Baby who overshadow them not by only wearing underwear. Seriously, how do I get her out of my recommendations?
Yeah, online gaming has all but confirmed to me that sexism is very alive and well.
If she were a man, she’d be calling herself a polymath and everybody would be agreeing with her.
Even more rage inducing these comments would be the same if she wasn't conventionally attractive.
Fucking programmers need a solid clip around the ear.
I was so glad we had a woman join our dev team some months ago. It's more fun, more relaxed and we are able to get better results as we just cover a wider area of skills. People gatekeeping programming to include only men are idiots.
That poor girl. My gf's only female teammate quit last month and i suggested she start grinding leetcode asap. Could you imagine being the only woman on a team? Pretty strong indicator that something is very wrong there.
It's the same thing with any kind of diversity. Not an expert, but anecdotally, it seems to work better if you start adding diversity at the top. At least people at the senior+ level are generally more comfortable being outliers.
If we want to reach parity, there's gotta be some only woman at first.
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Eh, my team is this way, but it's because we're aerospace adjacent which further compounds the problem. The only woman on our team is awesome and everyone gets along great. No one has an inflated ego or feels the need to one up each other though, which tends to be the root of the issue in my experience. Lots of tech bros feel the need to put others down, and see women as an easier target unfortunately.
Tbf, the original photo was already discounting her abilities. Saying "can program code" for a lead SWE is saying like "can do calculus" for a physicist.
In their defense, maybe the post was written by some journalist with no technical background at all and doesn't know the difference.
Very much so. Many non-technical people are still very much in awe when someone drops names of programming languages. And it kinda makes sense. If they have no idea, they naturally equate it to spoken languages. And if someone goes like "I speak these 7 languages", most people would be mightily impressed.
But if you know a few programming languages, adding another similar one might be a matter of hours.
Also, once you're moderately good at programming, language doesn't matter much. You can pick up a new high level language relatively easily if needed. Low level languages might be harder for some people though, because it takes a fairly different mindset. Personally, I love low level programming, though it's not very time efficient to write.
Yeah, once you've got a few languages under your belt, it's all about concepts. If you end up learning a new language that follows completely different paradigms, you are back to square one. But most of the time you can go like "Ah, so concept X of the new language works similar to concept Y of that language I already know."
You know what. Good on her. Proud of her doing what she loves. You go girl!
This is some good shit. As a white American male, I say: fuck sexism and racism. You go, girl.
can program code
Such a weird sentence
I'd be impressed by anyone who could "Hello, world" in MIPS
A hello world in MIPS is impressive by itself.
Some fragile male egos in this thread. Looking forward to your complaints about the Barbie movie. Sad and pathetic.
I don't know what you're talking about. For me the fragile egos are way down the thread, all massively downvoted. The absolute majority is supportive.
Not everybody's sorting by Top, friend. They're probably down there where you say they are though.
People are addicted to rage.
A few arseholes on twitter saying negative things sets a chain reaction of rage to all those who are addicted to their own emotions.
The mature thing to do in all cases is to let it go.
It's also worth noting that the original comments could be aimed at the fact she is a model, and not because she is a woman.
#zoolander
Why would anyone care about an hour-long toy commercial?
Because that's not what the movie is at all. It actually spends a fair amount of time mocking consumerism and hating on the negative impact barbie has had on women's self image and feminism. It's actually pretty crass with a lot of offcolor jokes. It's more targeted to adults who had Barbies as kids during on the 80s/90s.
841st fastest growing company in the us
Weird flex, but ok
So is "I have X points on Stack Overflow".
Also, I'm on the iOS tutorial team for somethingorother.com.
27k points on SO is respectable. I've got 20k and that wasn't easy. There are shortcuts, but to find those you've also got to be clever.
Nope, not really.
Ain’t to many shitposts on stackoverflow and the raywenderlich website is one of the best ios programming resources. This shit is respectable.
Whenever I see someone taking down these absolute bottom of the barrel incel dork on social media, it just feels like shoo-ing a squirrel off the bird feeder. Just not even worth taking action
Am I the only one that doesn't think it's a waste if a gorgeous person does modeling/acting? If I had a body people wanted to ogle I would be using that power 24/7 instead of sitting here in a shitty office under fluorescent lights pretending to care about work while they pretend to care about me.
How the hell does she program in mips? I thought that was a unit of measurement
She a boss fr
Those guys are pathetic
I'm sure she's a programmer. But she's a programmer who drops her Stack Overflow score... let's just say that's a red flag in my book. (For all programmers).
For non programmers, it's like someone dropping their reddit karma score, or the number of their subscribers on Youtube as the first thing they say. Basically "my most important accomplishment is some rather unimportant digits".
(Views matter far more than subscribers on youtube, mostly because subscribers can easily be manipulated)
I don't understand why people absolutely need to make everything about man vs woman.
If it was a male model those people would have written exactly the same. If tomorrow comes out an article saying the same thing about bred pitt everyone would be suspicious about that being fake too
Since the two jobs are so disconnected from each other it sounds unlikely and they assumed it was some clickbait fake post, that's all.
I'm absolutely for equality and against any discrimination against women or any other category, but making this into a gender battle is ridiculous
It's only a "battle" because of people like you insisting sexism doesn't exist
Is it just a coincidence that it is all
menmale presenting pictures criticising her?Probably not, but then again it would likely be all men in the alternative scenario above too. Why that is is a different discussion I guess
I don't understand some people. Why do you go online and try to bring down strangers that you've never met in your life and probably never will? Why? What do you gain beside looking like a complete asshole?
If that's not just a rhetorical question... I think some people who have intense bias against people justify their beliefs with racist/sexist rationale. A lot of their other beliefs depend on these stereotypes to be true.
If a person threatens these stereotypes they need to find a reason to eliminate the threat. Some start digging to desperately find something or they straight out claim it is a lie. Otherwise their whole worldview tumbles. I think people who overemphasize that this is an exception also fall into this category.
It's almost like they don't know who Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, Radia Perlman, etc. are.
Programming began as a solely female profession. In the early days of computers mathematics viewed programming as beneath them so it was relegated to women. Before computers they performed complex calculations by hand and those number crunchers were women, so when number crunchers were replaced with computers the best women graduated to programming those instead. If course once it became clear that programming was much more versatile and transformative than just converting math equations into instructions, men just took it and kicked women out of the industry. It's not just the big female names that are being ignored here, it's an entire history and industry that was stolen from women that is being ignored.
"G-GU-GUH?!?! NO, HOW COULD THIS BE?!?!? A FEMAIL GURL? IN MY PRO-GRAMMING COMMUNITY? PRO-GRAMMING IS 4 MANLY STRAIGHT WHITE MALES LIKE ALAN TURING (lol), ADAM LOVELACE, AND GRAYSON HOPPER"
I always sort of hated this image. The point seems to be that one should jump to the idea the replies are racist and / or sexist. But when you actually look at who the post is from it’s clearly from some “facts” account / company thing. Which honestly should lead to a degree of incredulity. It’s the same kind of thing as “this 22yr old bought just their second house” and then you read two paragraphs and actually their parents gave them a small loan of a million dollars to start their real estate business.
Like, the whole point of the post is to bait people into saying that kind of thing, so when people fall for it it’s kinda understandable.
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Here is her stackoverflow profile https://stackoverflow.com/users/2274694/lyndsey-scott
She has 37k points there, this fact alone already makes her stand out. And yes she does have a specialization. It's iOS Development.
Also it's bullshit that experts only know one or two languages.
She makes a valid point, but on the other hand, she causes funny feelies in the incels’ pantsal region.
Basically they're scared and intimidated. Here is a person who is beautiful and intelligent and has made something of herself and that highlights their own inabilities.
I think sexism is only part of the problem, they'd have a similar response to a male model who had a successful tech career.
ITT: basically a reddit comment section on a post with any woman.
Guess the "it feels like Lemmy is more positive" days are over. So it goes.
What are you talking about? Literally every post with more score than yours is positive and mocking the bigots in the post.
If anything a statement like this reminds me of reddit where <1% has voted and commented but some bad takes are already attributed to the other 99%. (But the good comments are also way older than your post...)
ITT: people getting upvoted for whining about posts from fragile males, while the few such posts are downvoted to oblivion.
Yeah there's a surprising amount of 💩 takes in the comments... considering this blew up and the type of community it is, I'd guess the majority of normies are here too
Guess what, if that was some pumped-up muscle-bound male model that was 3/4 naked walking down the runway, people would be saying similar things about him too.
Itt: people getting upset over joke comments.
If there was a post about a male model saying the same thing the comments would be exactly the same. Not everything is about gender or race.
That is exactly what they would make up for a headline... Yeah, of course, guys...
Double major in comp sci and theatre.
Wait that's only one major, what's the second one?
Yeah... hostile work environment... sure
