"SO proof" distro
Any recommendations for a linux distro that i can set up and be reasonably sure my non techy SO won't break accidentally? The set up doesn't have to be easy it just has to not break once I leave her alone with it. My first thought was popOS.
My plan is to have 2 profiles and not give her access to sudo. I just don't want to have to go into it unless she needs a new program.
Fedora Atomic desktops, specifically Kinoite with KDE6 works well for me, and is basically unbreakable due to the way it works.
I vote the same, but I'd suggest a uBlue spin of the Fedora Atomic desktops. They have better defaults (all batteries included, as they say) and are easier to use overall IMHO. Bluefin and Bazzite are both great options, and both offer KDE and Gnome variants.
Edit: TIL the KDE version of Bluefin is called Aurora.
BTW, uBlue is getting some big recognition lately. They have been on the Fedora Podcast (official) and Framework Laptops has official instructions on their website for installing Bluefin and Bazzite.
Fedora is a bit too eager to deliver new updates IMO, especially KDE. As much as I love KDE, their .0 releases have had serious bugs several times in a row now. It's always better to wait for .1 patch with Plasma. It may be hard for the user to break Kinoite, but it won't save them from bugs.
Fedora's mission have always been to push new stuff when it's "mostly ready" at the cost of inconveniencing of some users, so I wouldn't recommend it for non-tech-savvy people.
I know people say that it's 100% stable for them (as they do for Arch, Tumbleweed, Debian Sid, etc) but that's survirorship bias. As any bleeding edge distro, Fedora has its periods of stability that are broken by tumultuous transitions to the new and shiny tech (like it was with Pipewire, Wayland default, major DE upgrades, etc). During these times some people's setup will break and you don't know ahead of time if it will be yours.
Linux mint is a good, "click first" distro that won't break without root + will be easy for her to use. For something with a more modern desktop and more recent updates, Bazzite is really good at just working and (in my experience) has never broken
I have tried most known distros but not bazzite, yet. might be the next one on my distrohop journey since everyone recommends it. hope it works better than fedora kde, it does not get along with my hardware AT ALL
For me, Mint borked the network after an update. I never got to figure what was wrong - the local network worked, the Internet connection was there and other devices worked through the same router, remote IPs were unreachable so it's not a DNS problem, etc.
But I might have had an edge case.
Any of them. Just don't give the root password.
This is what I do with my mom and her boyfriend. I've had them on Linux for a few years now and neither have managed to break anything.
Aurora by Universal Blue. She will be unable to break it, and it's so freaking easy to use and install.
While I enjoy using Aurora, there were a bunch of issues popping up over the last few months (e.g. display freezes). I guess that's the danger of a rolling release cycle, but I'm not sure it's 100% as foolproof as it needs to be right now.
Depends on the use case. For example, I actually managed to bork Aurora to the unbootable state while trying to make a VPN work properly a while ago. It didn't live long :D
I’m gonna be the boring guy.
RedHat Enterprise Linux. (Or Rocky)
Most boring distro ever. Install it, turn on all the auto updates and be happy. Install something to take backups. Ignore any new major-releases, that laptop will die before the OS hits EOL.
Benefits:
Drawbacks:
If you install anything else than RHEL-derivatives or possibly Ubuntu on a machine that someone else will use, you are both in for a world of pain. It has to ”just work” without intervention by you, and it needs to keep working that way for the next 5 years.
Source: Professionally deploying and supporting multiuser desktop Linux to a few thousand users other than myself.
In the era of Flatpak, I kind of agree with you.
The primary drawback is the complete lack of packages. A home user is going to want something not included and then things fall apart. Flatpaks and Distrobox have made that a lot better.
If you could get away with a RHEL core and Flatpak for apps, you would have a pretty solid setup for a “normal” person.
I both agree with you, and kinda disagree.
If you venture into installing Flatpaks on such a system, just keep in mind that:
Keep in mind, like 95% of normal people (we are not normal) don’t know what a package manager is and only use
For that, we need the default desktop install and the Spotify app (probably a Flatpak). That’s about it. It’s a glorified web browser with batteries. Treat it that way and keep it that way, unless your SO has any specific needs and requirements.
The limited and dated package set is kind of a feature. Only packages that should work until the laptop breaks, and only packages that won’t change randomly when you update (mostly).
Use Bluefin or some other immutable/atomic distro.
The upside is that it's rock solid and will likely never fail in a way that cant be easily rolled back. The downside being that it's slightly more complex to administer than a traditional distro model (which probably isn't a big problem if you are going to be administering your SO's PC for the most part.)
Bluefin is basically a more general desktop, less gaming-focused version of Bazzite. Bluefin uses Gnome, but there's also a KDE Plasma version called Aurora.
Mint.
I have my mum (67) and my partner using it.
Libre office and Firefox cover 99.9% of all the things mum actually does.
My partner uses blender, krita and audacity also.
Auto updates... Almost no tech support.
Linux mint makes sense. Auto updates and its hastle free for non techy person like me.
Even if I'm doing something crazy , chatgpt to the rescue.
Since less techy people tend to use more the mouse/touchpad anyways, I would pick a hard-to-mess-with desktop environment like Cinnamon or Gnome. With KDE, XFCE and such you can screw panels really easily if you don't know what you're doing.
Slap Debian under it and there you go
An immutable distro would be a good choice. They are distros designed to be more resilient against failure. For a gamer, bazzite is a solid choice; otherwise, silverblue.
Any immutable distro would do I guess
That is, if you have experience running immutable distros yourself and are able to serve as a tech support for them should they ever need it.
A lot is different under the hood, and general Linux knowledge doesn't always help.
I guess it depends what she does on her pc.
But ignoring that, Mint without sudo. Throw in flatpaks and appimages.
Immutable distros are probably fine too but in my experience they tend to be a bit fussy if you need to change something in the system config.
Ubuntu, always a solid choice for beginners but Gnome shell is a bigger change from windows conpared to Cinamon.
P.S. I have Mint on our TV PC and my SO handdles it without issues.
Aurora or Bluefin would be great, general purpose distros. They're based on Fedora Kinoite and Silverblue, respectively, so you get that atomic unbreakability with the addition of some handy software and easy, optional scripts via ujust.
I have Bazzite on a laptop specifically for this reason, so if I ever kick the bucket early, they will have a reliable and portable computer.
Aurora gets a vote from me. I set it up for my technically repulsive father, and he gets on just fine with it.
Bazzite does seem like a good option, thanks.
Any of the ostree variants of Fedora, be they Fedora Official or downstream ones like the Universal Blue family
Does she want this?
If so then just set her up exactly what you have so you can easily help when there’s a problem.
If not then get her the computer she actually wants.
It's a no money and cant run windows 11 situation.
Consider 0patch before you give up on windows. They do good work and it’s real affordable.
No matter what you do, in this circumstance it’s worth keeping that windows partition around.
I do think whatever you use is the right choice though.
E: I looked up the 0patch pricing and you get a year of patches for a bunch of eol versions of windows like 7 and 10 for $25 a year. It’s a good deal I think for people who don’t want to or can’t upgrade to 11, and they beat Microsoft to a bunch of zero day exploits.
I know you said it’s a no money kind of situation but I really think when ten is still a possibility theres two bucks and some change a month in the budget.
I switched from ubuntu to debian when 12 was released and it's been fine. Only thing i was worried about was running WoW via lutris but had no issues.
So when my SO windows pc died we bought some newish parts and i installed debian on it as well. Also installed chrome since that's her browser of choice. She's still getting used to gnome, but all she needs is browser, WoW, and libreoffice, which is close enough that it hasnt been an issue. She doesn't even know how to update the system.
If she wants a familiar experience and ease of switching, why not consider KDE or Cinnamon? Both are officially available within Debian.
I've got my wife and 5 year old on slackware. They wouldn't know how to screw it up if they wanted to!
Now that's an extreme choice :D
Doing a lot of tech support, don't you?
I recently set up Fedora Kinoite on my dad's laptop for him and he seems very happy with it. Kinoite is the atomic/immutable version with KDE Plasma by default. Once I'd set up a couple of things everything else he needs can be installed with flatpak (just make sure to set Flathub as the default and disable the Fedora flatpaks repo that ships broken packages all the time)
Debian is good at being basic, generic, stable AND has an automatic security-update-in-the-background feature
The whole amount of instruction to give to Dear SO is just to reboot the machine if it ever seems to misbehave
"Hello IT have you tried turning it on and off again?"
If you're not going to give her sudo access then I'd say it'll be really hard maybe even impossible to screw up. Also maybe setup a cron job that'll do auto updates and if needed add in a check to make sure it isn't uninstalling anything. Also how about immutable distro.
BLUEFIN.
Or Aurora/Kinoite, for a more familiar experience
I thought this was a request for Stack Overflow proof.
Then figured that was 'proof from pasting random crap from SO".
Then figured it's the same thing.
Any distro will be suitable, create yourself as the first user when installing (which will probably be added to the wheel/sudoers group or whatever) then create a new 'standard' user.
Most distribution defaults should be adequate.
For added safety, choose one that is immutable like, for example, Fedora atomic.
Use btrfs snapshots. Bring the PC to a state that you like, make a snapshot. Then on shutdown set the profile to reload to the specific snapshot.
Any issues? Just restart. Might take a minute, but it ensures the exact same environment every time.
I would like to avoid BTRFS at all costs if possible. But snapshots are definitely part of my plan.
Grub-btrfs is what broke my setup. Btrfs is what broke my backup. This was last week. Come again with btrfs if it gets stable.
Doesn't this mean that the system is never up to date? If so, please don't.
I mean, yes. You can't exactly snapshot a system and return it to operational order "under any circumstances" without compromise....
I've installed popOS to a couple of relatives, haven't had anty issues for a year so far. Can definately recommend!
Semi-serious suggestion: Guix or NixOS. They're not break-safe per se, but if they do break something, you can use the OS' previous generations to go back to an operational state. Just... don't let them use the commands that delete older generations.
(Semi-serious because they're both not exactly mainstream and not eactly conventional in their setup.)
Yep, NixOS as a base + some Flatpak store for installing apps. In fact, use impermanence to just drop all OS state apart from logs, network settings and flatpaks. That way, "turn it off and then on again" will almost always work to fix the OS.
Fedora Silverblue.
Or really any immutable OS; they would have to go way out of their way to even edit system files, much less break the system. I just recommend Silverblue because gnome is really hard for an inexperienced user to break.
OpenSUSE MicroOS
Pop all the way
I've had my wife on Pop for 3-4 months now but she performed some update in the Pop Shop this week that totally borked the bootloader. I was not able to repair or even get it to see her hard drive.
I was able to mount the drive using the Pop live USB and backup her data. I moved her over to Bazzite, which is what I use.
I prefer Manjaro, super easy.
I'd rather recommend Manjaro to those who want to start out simple, but then get into the details of Linux.
Unless all you do is browsing, Manjaro starts easy but then has a steep curve because it's still Arch, with the added issue of practically every Manjaro newbie ignoring warnings about AUR and getting to taste the consequences.
It will require you to work with the terminal, troubleshoot, and get to understand your system. This is not bad - that's how I got into Linux and never looked back after all all, and I generally don't join the "Manjaro bad" crowd - but this is not a bulletproof "SO distro".
Zorin OS is trending
Zorin is a good shout, but it's definitely not "trending", it's been a staple recommendation for over 5 years now.
Nixos with whatever defaults you don’t want her touching, then she can use nix profiles to install extra software if she wants
Has "non techy" evaded you ?
In fairness, there are attempts to make Nix user-friendly, such as SnowflakeOS, featuring a lot of improvements including a graphical app store etc, but those are alpha and not ready for an average user.
You can install imperatively using nice profiles. So you the OP can set up the base distro in a way their SO can’t break. Then any extra software can be installed imperatively using nix profiles. Any installed software will work as normals. Checking the normal places for configurations if their SO even needs to go that far
Thinly-veiled bazzite shill thread
Explain how you can shill for a free product which makes no money?
I don't use Bazzite, but I'm glad to see immutable distros being mentioned as they're the only sensible option for OP's use-case
Why don't you try to be useful instead? Is there anything wrong with Bazzite? Are there other distros that are better suited for what OP needs?
Honestly I'm not expecting much from ya. Though, I hope you can surprise me.
I honestly had never heard of it till I posted this. To be fair there are a billion linux distros at this point.
I honestly was expecting everyone to say mint.
till
Plough? Cash-drawer?