Longtime Harris supporters torn on possible 2028 presidential run

If she's not going out now, fighting and making the case against and rallying the troops against Trump and fascism now, I'm not interested in her.
- She's done nothing to help the people who supported her after her flop. I think she's cooked unless she comes back out of the grave in 4 years going "I'm actually cool now, right?!"
  
  A move we call “The Hillary”
- She was offering tax credits and small down payments to a population where 70% of people are paycheck to paycheck. While telling them everything is great.
  She NEVER cared about the people

Oh I’m not fucking torn on it.
I think you should leave. You failed to rise to the occasion. You listened to your dipshit consultants and the party establishment and AIPAC and other moneyed interests instead of the people. There is no strike two. It’s one and done. Get the fuck out, Harris.
- They are not alone in this thought.

Walz and AOC are the candidates worth talking about right now, because they're the ones showing leadership.
Go away, Kamala. And Biden, along with plenty of others.

No. She wasn't a good candidate ANY time she ran.
- 💯
  She ran a terrible campaign. She COULD have won. She made material decisions around who to listen to and how to campaign that prevented it.
  
  They ran a "flawless" campaign, they says

Stay the fuck home. You’ve had your shot and failed.

I'm voting Walz, he was the only other reason i was voting harris besides preventing the dictator.

Just run a white dude. Sucks to say but that's where our imbecilic nation lays. A white dude that isn't 100 ffs
- Bullshit, rejecting Hillary and Kamala does not mean women can't win.
  Voters rejected Biden during a primary so hard he dropped out despite him and the DNC assuring everyone it was over and literally no one still in it
  Does that mean an old white neoliberal can't win?
  Policy might not matter. But rhetoric does. And it will have been 20 years next presidential elections since Dems ran one with popular rhetoric
  Why not try that again?
  
  jfc christ exactly.
  How is it that some of you take perpetually the wrong lessons from electoral politics (not you @givesomefucks@lemmy.world, the person you are responding to).
  Where are you getting these pudding headed takes?
  SHE RAN WITH LIZ FUCKING CHENEY PEOPLE!!
  The war criminals nepo daughter.
  The name TWO GENERATIONS of voters learned to blame for the dysfunction which was Iraq and Afghanistan. A name Democratic voters were litterally conditioned to hate.
  Liz Cheney, an incumbent who lost her primary with 27% of the vote. Thats who Harris decided to run with.
  Just..
  Just notice how technocratic and neoliberal the original take is. The idea behind it, is that you just need to line up the perfect set of identities and qualifications, and then, then they'll win. Its the exact worm-brained thinking that gave us Hillary Clinton. That's the way to win elections. When they fucking blow it because the person has because thats not how fucking elections work, they have an easy fucking way to wash their hands by blaming sexism.
  Guys: What was her fucking platform? Can anyone in this room tell me what the FUCK Harris was actually running on? Like other than "I want to be President", what the fuck was she proposing in 2024?
  And then she ran HARD to the right. She fucking ran to the right of fucking Biden for ffs.
  And like, I don't think we should be (necessarily) talking about Harris either, but not because of her identity or race, but because she ran a dog shit fucking campaign and threw what should have been a fucking lay up with how deeply unpopular Trump is. And she blew it because she listened to people who give advice like OP. I think when you blow an election like she did, any one, you just gotta go away from electoralism, like (thankfully) Hillary did.
  But don't stop giving us ladies to run. Run Warren again. Run AOC. Run Porter. But jesus christ stop pretending that voters base their entire fucking vote on the identity of the candidate as an excuse to run dogshit neoliberal campaigns.
  
  If a woman loses even 1-2% of the vote simply due to Misogyny, they're at a massive disadvantage. If you don't think Misogyny exists in the "independent" voters or even in the solidly democratic voters, you're not paying attention to reality and pretending the world is better than it actually is.
  
  Voters rejected Biden during a primary so hard he dropped out
  No they didn't. The primaries were over and he won them. He dropped out like 6 weeks after the primaries were over, and he won them (second place was Uncommitted with 4.25% of the votes). Credible candidates just generally don't contest an incumbent president, and contested conventions generally don't produce a winning nominee.
  
  I don't like it. Id love an AOC or Crockett type to run. But people just fall SO HARD for right wing misogynistic bullshit. So many people around me justified their vote with 'she slept to the top' and other complete bullshit. I genuinely lack the faith in our electorate I really do.
- She could win if she'd get more in line with Porter policies. And keep them.
- How about Buttigieg?
- White straight dude. Who isn't 100.
  Secretary Mayor Pete would kill it but he could never get elected.
- Do you want President Gavin Newsom, then?
  
  Probably, look at the state of how Democrats are courting more republicans and giving every demand and cabinet pick to the Republicans.
- Mark and/or Scott Kelly.
- The sad thing is how right this is. It would take a tremendous amount of dumb luck for anyone other than a white dude to win in this political environment, as much as I'd like to see otherwise.
- it’s sad, but true.
  The only way we are getting a woman in the White House is when MAGA convinces Ivanka to run.
  
  This is such dumb rhetoric
  How did Obama win? He ran on a platform of systemic change and healthcare reform. He made change his primary message and sent that down your throat. He didn’t deliver and he droned the shit of a bunch of kids, but that’s how he won
  How did Kamala lose? Same way Hilary did. Not because they’re women. Because they ran shit neoliberal campaigns pandering to centrists and conservatives rather than trying to capture disillusioned workers who are desperate for change
  Trump voters make up like 27% of voting eligible population
  
  "Women can't win" is just an excuse to shut out AOC.
  
  Not even then. Magas are trying to kick women out of positions in their own party etc. Some of them are talking openly about how only strong white men can lead.

How about some electoral reform so we can vote outside the 2 party system without a spoiler effect.
How about a god damned primary?
Is this a purity test to far? I guess i just feel entitled to democracy, what can i say.
- No party has a vested interest in bleeding political power to another. You have to take control of the Democratic party first
  
  No party has a vested interest in bleeding political power to another.
  And yet democrats keep capitulating to republicans.
- I'm pretty sure there will be primaries... People just have to fucking vote in them for once.
  
  It would be nice if ALL the primaries were all on the same day. I've rarely voted in a primary that wasn't practically already decided.

No. What's going on, have you been hanging out with Hillary? Don't do more damage.

for leader of the peoples of the earth or of the space colonies ?

Hot take: Walz/Harris might have won, but Harris/Walz just never stood a chance.

I think if all the non-voters put this much fervor and conviction into voting in primaries (all primaries, I'm not just assuming all non-voters would show up to vote left) we'd be much better off as a nation.