Why incels take the “Blackpill”—and why we should care

Wealth inequality is the cause of almost every single economic and social issue in existence.

If young men had the money to have agency in their lives they would be living life instead of living with their parents to save money while seeking validation through internet fascists.

If school wasn't desigend to be a day care service for Capitalists our children would be properly socialized with the different sexes/genders before getting the chance to grow up into incels.

I call it economic infantilization.
Back in 1960 US minimum wage was $1.00/hour and the average US home was $11,000.00 A brand new car was around $2,500.00 A teenager could move out of the house and be self supporting and grade school kid could work hard and pay for a car on their 18th birthday.
It's hard to feel like an independent adult when you can't afford anything.
- I cry bullshit. Incels aren't that way because of money. Generation X ate out of dumpsters and did what they could to survive. Not saying younger generations have it easy, but you can be broke and not be a misogynist. From what I understand, sex offenders created the incel movement to normalize their bullshit. Trump and all of those rapists want a world where they can be evil with no consequences. They are working hard towards that end. They need an army of like minded degenerate perverts to achieve this. The algorithms promote this sort of insecure male content on YouTube and other media. Most of those influenders make money trafficking women for sex. This is a new thing. 30 years ago, people were moving away from sexism, and racism. Now, everyone is a protégé of the sociopath billionaires and misogynist tech bro oligarchs. People need to realize this isn't a natural movement, it's a synthetic one. Fuck incels! Not literally, of course.
You're right, therefore we should ban abortions and gay marriage. /s
Ah, that's why there are no rich incels!
/s
- Okay lets do the litmus test:
  What do you think of Israel?
  What do you think of the C.E.O.'s who encourage policies that deny warranted health care?
  Did the URSS create famines? (I'm leaving this one in here because it's a hilarious typo and you deserve to understand how silly you look)

Raising kids these days must be a real minefield with all this toxic culture being so accessible.

Fundamentalist religion is at the top of the toxic culture, and it has been around since before the incel term.
- Anyone offering easy answers to complex questions should be suspect. And that does largely incriminate all religious groups around the world. They often espouse seemingly decent and benign ideologies. But unfortunately the mindset that latches on to those things, idealogues; are the danger. Even if the ideology themselves aren't necessarily.
- Usually, it's just another term for the same thing, I would say.
And most parents are too lazy or too tired to police their children
- The kids are also at school half the day or more, we’re trying to teach and reinforce critical thinking as much as possible with our son. And I’m trying to show him that there are lots of ways to solve problems when examples arise.
  But I’m also a dad that both fixes the cars and cooks the dinners and solders the electronics and sows on the buttons. He’s a smart kid, and a contrarian like his folks, so I hope he’s gonna be ok.
I don't think that raising kids was ever easy.
- I think the point is that parents have less influence than ever when kids are getting their values from online communities.
If I choose to have children, they'll be home-schooled, and their internet use will be entirely supervised until they're older. None of this, hand-a-toddler-a-tablet nonsense.
lol no one raises kids these days, they leave that to youtube

How can we help them make more friends? How can we get them involved in real-world activities that will diminish their time spent online?

By locking them into suburban houses with no places to go without being driven by their parents, until they're old enough to drive. 🇺🇸🇨🇦

And then making cars impossibly expensive, teenage boys uninsurable as drivers, wages hilariously low, and reliable transportation a prerequisite for employment.
- Those profits aren't going to make themselves!
I used to go to school by bike with friends, nowadays there is car traffic congestion to drop off kids at school
- In the 2000s my elementary-school step-son wasn't allowed to walk, bike or skate to school. Also, they didn't get to keep a locker. Fuck teaching personal responsibility! 6-yo children, bent double with giant backpacks. All they needed were coolie hats to complete the slave motiff. All in all just a nother brick in the wall.
- The middle school I went to in the 90's had bike racks. They were old and corroded, most were kinda shoved to the side. I never once saw a bike locked to them, and I got the feeling that you'd get in trouble if you did.
  That school was about 60 years old, and was once the town high school, it was in amongst the residential side of town. They opened a new middle school out on commercial land back behind the Best Buy out on the stroad that's only known by its US route number. They installed no bike racks there.
- Yeah. Not to mention how much time, effort and money it takes for parents to shuttle kids around to create some semblance of social life. The more difficult it is, the fewer people do it. Growing up in commie blocks, it was impossible to go out the entrance and not bump into some kids playing. You'd go on the balcony and get yelled to come down by some kids outside. We walked alone to school since kindergarten. There were multitudes of small local stores to buy yourself a treat and share it with the other kids. Even the least attentive parents had their kids get socially functional by society. This sort of thing is possible in some places in North America but I think it's the exception rather than the norm.
- I lived on the street next to a high school.
  The primary entrance to both the high school and the rest of the neighborhood was appropriately named Funnel.
  Getting out of the neighborhood was sometimes the longest part of my journey, and that was driving from the suburbs into downtown on a notoriously traffic ridden (and always under construction) freeway - they liked to close exits with little to no notice sometimes requiring massive rerouting. Was late a couple times because of that, but the traffic right at the start of the commute was the worst.
  A combination of high schoolers who can't drive, and half asleep parents who need more caffeine or less kids - probably both - as well as pedestrians and kids on bikes. I don't know about your area, but cyclists in that area did not abide by traffic laws and no one stopped them, so they kept doing it. More than a few people died at that crossing in the ~5 years I lived there.
  Thankfully, I usually only saw it bad on my way home in the morning (medical IT, I worked nights).
  Covering some other shifts though? Whew, I had to leave at least 30 minutes earlier than I would for a night shift.

Sooooo… when are we gonna admit that men’s mental health is unfortunaly heavily tied to their career prospects?

No, not yet?

Okay I’ll keep waiting.

sigh
…
It's capitalism.
Men's well being wouldn't be tied to career prospects if it weren't for the rat race we are all brainwashed into since birth that is capitalism.
You have worth as a human beyond your capacity to produce profit.
- Yeah and the reason young men are finding it hard to have real life friends and end up on uncle forums is because we lost most of our “third spaces” thanks to them not making money and shutting down or being underfunded or closed if they were publicly owned.
  Ontop of this the constant algorithms that push specific topics to people over and over due to it keeping them on the platform and therefore generates income.
  It does feel like 75% of this problem could be fixed by stopping corporate greed and fixing our local communities as whole.
- You have worth as a human beyond your capacity to produce profit.
  This is only true in a vague, wishy-washy metaphysical sense. Fine, whatever, you have intrinsic value. If that warms your cockles, more power to you.
  But the extent to which other people value you is entirely dependent on what you can provide to them. This has nothing to do with capitalism. Do you think that in a socialist society, a person who refused to do any work at all - not because they couldn't, but just because they didn't feel like it - would be shown general love and acceptance and kindness? No! They would, at best, be tolerated and given the bare necessities to survive - but they wouldnt be celebrated. Do you think primitive tribes love and support the lazy asshole who never contributes and just expects food to be brought to them every day? No, of course not! They kick that motherfucker out when they are dead weight.
  And what you "provide" for other people doesn't have to make money. But it does need to provide some kind of value. Do you have a beautiful smile that brightens peoples' day? Are you tall enough to reach things on the top shelf, and willing to reach them for short people? Can you make hilarious dolphin sounds at parties? Are you a supportive friend who listens to others' struggles when they are down? No? You just sit your ass on the couch all day and watch TV and interact with basically no one? Then why the fuck would you expect anyone to value you, when you provide no value to them? This is not a capitalism problem. This is a human solution. Dead weight gets dropped. Period. Always has, always will.
- Because a man’s prospects weren’t important in feudal, classical, and ancient societies?
- Capitalism probably doesn't help, but I don't think male alienation is really unique to this time or culture. Any time you have social hierarchy the lowest tier ends up eating a lot of shit. Our social hierarchy is very capitalist but you'd easily find the same kind of thing even in hunter gatherer societies. Socialism has plenty of hierarchy baked in as well. Anarchists are about the only ones who actively attempt to "flatten" society.
- "Career prospects" in this case means that men want to feel like they’re of use to society. The issue is only tied to capitalism in the sense that the current capitalist environment doesn’t offer many of them meaningful work. I’m not sure what alternative to capitalism you imagine would solve that problem - without also giving men those same career prospects they’re currently lacking. Taking care of and providing for the tribe is what we're hardcoded to get meaning from.
Buddy I know a ton of men well placed in their careers and lifestyles that eat themselves up everynight out of loneliness.
How bout instead of waiting you arm up and help overthrow the EXTREMELY VIOLENT capitalist system? Go hunt a hedgefunder or private equity broker
- Leftist incel vibes
SOOOOOOOO…..we can all admit now that socioeconomics is real. Cuz I’d hate to think anyone would think this is a new concept and would affect only one group recently and they still sit there and think they are unique to this ’phenomenon’ whilst it’s been an effect for generations already and has gone ignored for about as long. And they've had to just ‘deal with it’.
Cuz I’m real sick of seeing this argument like it’s not been around and affecting whole swaths of groups of people for centuries.
You can admit there’s been slaves and it’s affected their families poorly? Let’s start with that. And it’s still happening. And it’s still being brushed under the carpet and there’s still flagrant racism targeting entire communities to ignore their prospects.
For generations.
Cuz that all happened way before incels in the burbs came about.
- Who is pretending socioeconomic inequality isn't real? I agree with what you say, but I'm not sure who here you're directing your comment at.
- Violence is the answer

Seems like a huge part of the problem is equating "self-worth" to "getting laid".

Putting your dick in a woman doesn't make you any more of a man / successful / worth more than anyone else.

Societal expectations need to be rejected. Oh, success is measured by your ability to get married, have a house, and raise your 2.5 children? For a vast majority, NONE OF THAT IS CURRENTLY SUSTAINABLE AND/OR OBTAINABLE. So why bother? Right?

I get it. It ain't right, but I get it.

Putting your dick in a woman doesn’t make you any more of a man
Yeah, puting a man's dick in you makes you more of a man.
- Assuming a penis weighs about 0.1 kilograms^1, and the average weight of a man is around 90 kilograms[^2], we can assume that you will be roughly 0.11% more man!!!
  (BY MASS)The measure may be different if we calculate by a change in volume.
  [^2]: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320917 ; https://www.healthline.com/health/mens-health/average-weight-for-men
- It's simple math, really.
- Yeah instant double the amount of man.. wanna become a 3x man? Just lmk
It's literally the most natural thing in the world to equate reproductive effectiveness to worth. All life is "worth" their reproductive effectiveness. So not having sex is very relevant to our entire existence as a species.
As such, our mental faculties put a heavy punishment in the form of mental pain, i.e. "self-worth attached to getting laid", on this whole thing.
This has very little to do with societal expectations. It's simple biology. Not getting laid is supposed to be one of the worst things for an organism.
You're rationally right with what you say, but it's simply not very relevant. Rationality does not help with our most deeply rooted biological desires. The only thing that helps is getting them fulfilled, i.e. having sex.
- Everything you wrote is nonsense. Pointing at a process that often occurs - evolution - and then working backwards to claim that organisms must feel pain when they don't reproduce is completely antilogical. Evolution may be caused by feelings of pain or suffering when otganisms don't reproduce, or it could be something completely different. You are putting the effect before the cause.
  Trying to do evolutionary psychoanalysis on something as cognitively complex as a human is practically guaranteed to give you wrong conclusions. What's more, this sort of bullshit is part and parcel of a lot of bioessentialist rhetoric, so if I were you I would definitely consider revaluating a few things.
- Yeah sure, but it's also one of the most natural things in the world to bite people
- I'm asexual. Can't relate, I guess.
  EDIT: Wait, that's even shittier!! People unable or have difficulty reproducing are worth less to society?? I may be a bit naïve, but I don't believe that's a majority of society believes something like that. That's disgusting.
- -20
  They hated them because they told the truth.
Yeah i have sad it before. Many young men belive that to be a good person they must me the manlyest man to have manned in the history of manhood. Anything else and they a moral failure.
And you believe that men are fuck machines, fuck beasts, that to be a man is to fuck. Well thrn a man that is not having sex is failure of a man.
Changing their. Minda is not just a changing some view it is changing their whole world view. It is the sane as convincing the pope to convert to Buddhism. It is way more then facts or some conversations ot converting a whole generation.
Pro tip: getting laid creates more problems than it solves.
- Oh, I'm well aware. I'm one of those problems. 😎
- Pro tip: don't say "getting laid", ever, unless you want to sound misogynistic.

Aren't these guys misusing blackpilled? I thought it was specifically for suicide not just going NEET? Which like we should talk about but not through this corporate productivity-washed drivel.

If you also didn't know
"Not in Education, Employment or Training", its an acronym for people that don't go to school, don't work and are mot looking for work.
- Valid point, as well, given that part way through the article she says she's watching a guy who is working, he's just doing what would be considered frontline labor and I guess that underemployment is what's qualifying that guy as a NEET? At least that's how I understood her take, which, as we've said, is not what this acronym is supposed to mean.
- Also it's a backronym from the similar Japanese term which refers to a growing number of people there who have abandoned society and hole themselves up in their room literally never going outside.

Reading these comments makes understanding why the world is in its current state, extremely easy

Keep preaching and applying that brand of empathy guys, it will surely pay off eventually

The simple fact is no one really cares about the plight of men, and this is obvious when you look at social service funding and especially homeless shelters.
We are in a 'bare branch' crisis, and back when this happened in medieval China, whole gangs of angry unmarriable men would form raider bands and just pillage and rape until they were put down by the military. It happened so often that warring states would purposely stage useless battles with massive losses on both sides to keep down the 'bare branch' population so they didn't get to rioting levels.
Maybe the fact that warfare is no longer culling the most desperate, lonely, and impressionable men has let to such a large population of unfocused, angry, lonely, and fundamentally unlikeable males.
It's mainly because biologically we evolved to have kids and die on a hunt, our evolution pressures just aren't capable of handling a male population without a certain degree of unnatural casualty.
- While we're making shit up, did you know the sky is purple? 1 + 1 = 3. Since we don't need sources, up is down, and you are correct. You are also not an incel, and it's 25 o clock.
- Sounds like Bullshit, got an sources for that?
- I'm actually impressed at how ridiculous this is. But I'll bite:
  What's the plight of men?
  Is it sexual frustration?
  Is the solution ensuring that young men have access to sex, regardless of the means or impact on women?
  If that isn't feasible, are we simply supposed to engage in war to cull off these sex-starved, victimized men who seemingly are incapable of contributing to society in any other way then impregnating women and waging violence?
  If so, what is the benefit of living in such a world?
- Based comment. In our society, men still believe in working 50+ hours a week for peanuts, so we won't see any of these gangs forming any time soon. Maybe a few active clubs though lol

"It's important to remember that it's not zero-sum. We can care about the well-being of women and girls and also acknowledge that young men are struggling, too. Those don't have to be at odds."

Yes, I hate the way that people in media thought they could empower women by creating absolutely moronic and attractive male characters that they could sexually harass. Like, what!? That's not the way! I think people in general need more support because we've sort of nullified the way support networks used to exist.
I think you need to be on a subdued position by society to be considered as "struggling". Incels accept their condition completely and are not in a vulnerable position when related to society. Unless you call being called out for "mental health" problems as submission.
Being weak doesn't mean you're subdued, I bet incel's existence is profitable to someone. All in all, I don't wish you a time trying to "care" for these people, I don't think they would care for you. Unless you call "care" throwing them into some mental institution for something's sake.

What a terrible article. NEETS and lie flat movement has almost no overlap with incels.

Ostensibly the whole world has been online for enough time now. Yet everyone continues to demonstrate a remarkable lack of ability to grasp internet cultures.
It makes no sense. Like trying to explain technology to my elderly grandma. Except she knows she's very old and out of touch. What's everyone elses excuse. It's made even worse because everyone else thinks they are digitial culture savvy.
- It's intentional to cause infighting and and to help build the association between neets and incels.
  Ars Technica is owned by Conde Nast media conglomerate, which is owned by Advanced Publications, which is owned and controlled by the billionaire Newhouse Family.
  That's why Steve Newhouse wants these types of articles to be written, because it obfuscates truth and pushes division.
  Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
And what do you base that of? It's incredibly easy to identify the cause of that overlap...
They overlap because they are all rejects and failures with no prospects.
- Since we've past growth now there are precious few winners in a zero sum game. Why even try, if you're not cut to be a liar and a thief?
- ...I'm honestly not sure if this is sarcasm or not - if you're pointing out a problematic point of view or if you're attacking the people the article is talking about.

Well, everybody in the manosphere is a toxic idiot/asshole, no matter what particular brand of stupidity they follow. It does feel very similar to religion, though. Some sects might be more violent, but they all follow some made-up shit.

It is semi-religious in that every single head in the "manosphere" is just a leader of a cult of personality.
It may be true of humanity in general, but it's definitely true of Americans that they just love themselves a good cult.
So where do we meet the devotees in the middle to try to deprogram them?
- It won't work, as long as these right wing grifters designed to draw in incels to their circles. It seems even if they get married somehow it doesn't solve their issues, as long as the grifters convince them otherwise

It's pretty easy to give up trying to build a future for yourself when it has been made abundantly clear to you that your future is not part of the grand plan.

Seems like a great way to ensure that a lot of goodhearted people commit suicide while a lot of assholes get promoted.
And it's pretty easy to realize you can take a future by scam, violence, and fraud easier than you can by dedicating your life to making other people rich.
Maybe a nation of roving bandit gangs is what we need for a while

As always nothing will be done on a public level.

"De-radicalization is a noble, worthy line of research," she said. "But the existing evidence from that field of study suggests that prevention is easier and more effective than trying to pull these people out once they're already in." Potential strategies might include fostering better digital and media literacy, i.e., teaching kids to be cognizant of the content they're consuming online. Exposure time is another key issue.

The education system world-wide is quite bad. Yes, it's better than nothing, but still, its not good. Media and online literacy are part of the smallest subset of curriculums. As a whole, the education system fails at preparing most people for life. It's even bad at preparing people for a vocation, its seemingly intended goal.

With better education, traditional mindsets would be much less common. I mention this because in my opinion the major cause of being an involuntary celibate and considering that status a problem, is traditionalism. That attaches self-worth to achievements in life and tightly couples success with partnership and parenthood.

Better education creates more free thinkers and independent individuals who are not easily controlled or swayed by popular narrative. They are not immune to it, nobody is, but giving humans a toolset for critical reasoning can go a long way.

That attaches self-worth to achievements in life and tightly couples success with partnership and parenthood.
I am highly skeptical of a viable alternative here. Self worth is strongly tied to the quality of our social relationships. Our social relationships depend significantly on our achievements. People want to be around other people who are succeeding, because they know that successful people can help them also be successful. Sure, your mom will always love you, hopefully... But who else?
- There are countless alternatives and everybody has to find what that means for them. For example I have no real achievements to speak of. Sure, you could look at my paycheck and say "that person successful". You could look at where I live and say "you're successful". You could look at where I vacation and say "you're successful". But what does that mean? It might mean something to you because you attribute some kind of value to it, but I don't. My self-worth is attached to how I treat others (or how I don't), how I view the world, how I will leave it when I'm gone and the things I tried to do before ending up as fish or worm-chow.
  If you feel like you have to live up to some kind of metric of success setup by other people, that's fine. I hope that makes you happy. It wouldn't make me happy, but I'm not you.

US version of Japan's Hikikomori?

Incel is just a pejorative that makes them get even more blackpilled. Use "emotionally unstable" or even "constitutionally weak", because if they knew the real issue, they'd be more predisposed to actually fixing themselves so that they can also get laid.

Also, legalize sex work. Just get them laid. Watch the alt right and fascism crash harder than a drunk driver speeding at night.

Sex ain't gonna fix 'em.
- Therapy will though, which is why framing and semantics are important.
  Then again, I'm a humanist. I humanize.
- but it will make them less celabete
Pretty fucked up to think that sex workers should be subjected to a bunch of misogynists.
There’s a disconnect with capitalism and culture. Getting laid isn’t going to fix that.
- Sex workers can choose their clients, if they want to take a misogynists money, what the fuck business is it of yours?
- Sex work should be subject to protections under the law, including the law, the courts and the healthcare system - rather than subject to persecution, ostracization and having to fend for themselves outside of the law. They'd rather want sex motels decked with panic buttons and security on guard.
  Think before you assume you're actually concerned for someone's well being, and if you think continued illegality will somehow eradicate sex work - let me remind you that it hasn't worked thus far. Please reconsider your stance.
'don't call me incel or I'll meme even harder'
XD
- They'll remind isolated with weakened impulse control because of ignoring their mental health - which is the problem I was eluding to.
  But hey, your cathardic Schadenfreude is all that matters. I wonder what that says about you.
- You joke, but this is what actually goes through their heads.

I thought school was for basic education, not getting ready for the labor market.

The point of school is to churn out workers. The government didn't throw money into education because it felt generous.
- Ya'll are forgetting it also doubles as childcare for all the workers you're employing, but paid for by the state, which is why capital was behind it.
- In a democracy, you should have good schools for the simple reason as to have a people that's actually able to carry a democracy.
- I don't think I need to learn chemistry and physics to get a job.
Sorry to burst your bubble. We're all just pawns for the capitalists.
- My bubble is already completely destroyed.
- At least keep walking and become a queen.
That hasn't been the case... Ever I think. We're still trapped in the industrial revolution's education system - create laborers - but with a lot of extraneous bullshit tacked on in an attempt to mesh it's obsolescence with modernity and labor-saving tech. It's always been about controlling the workers.
- Originally, school was for the nobility and (fledgling) bourgeois, so they could run their spreadsheets, wage wars, and impress people with trivia, everyone else's education came from family tradition, neighbours (farmers talking farming stuff), or an education in the trades. Want to study geometry? At some point, the best option was to become a mason. And they would swear you to secrecy.
  Universal education is a brainchild of Martin Luther, he wanted everyone to be able to read so that all could read the Bible.
Hmm maybe at one point but that point is long gone

We need a new Judo craze in America.

What happens when you do Judo?

You become confident, and typically very humble. You also get fit AF.

What happens to guys who are confident, humble, and fit AF? They are viewed positively by women.

It’s hard work but very fun. You do need decent health insurance though because it’s easy to get injured. The younger you are when you begin, the easier it is.

You can do BJJ instead but that’s way more expensive and not always so humble.

I took kung fu as a teen and I remember my teachers telling me a story about how the grandmaster essentially beat up a homeless person for asking for money.
I think they were trying to communicate how badass the grandmaster was but it just made him seem like a dick.
Oh yeah confidence by physical appearance, the best kind of confidence... Let's hook up him in modern society, maybe we should teach him that there exist plastic surgery too...
Confidence and being humble starts when you accept yourself aa you are and you value that. The hyper fixation of the current state of society of creating gym bros is the opposite.
The only thing about judo is the Zen part, that most of the centers don't teach. Because they are hyper fixated on creating gym bros.
Someone that bases his confidences on what he does is not confidence. Confidence is a self appreciation and it does not depend on what you do.
Society is fucked up if the tip for helping young boy to be confident is to send them all to do martial arts. And I'm especially talking about western martial arts that deviate so much from the original meaning that they have in China or Japan.
- Tell me you've never been to a judo class without telling me you've never been to a judo class.
Lol, there's already an obsession with martial arts in America. I don't think having more people with Joe Rogan brain running around is going to help anyone.
- Yeah but they're not talking about getting ripped and doing steroids and shit, but taking classes from an expert.
We need a new globbin craze in America!
(I'm not saying this at all because I am the head of my local globblenoobin or because I'm a globbin enthusiast that thinks the solution to everything is everyone should be globbin like me.)
What happens when you do globbin?
You become confident, wise, and typically very humble. Some would say you become among the most humble people you could ever find. You also become lit AF.
What happens to guys who are confident, wise, and lit AF? They are viewed positively by women.
It's very hard work but very fun. All you require is fifty thousand kopecks and a note from your local beetlebobbin. The younger you start your globbin journey the better, because it's easier to become the head of a local globblenoobin if you start early!
You can always do glubinobin instead, but it'll never be as good as the most highest esteemed globbin!!!!
- You can just say smoke weed.
What happens when you do Judo?
You get brain damage from getting kicked in the head all day and then you become more misogynistic, more violent and generally more right wing as a result. Unless you know of a way to pit these golems against incels and get rid of the problem that way I'm pretty sure we are going to need a more general and far reaching approach than Judo.
- there are no kicks or punches in judo though

i wish i would go back to those days where i never heard of incels

That's just ignoring the problem though. We agree there's a huge society level problem here right?

I'm sure they expect others to take care of them though. Like giant house pets.

stop using the photo of that kid lol the actor has enough bad reputation for staring in that series, he needs to do something crazy next to break out from that role

What bad rep? Being acclaimed as one of the greatest actors his age? He's just playing a character. The kid doesn't even look like the character anymore.
I swear he looks AI to me, I don't know why.
Well it seems he’s going for another round so…

Lmao

Fuck these losers. Just discard them from society.

Holy fuck I'm glad I'm not growing up now. This whole "incel" thong just makes me so fucking mad.

We have a subset of adolescent males who are harassed amd bullied and depressed and self-destructive, and how does the rest of socirty respond? The best they can manage is to gridgingly say things like:

You can both condemn their ideology and find it abhorrent and also remember that we need to have empathy for these people."

Many people—women especially—might find that a tall order, and Beckett-Herbert understands that reluctance. "I do understand people's hesitancy to empathize with them, because it feels like you're giving credence to their rhetoric," she said. "But at the end of the day, they are human, and a lot of them are really struggling, marginalized people coming from pretty sad backgrounds. When you peruse their online world, it's the most horrifying, angering misogyny right next to some of the saddest mental health, suicidal, low self-esteem stuff you've ever seen. I think humanizing them and having empathy is going to be foundational to any intervention efforts to reintegrate them. But it's something I wrestle with a lot."

How nice. You think maybe you should try to empathize with them and remember that they are human beings, but gee... that's a tall order. You're not sure if you can actually do it.

And then you have the gall to wonder why they exist - how they got to be that way. You should, if you genuinely want to do something about them, be offering them help to deal with their struggles before they even get to that stage. But no - you won't do that. Fuck them - they're boys, so they're on their own.

We can care about the well-being of women and girls and also acknowledge that young men are struggling, too. Those don't have to be at odds."

So that's the best you can do? You "care about" girls and women but can only maybe manage to "acknowleedge" boys and men? And you still don't understand the appeal of the manosphere?

"There is evidence that men who are short or not conventionally attractive are discriminated against in hiring.

So right there - there is evidence that one of the things the incel community complains about is in fact true.

But do you even acknowledge it? Nope.

"But there's also a lot of evidence suggesting that this actually affects women more. Women who are overweight face a greater bias against them in hiring than men do, for example."

You just breeze right past it and dismiss their feelings entirely, because girls and women have it worse.

Seriously, you still don't get how we ended up with a generation of boys who think the world shits on them and girls and women get preferential treatment? Even after you just shat on them and gave girls preferential treatment?

Here's va fucking news flash, since so many people are apparentlybtoo fucking stupid to figure itvout - if you all actually cared about thecstruggles boys are going through and listened to them and took them seriously and tried to help them, they wouldn't have to turn to the manosphere to find someone who gives a shit about them.

It's not complicated, so you have no fucking excuse. Stop belittling boys and treating their problems as if they somehow don't count.

If the best you can manage is to maybe "acknoeledge" boys' problems, even as you "care about" girls', and you can't even mention a problem boys experience without immediately shifting your focus away from them and to girls, then the boys aren't the real problem - you are.

Holy shit an actual comment acknowledging the situation written about in the article?
And not only that, but showing actual empathy?
God-damn, this must be what finding actual gold feels like!
They hate women, want to rape them and remove their rights, so women, utterly predictably, hate them back. It's not complicated. Try telling black people to empathise with the poor little white supremacists more and see how far you get.
Incels aren't new btw. I tried to read 1984 recently and had to stop because the main character is an incel.
- I must've missed the part where Winston Smith hated women and wanted to rape them and remove their rights.
  Either that or you've blithely and inaccurately assigned a particularly noxious set of behaviors and beliefs purportedly engaged in and held by some members of a group to the group collectively, and thus to each and every member of it individually.
  Which is the very definition of bigotry.
- tried to read 1984 recently and had to stop because the main character is an incel.
  Back the truck up, buddy.
- Proof?
First 3 sentences I was with you all the way, then you lost me.
- There was a time in our history when instant hatred of blacks was the norm too, and people then would've no doubt also been lost by any effort to fault the haters instead of the hated.
  And before you even go there, they also would've been able to trot out a list of reasons why their hatred was purportedly justified.
  At some point in the future (if we have a future) people will figure out that boys need and deserve help and sympathy because they too face hardships, and they'll provide it for them, rather than just leaving them to deal with it on their own, then blaming them for turning to a bunch of toxic assholes who have made a comfortable living out of offering boys the help and support and affirmation they're not getting elsewhere.
  Until then, unfortunately, I expect to keep seeing a large chunk of society alternately disregard boys at best if not outright condemn them out of hand, then cry about the fact that they're turning to the manosphere for support and affirmation.
- It's not that difficult to understand

Fuck off, LLM post
What key on your keyboard did you press to write out the Unicode character U+2014, the em-dash several times?
- My guy, this was AI generated
Was this written by an LLM?
- First sentence I already thought this sounds 100% like an LLM

Fight hard in the comment section, brocels! Victory is coming!!!!!! A lot of comments here missed the point - the article isn't talking about pssy, it's primarily about job prospects. Incels are just men who fail in every way in which it's possible to fail. Lack of pssy is just a normal result of having no money, no status and no job.

a creepy tv show with a kid who is supposedly atttractively psychopathic? puhlees. you cant handle raising kids. teenages scare the shit out of me. get over it. some karen wrote that script because she had post partum depression in the 200th trimester. grow a pair skag.

The term "incel" doesn't really make sense. It's not involuntary, by any definition of the word that I've seen.

Almost anyone can find a partner simply through effort. Diet, exercise, hygiene, etiquette, dressing nicely, socializing, actively seeking a partner. Notice something about that list? Pretty much everyone can do those things. It's just a matter of effort.

Yes, there are some exceptions, for example from people with severe disability, but those people rarely call themselves "incels." The majority are people who are perfectly capable of doing these things.

If you don't practice basketball and you don't even go to the tryouts, you don't get to say that your not making the team was "involuntary."

As someone who was previously involuntarily celibate, I have to say that this comment really misses the actual problem, which is mental health. I had basically been suffering from some combination of depression, social anxiety, and high functioning autism from around age 8. This didn't leave me with much in the way of friends or social skills, but it didn't reduce in the slightest the horniness I felt.
To me, trying to figure out how to get women to have sex with me felt like dying of thirst on a desert island covered in land mines. In my constantly precarious mental and social situations, I was always terrified of trying anything because I feared that doing the wrong thing would lose me the few friends (ie, acquaintances who tolerated me) that I had. And I feared that letting on to anyone that I had any sexual interest in anyone ever - that I had any sexual urge at all - would lead to everyone I knew immediately abandoning me. And this, I was quite sure,would result in my own death via suicide. This was the case to the point that, one time, my friends asked me if I was gay, probably assuming I was closeted. They were right. I was closeted. I just wasn't gay.
So since I couldn't talk to anyone in real life about my problem, I turned to the internet. I ended up in /r/seduction and..... was immediately grossed out. It was weird and manipulative and unnatural and and just generally unappealing to me as someone who was committed to treating other people with basic human dignity. So instead I turned to the normal/liberal/leftist side of the internet, which was... unhelpful to say the least.
Saying that it is voluntary assumes that the steps needed are straightforward and obvious. But you might as well say that primitive tribes were voluntarily living without electricity for 200,000 years. After all, you just have to spin a magnet! Just put the work in! What's wrong with them?
- Saying that it is voluntary assumes that the steps needed are straightforward and obvious.
  This is a social problem, so the solution is to look at what successful people do and copy that. If that's not straightforward and obvious, then nothing is straightforward and obvious. This is exactly the same thing primitive tribes did, and every one of your ancestors did. It is a process of learning, which makes it similar to science, but it requires no knowledge that you can't get from just personal observations, completely unlike electricity.
  You say that you couldn't talk to anyone IRL about your problem, because of your social anxiety and autism, but that's also a matter of effort. Rather than working on overcoming your social anxiety first, you went straight to seduction. That's skipping all of the groundwork, and you knew it at the time. Choosing a plan that is guaranteed to fail is a voluntary choice.
I notice a severe lack of ‘working on self and mental health’ amongst other really important things that were missed in that incredibly short list. Which is the central problem with an Incel. It’s a central problem with many things.
Also just finding someone isn’t an instant sign of successful in relationships. There are plenty of dysfunctional relationships that are evidence that a person might even be more healthier alone and working on self in order to set standards on finding better relationships than just be in such a relationship all just to avoid being labelled involuntary celibate.
Personally I always disliked the word Incel as a stand-in for antisocial personality disorder. Cuz really that is what it is. Sex or no sex. They have the same attitude even if they were getting some. They just complain about the lack of sex (or have poor view about women in general) cuz that’s the only symptom they usually notice and come up against that might be hinting there is a deeper problem with themselves.
The bit you've missed off your strange list is being someone a woman would want to be around. Incel fits perfectly because they think they should just get women with no effort whatsoever.
You missed something important in that list, in typical incel fashion.

I am not at all concerned about a group of losers crying over not getting pussy.

It's much deeper than that. The brainrot thinking is affecting more, and younger, boys. To the detriment of US and world society. These boys need rescued, not spit on.
I mean, you should. Because they're gonna start organizing and buying guns

Lots of incels replying here.

Seems like a good place for them to speak up. You should really read the article if you haven't, it's good.

This young men endless Pearl clutching is get tiring lol

The prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) truthfully described the problem of inceldom:

“There are incels who were born that way, and there are incels who have been made incels by others—and there are those who choose to live like incels for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” Jesus identifies three types of “incels” here: natural incels (“born that way”), forced incels (“made incels by others”), and voluntary incels (“those who choose”).

Truecels, or the truest incels, are born with facial deformities such as lopsided faces or eyes that are too close together or too far apart... but most incels today have been created by man. It's just not possible to buy a house and have 3-4 children anymore, and most women aren't interested in it. If you're a man in your 20s and you've got good income from a job, and cheap rent somehow, then you'll likely have to wait until your mid-thirties until all the women have got the careers and promotions that they want. Then they will "settle".

It's almost as if our society is designed to create more incels. Personally I am a volcel. Society is a cruel joke and I'd rather become an orthodox priest, than work 12 hours a day in a busy warehouse, driving forklifts or carrying timber. Sometimes I question why I bother contributing to society.

Incels are a product of the Internet. Before that, we had winners and losers, and most losers weren't that way on purpose.
I'm ugly af and I've had plenty of action over the years. Looks aren't everything, bro. Be funny. Have interesting hobbies. Be deserving of respect through your own actions. Can't really stress that last one enough.
- Their first taste of incelism, was from " this pickup artist" the specially toxic ones that think women are slutty, and or the artists stalks them on camera. Now it's alpha male bs
Fuck jesus, and fuck you for following that fictional loser.
"Jesus identifies three types of “incels” here: natural incels (“born that way”), forced incels (“made incels by others”), and voluntary incels (“those who choose”)."
That's not a thing. You're just full of shit. You can't even tell reality from this bullshit religious fiction.
That's why you're a voluntary celibate. Your religion talked you into devoting your life to them. Which makes you a giant fucking loser. Because everything you dedicated your life to is just stupid religious hate fiction.
- Fuck jesus, and fuck you for following that fictional loser.
  That’s not a thing. You’re just full of shit. You can’t even tell reality from this bullshit religious fiction.
  That’s why you’re a voluntary celibate. Your religion talked you into devoting your life to them. Which makes you a giant fucking loser. Because everything you dedicated your life to is just stupid religious hate fiction.
  I don't know who is full of what or who hates who around here, but reading your comment I realize I would not like to be filled by what you seem to be so full of yourself it's pouring out of your mouth every other word.
  (Saying that as a non-religious person myself and as someone that has been happily living with his wife for the last 25+ years and counting, I mention it in case this helps you spare some insults but I doubt it will change a thing)
- I'm not religious and I've never been a member of any church. I'm quoting Matthew 19:12, it says eunuch but in modern language it should say incel.
Neet incel detected
How does not working, uh, work? Like, pretty soon after I graduated I had to have a job to pay for food and housing and a car. If I didn’t I’d be homeless. Are NEETs all homeless?
- They generally live with family. Not that uncommon in many parts of the world.