Really makes you stop and think

They also take more federal spending than they pay in taxes. The states are on welfare, not just the people.
- Red counties in Blue states are usually the ones taking more then giving also.
  
  Kinda makes me think this is why they want to give more power to the Republicans because they are convinced it's the people they elected who are sustaining them. When really they are the ones holding them down.

Conservative policies have literally never been effective either socially or economically. They only funnel money from the poor to the rich. That's it.
- I don't know, it sounds like it's pretty effective for the rich.
  
  The richest are in Blue states, since you need a strong economy and skilled workers to make an innovative company.

It's the (insert current minority scapegoat)'s fault.
- Republicans are the party of self fulfilling prophecies.
  Oppress minorities into poverty - > stop programs to eradicate poverty - > complain minorities are poor and criminal - > rinse and repeat.
  Elect corrupt, incompetent politicians - > politicians get rid of competence in government and shift money to political cronies - > complain government is ineffective and corrupt.

You forgot highest crime. Most murderers. Sure, they like to point at Chicago, but the top cities are in red states.
- Here's the top 20 rated cities for homicide. List is less simple because they take into account other factors, but Chicago is #27 (rated #13 based on solely homicide rates)
  Source (2023): https://wallethub.com/edu/cities-homicide-rate/94070
  
  The biggest problem I have with that chart is it only includes the 40 largest cities. The city I live in is in a deep red state and is run by a Republican mayor. Our homicide rate is 6.5 That's enough to put us at #20. That's worse than Chicago but 3/4 of a point but because we have a population that is a 1/3 the size of the cut-off for the chart we don't get mentioned.
  
  Isn't Washington, DC our country's capital or something? Is it #1 on the list because it has a higher rate than other places or because there is a smaller population living there, and its popularity attracts a broad variety of people who dont normally live there? Like why is usa's main capitol the #1 in the list?
  
  The article literally says "Blue Cities Have Higher Homicide Rate Problems Than Red Cities". Am I missing something?
  
  One thing to look out for: it's pretty hard to objectively compare city crime rates because the city boundaries might include nicer or worse neighborhoods that dilute or concentrate the crime rates.
  That's why DC is at the top of the list... The way the city was defined, it's the "city-est" city on the list.
  You could also look at St Louis, MO vs East St Louis, IL. would it be rational to conclude that Illinois is DRAMATICALLY worse based on this data?
- lol such great logic

Poor and uneducated people, as a whole, always more tend to vote conservative. Conservative parties around the world know this and strive for/want to keep this condition
- Is this true globally or a USofA thing? On oneside of my family the entire lineage is working class in East Scotland. THey are died in the wool Labour voter's and won't entertain any Conservatism, when Labour shifted more central under Blair etc a few switched to voting for Socialist candidates, one went nationalist, but from my understanding this is the norm there.
  
  Addendum to my other reply:
  https://www.businessforscotland.com/scotlands-people-are-the-most-highly-educated-in-europe/
  🤓
  
  I can't really provide a good source, didn't find a proper study by a quick google search, I believe it would be hard to track worldwide. But here in germany it's definitely the point with the party AfD.
  And i mean it makes sense. Right populist politicians providing simple, easy to understand solutions, that don't work or even harm their own voters, for problems that they're addressing, that they made up, blaming easy targets, mostly foreigners who didn't do shit, for it. No need to think on your own if you have a stronk Führer to follow, promising paradise for you.
  It's also easier to focus on a smaller group that you feel more affiliated, familiar with, than to think about absolute fairness on a bigger scale and make concessions. It's easier to shout "they're stealing our jobs" than thinking about being part of the problem by fucking up the economy of the country they came from. Or support the countries development, because that way they'd lose a useful scapegoat

Actual rebuttal I've been given when making this point to a Conservative:
That's just because of the black people.
- The black people which there are more of in the democrat states. Because of the evil democrats. _/s

And those welfare programs are gutted to near worthlessness.
- in their fervor, they gutted the very welfare programs they depend on
- Yet still soak up money. Almost like all the 'means testing' and like measures are just worthless expenses to make conservatives hard at the idea of poor people suffering more.

It's insane. My friend moved to Texas for work and he has had to wait 6 months for an appointment just to get his new driver's license. It's so dysfunctional. Unclear if it is by design or due to incompetence, maybe both
- Just do a walk in? You don't need an appointment it just saves time if you can plan ahead
  
  Depends on the location. The DPS license office near me is tiny, and there is a worker at the door limiting the number of people entering. As a result there is a perpetual line out into the parking lot. And this tiny office serves one of the state's most populous counties.
  So you can very well try to walk in without an appointment and wait in line for hours, only to leave empty handed. Appointments are generally 4-6 months out unless you decide to drive hours to a DPS in a rural location, which is what I do.
  The state is keenly aware of these issues. They just don't care.
  
  Yep- they're busy as hell, but it's not bad as long as you get there before they open (one place I've seen people queued up an hour before they opened regularly)
- That sounds crazy. I love in Illinois and could go to the DMV tomorrow, them again I don't live in a major city.
  
  You should love in Virginia instead. I hear that's exactly what it's for.
  
  Yeah, I just wish our state was a less dysfunctional in other ways.

Because of the democrats. Obviously.
/s
- But in all seriousness, they blame Democrats in the bigger cities of a primarily rural state.
- Capitalism favors a slight shortage against an inelastic demand, to maximize profits. Farming subsidies protect our food supply by ensuring significant excess supply during normal conditions, and sufficient food supply during droughts, disasters, and other calamities.
  However, all that subsidized excess production tanks the market price of agricultural products during normal market conditions. Any state that relies on farming as a primary source of revenue is going to be poor and heavily reliant on subsidies.

Driving through some poor rural towns in Kentucky and West Virginia is like an extended commercial for a charity. It's sad. It's infuriating. And the problems are systemic.

Because kings have to have serfs and slaves, and all the yokels think they're going to wind up the kings, they're wrong.
- Yup, you can tell who they are because they dined out laughing and having fun while.making thier constitutes stand 6 feet apart in masks unallowed to dine out. They also innovative with grat jobs for the masses like creating human poop maps. They also do so much to make sure everyone has a few feet if side walk to live on
  
  I'll tell you what, Cletus. A bunch of demonKKKrats are saying things I don't like to think about, so here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go on that there post, and I'm gonna write a bunch of stupid shit that don't make no sense! Yeah brother, that'll show them commie fucks, I'll tell you what!
  -@pasta4u
  
  I can't figure out if you had a stroke before or while writing this comment.
  
  Curious if you disagree with what was actually said in the meme pic?

For the past 60 years the majority of recessions have started during Republican presidencies. GDP growth and deficit reduction also favors Democrat presidencies.
- That has far more to do with the boom-bust business cycle creating waves of anti-tax conservative-leaning voters when markets are good and waves of pro-public spending liberal-leaning voters when markets go bad.
  Similarly, the D/R economic divide has much more to do with Republicans heavily investing in export-oriented state economies (particularly those with big fossil fuel reserves) while Democrats coast on the LBJ legacy that plays well in large urban metroplexes. So, consider Wyoming, which is practically a fief of the Cheney (really Vincent, Dick just married in) family for decades. The state is practically a company town, what with the volume of O&G exploitation that commands employment. And the Vincent/Cheney clan sits at the top of the pyramid. They're heavily invested in Republican politics, because Republicans are deeper in the pockets of fossil fuel business.
  Swing over to Kentucky, where a deeply conservative democrat Governor Andy Beshear holds office, or pop up to Vermont, where one of the last liberal Republicans Phil Scott holds sway, or pop over to New Jersey where Republicans periodically go into and out of high office because their Dem counterparts are constantly getting indicted for SEC violations and bribery scandals, you'll get a different political dynamic despite the same two parties running the show.
  Ultimately, both parties are invested in the long term growth of the FIRE sector and a US political hegemony internationally. So their policies don't vary significantly, outside of a few niche hot-buttons. Fights over abortion and the rights of trans-people simply don't have a huge impact on the state or national economies. By contrast, their alignment on education privatization and their focus on a steady return for stock portfolios means every state from California to Florida to New York to Texas has the same set boilerplate set of problems - skyrocketing real estate costs, ballooning student/medical debts, stagnant wages, decaying urban infrastructure, and enormous wealth inequality thanks to wave after wave of scams at the public and private levels.
  
  I gotta guess:
  LBJ = Lyndon B Johnson?
  O&G = a construction company?
  FIRE = Financial, Insurance, Real Estate
  SEC = Securities and Exchange Comission
- I always wondered what does president have to do with recessions or other "times" . Isn't it basically over payed position and main job is to smile at the Camera ? Otherwise it would be monarchy would it not ?
  (For the reddit like literals, it's exaggerating and oversimplification bordering joke that highlights basic point. That is a president should represent a nation not govern it ) .
  
  There's a few ways the president can impact the economy, though not by themself. Usually the majority of the rest of the government is involved too.
  The first is that the president is de facto leader of their party. This isn't an enumerated power, but traditionally the way the parties work. So the president, usually, has a lot of cooperation from their party's Congressional members.
  Second, it is generally typical for the House and Senate to switch to the control of the same party as the president. This is due to general voting attitudes, as most people vote down the ticket for their party. This can vary with Congressional term limits though.
  Third, veto power. Even when Congress and the President are not aligned, the president can veto laws that would have a significant impact on the economy. The opposition party would need a super majority to override that veto.
  Lastly, there is executive order. This can impact foreign trade, infrastructure, and regulations. Sometimes these are found unlawful by the courts and rescinded, but they can still have had an impact before then.

White supremacists - surprise, surprise - only cares about the idea of whiteness. They never actually care all that much about actual white people themselves.
It probably has something to do with the fact that right-wing ideology (of which white supremacism is merely one) consists of nothing more than excuses, pretexts and lies designed to protect and benefit power and privilege and nothing else.
- I have two half-Thai cousins who are hardcore white supremacists. It's so weird to talk to people who are so into an ideology that excludes them in particular.

I'm sure they are the freest.
- Free from tyrannical acts of the government like properly maintaining roads.
- @DandomRude@lemmy.world They are, if you're a billionaire or corporation. Billionaires and corporations have the least restrictions in red states.
  
  You may take our lives, but you can never take our serfdom!
- Freeest

Capitalism. Especially poorly regulated capitalism.

because those west coast elites

Asking the real questions.

Thanks Obama!

Because they're poor and away from economic powerhouses that exist along the coast.
- There are a lot of correlations there. Places that have more trade are typically the "economic powerhouses". Places that have more trade also have more exposure to other cultures and lifestyles tend to be more liberal. Places that are more affluent attract more people including immigrants (goes with trade) and places that are have more immigration tend to be more liberal.
  
  What point are you making? It's not a coincidence most of the economic powerhouses in the united states are around the borders.
  places that are have more immigration tend to be more liberal.
  yeah sure if you demographically replace non liberals then you will have less non liberals.

I'm sure I will get downvoted into oblivion for this, but I've gotten a pretty reasonable answer to this question from someone who grew up in the south, and was a descendent of slave owners.
A huge amount of the economy of the southern states was dependent on slave laborers, and suddenly, they were stripped of their investments into those slaves, so they were disproportionately affected economically, and have been behind ever since.
Its likely not the entire reason, but its also hard to see it not being a contributing factor, especially historically.

Over history there has always been competition between progressivism and conservatism. Progressivism has always lead to more advanced technological development, but led also to nihilism and dying off due to losing purpose and goals. Conservatism is the opposite. It stifles technological development but leads more to happiness and fulfillment by having instinctive goals that have always worked in making people happy over time.
I don't believe one should exclude the other. We should learn from both.
- You're painting with some pretty broad strokes there, buddy
  
  It's hard to paint fine lines with shit.
- Conservatism only leads to happiness for people near the top of the social hierarchy. It relies on having a large underclass.
- Maybe back when conservative meant union jobs and strong families, sure. But that's a long time gone. Everyone is struggling now.
- I'd rather not know what comes in life, than not knowing how to get the money for buying my family out of hell
- Yeah, I feel that.

There really needs to be a middle ground.. Under Republicans you can build things.. Under Democrats you literally have to hope you can afford a house while navigating a maze of regulation.
- What the fuck are you on about?
  
  He fell for the 'regulations are bad' bs. But I expect he loves minimum parking and single family housing regulations.
- Aren't Dems the ones fighting for relaxed zoning rights such as "15 minute cities"?
  
  They're fighting other Dems. Rural America already has "15 minute cities".
  
  Yup, but the problem with those is that the housing that results is always impossibly expensive..

Not sure this meme is so pronounced anymore. Link
- From your link:
  Democratic-leaning blue states tend to be wealthier and pay more to the federal government than they get. In contrast, Republican-leaning red states tend to have less wealth and receive more federal government funds than they pay. In the MoneyGeek rankings, 7 of the 10 most dependent states are considered red states.
- Thanks for the link, but it still looks relevant - see @ickplant@lemmy. world post.

If we're going to post these things post proof with it so we can actually stick it to them, otherwise I'm tired of this shit. You look stupid as fuck without the proof. I wanna stick it to them too but I'm not sure where the best place to show proof for this sort of thing is, like what official government site has the data to show this?
- There are rankings for all of this shit. You can easily look them up. They are also pretty familiar to anyone who follows politics. Can you type “states ranked by gdp” into your preferred search engine? Or “states ranked by education?” Does your mom masticate your food for you?
  
  You have to realize how stupid people are though.. most people will see this, possibly post it on Facebook or Twitter just to argue with people and have no proof of what it's saying. You're dumb for thinking this does anything without the proof being at least a damn qr code embedded into the meme. Y'all want change but are too dumb to assist in it! Put qr codes in your memes that link to the proof so it shuts these normies down that post this shit where most Republicans hang out anyways.
- Thank you for shopping for the source, and as others have said it's not too hard to use your favorite search engine to find current reputable sources.
  One that you can look into right away is: https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/
  But please do your own research and don't rely on a meme site alone... 🙂