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Are Ecovillages Impossible? | The back-to-the-land 1970s model ecovillage doesn't work for younger generations. Here's what does

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Current assessment on the status and relevance of ecovillages and regenerative villages

Are Ecovillages Impossible?
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  • That Auroraville map looks like garbage. “Progress Garden”, “Harmony Garden”, “Perfection Garden”, etc. sounds like it was dreamt up by some ‘spiritual’ type who was more concerned with hippy names than any genuine long term plan for a functioning town.

    We need realistic plans for living spaces, done with an understanding of the local environment and the needs of the people. They need to be able to evolve and grow naturally as all towns do, not be centrally planned before construction by top-down planners.

    • Thats because it is.multi religious spirtual building with a public park around it. It does not show the buildings used in day to day life. The planning is not that great to be honest, but the place is working fairly well and has some really cool stuff going on. When you make it over 50years you do have a properly working community. The real plan is this:

  • I've never heard of an ecovillage, but just from context it sounds interesting. I've been drafting a bill to submit to my state legislature, and my emphasis has been on non-market housing and housing cooperatives. Basically housing cooperatives are collectively owned apartments, where all the tenants are the collective owners and elect a governing body. There is no profit on residency dues either, making it cheaper

  • I live in a "back-to-the-land" "ecovillage". It's a disaster and not very "eco" (depending on how you define it) but would I live anywhere else? No, I love it.

    It was early permaculturalists having a shot with design and got a lot right, and some wrong. If the world didn't double down on fuel extraction with the peak oil scare, then maybe it could have worked like any small rural township but personal cars are still dominant here. It's just too far away from anything to work in that regard. A cooperative on a train line with fertile soils might be better.

    • I'm curious to hear your thoughts on what went right and what was done wrong, besides the isolation you've mentioned. It's interesting how seemingly often projects like these don't factor in the logistics of various resources they'll need.

      • The place operates under a Body Corporate (or similar to a HOA), land is held in common (600 acres plus) and freehold lots make up the rest. You pay into common land management, you can work some back.

        The best thing is the gravity fed reticulated water system fed from header tanks all at same altitude across property. It was the first of its kind designed. All houses have firefighting hydrants too. Dams are large and integrated into road surface. A recent project was Fibre to the Home done with a single pass tractor and blown fibre.

        The freehold lots should have been put into trust so they don't get bought and resold repeatedly for ever increasing prices. Originally they were $20K, now an empty lot is worth 450K and houses have hit 800K. Some lots have cycled for millions.

        Internal roads are expensive to maintain as houses are spread out over ridges, leaving river flats open to agriculture. Could a light rail make sense? A single electric bus? It was the 80's/early 90's, cars have always been front and centre here.

        Succession plans. An aged care facility should have been built, now there are people in their 80s rattling around in their houses and their lots go into disrepair. If property was held in trust, new younger owners could move in and with that, the energy to make change. As it is, most are renters and don't give a fuck, and fair enough. No one young can buy in so new owners are always old.

        Due to age, and some other factors (young people need money to work), no one volunteers for common land ecological maintenance which means barely anything gets done. Parties for personal enjoyment outnumber working bees by a factor of 100.

        It was a back to the land, not really a cooperative business, not many streams for money making that would benefit more than a few. It's just a subdivision in the bush that has a lot of plants planted in the 90s and early 2000s. It's a high mix of exotics but wildlife has returned heavily so successful in that regard considering it was degraded when they started. It's a mostly stunning place that has water needs sorted. There isn't enough money in food production to warrant the planting of food production though small successful business have come and gone in market garden, bamboo, and nurseries.

    • Can you elaborate on what else worked and what didn't?

      • I did make another reply, did you see it?

        Ever increasing transport costs and maintenance, old age succession, internal economy, constant property price speculation as per standard capitalism, landlord class/renter class, drifting ideals once the permaculture buzz wore off, weeds and other degradations.

        Beautiful regenerating natural landscape with gently integrated human habitation, rich water resources, social events, diverse exotic useful plants, wildlife, potential.

  • I keep trying to radicalize my HOA-laden friends to get some folks together and take over the boards in order to institute rules which would promote biodiversity, rather than sterile carbon copy neighborhoods.

    Instead of fines for letting plants grow above certain heights, set ones for not having enough plants. Since that's punitive and financially unavailable for some people, submit grant proposals and partnerships to have funding for additional plantings to support various threatened species or ecosystems as appropriate.

  • I prefer dreaming of self sustaining eco cities, with a tiny land footprint, so the area around it can be left to nature.

  • One thing that is not talked enough, and in fact it's not discussed in this blog post also, it's the need of staying away from parents for some time or more. Villages are just doomed to be abandoned by anyone who wants to explore any facets of society that need high density of population to be developed...

    At this point is probably easier to just reclaim cities imo, aiming for the smaller ones

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