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Longtime Arch user, first time Debian enjoyer

As the title says, I've been using various flavours of Arch basically since I started with Linux. My very first Linux experience was with Ubuntu, but I quickly switched to Manjaro, then Endeavour, then plain Arch. Recently I've done some spring cleaning, reinstalling my OS's. I have a pretty decent laptop that I got for school a couple years ago (Lenovo Ideapad 3/AMD). Since I'm no longer in school, I decided to do something different with it.

So, I spent Thursday evening installing Debian 12 Gnome. I have to say, so far, it has been an absolute treat to use. This is the first time I've given Gnome a real chance, and now I see what all the hype is about. It's absolutely perfect for a laptop. The UI is very pleasing out of the box, the gestures work great on a trackpad, it's just so slick in a way KDE isn't (at least by default). The big thing though, is the peace of mind. Knowing that I'm on a fairly basic, extremely stable distro gives me confidence that I'll never be without my computer due to a botched update if, say, I take it on a trip. I'm fine with running the risks of a rolling distro at home where I can take an afternoon to troubleshoot, but being a laptop I just need it to be bulletproof. I also love the simplicity of apt compared to pacman. Don't get me wrong, pacman is fantastically powerful and slick once you're used to it, but apt is nice just for the fact that everything is in plain English.

I know this is sort of off topic, I just wanted to share a bit of my experience about the switch. I don't do much distro-hopping, so ended up being really pleasantly surprised.

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  • To me, the best OS will always be the one that gets out of my way as good as possible. That includes stability, maintenance, compatibility, usability and sensible defaults. I don't want to deal with the OS when I'm trying to get stuff done or I'm looking for entertainment.

    And yeah, Debian is pretty good at most of those things.

    • I struggle daily between wanting exactly what you describe, while also wanting to have my grubby little fingerprints on every square millimeter of my system. I think I've found the middleground now with a portable, "lazy" Debian system, which will mostly handle lighter use, and my dedicated Arch desktop where I go full nerd mode, experimenting and fiddling to my hearts content.

    • As much Gnome can be a pain to customize, out of the box I still like it for its get-out-of-the-wayness. Tap the super key, type a few chars of the name of software you want to run, hit enter and its back to being a taskbar. Very similar to tab completion in the terminal for me.

  • The big thing though, is the peace of mind. Knowing that I’m on a fairly basic, extremely stable distro gives me confidence that I’ll never be without my computer due to a botched update if, say, I take it on a trip.

    This I find a very weird statement. Perosnally I use arch on a laptop for work and I never ran into the scenario of not having a working laptop always ready.

    1. I have btrfs snapshots pre and post update that I can roll back to
    2. I update my packages every friday in the last hour of work, where I can roll back or do the required manual intervention in peace
    3. When I have an important time period where I judt don't want to deal with it, I just don't update anything. At some point I had everything out of date for 7 months due to a big and stressful project. Once it was over, I updated as usual.
    4. Nothing ever broke since I started doing it like this and following the arch news.

    And for that I get way more packages, no missing out on the newest features and it is way easier to install anything not in the repos/AUR by creating my own PKGBUILD so that I have updates - than manually installing it on debian from make and it never updating.

    • I think point number three is likely what Deckwise is getting at. Every distro is stable when you don’t update it. I generally measure the stability of a distro on the ability to blindly update without taking out something mission critical.

    • Heavy debian testing / unstable user for over a decade here. I have never had to worry about doing 1/2/3 and I let my package manager do whatever it wants whenever it wants.

    • Imagine being able to turn on automatic updates and nothing breaking or requiring rollback. That's Debian Stable. 🫠

  • I won't speak to the distro part of this, as this is too broad a subject, and there are too many distros I like for different use cases. Now, about Gnome, which is my favorite DE, second only to Cosmic (yes, the Gnome based one), has 1 issue since version 45 that made me jump ship to KDE 6 (which I've been able to set up fairly close to how I used Gnome, with some trade-offs) and that is Gnome's choice of not allowing any Screen Shot app to work, other than their own, using the current Apple justification that "it's for the user's own security", which is complete and utter bullshit. Sure, I can force run Flameshot from the terminal, but who wants to do that? I want mi screnn shot app to work from the Print-Screen key, as it should. I do miss everything else about Gnome, for sure, but I screen shot and annotate them too much to go through all the steps that are required to make it happen in Gnome 45.

  • I agree. I did a lot of distro hopping when new to Linux to try all the desktops and have the latest apps etc. But after years of that I just wanted something stable that will be reliable and I don't have to maintain.

    I installed Linux Mint Debian Edition 6 as soon as it was released and it's fantastic. Stable Debian base with Cinnamon on top. I couldn't be happier.

    I've always been confused by pacman/arch in general and always preferred apt which I find straightforward.

    As one who worked in IT for years, I'm tired of micro managing systems and unnecessary complications. Linux Mint Debian Edition/Debian + apt just keeps it simple.

    Timeshift is a must. Creates a system restore point in the event that an upgrade goes wrong and it really works well. I highly recommend that to all Linux users.

    I also like Warpinator which is Linux Mint's version of airdrop. Works between my android and my pc perfectly.

    And there is tons of help online for Debian, unlike other distros.

  • kde debian user. I tend to go between testing and unstable branches for my laptop when i want newer packages and its been fine for a while. I run stable for all my containers and vms and everything has been great!

  • This the first time I have seen someone say apt is better than pacman.

    • Definitely didn't mean better. I actually do prefer pacman because of how versatile it is. Apt is more readable to me when doing simple things, but I do find it somewhat clunky in comparison if I'm doing anything complex.

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