"My juror": Trump believed a loyalist on the jury could save him, until the very end
"My juror": Trump believed a loyalist on the jury could save him, until the very end
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I wonder if others on the jury helped them see the light. Or maybe the nodding and smiling was sarcasm, or even intentionally trolling Trump. Fun to think about.
The thing is, you can sometimes get through to these Trump supporters if you can deprogram them from their echo-chamber... That requires very long conversations, an expose of facts, dismantling of their fallacies, and keeping them away from right-wing propaganda and peer pressure for an extended period of time.
... Which just so happens to be what jurors go through.
That's a nice wholesome take. Reminds me of this man:
Doing this right now with my in-laws who are from India and deeply Modi-fied.
If that's what actually happened, I wonder if those things stick when he re-enters civilian life to go back to having Fox News blaring 24/7.
That's exactly the kind of thing a New Yorker would do. "Oh, yeah, sure, I'm on your side, buddy, we got so much in common."
There was one juror who got their news from Truth Social and Twitter so I am guessing they were not trolling.
I would tell you I got my news from God if it meant I could put a nail in Trump’s coffin ;)
One of the jurors followed Trump on truth social, it was maybe him?
Sometimes i flip on fox just to see what the monkeys are up to today.
Dollars to donuts, that guy got un-brainwashed during the trial & isn't voting for Trump now.
Which is actually pretty hopeful. Once the dude got out of a media ecosystem telling him what to think and feel, and he was presented with the facts in an irrefutable way, he did what was right.
Right-wing media is all about creating an information bubble keeping inconvenient truths out.
"no one is the villain of their own story."
I strongly believe that the majority of Trump supporters (maybe not the supremely rabid ones) truly believe that they're doing the right thing based on the propaganda they're exposed to.
I live in a rather red area of my state and while I definitely know racists and selfish assholes (this is NY so they're everywhere) most of the Republicans i know are generally good people that are just submerged in a propaganda ecosystem. Hell one of my coworkers is absolutely a way better person than I am: volunteering and giving to charity, giving a lot of their time to others, but they're also a die hard Republican.
If anyone checks my history I say this a thousand times: I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS they are a cancer on society...
And right wing/conservative policies are all about creating a class of people in society who can be exploited and abused
Also forcing them to communicate with real people in real life makes a HUGE difference. Combine those two things and you have a potentially powerful force of deprogramming.
It's almost like forcing the Germans to walk through the camps after they were liberated... Except hopefully before it gets to that point.
God if that's all it takes.... Stick each of these fuckers in a tiny room with 11 of their peers and FORCE them to listen to nothing but cold hard facts for hours a day, for weeks, and then discuss them in person until they can all unanimously agree on our collective reality...
Maybe it's doable? God, I hate the idea of "re-education," it has such an icky, authoritarian connotation. But it's literally what these people need. Except in this case it isn't about inundating them with propaganda, it's literally just reality and irrefutable facts.
It's all about group membership.
If the people on the jury started to see themselves as a coherent group, then they can change minds and reach consensus. People listen to other people in their in group way more.
If you try to talk to a maga person, and they see you as a Outsider, you're going to have a very difficult time getting them to listen to anything you say.
We all do this to some extent.
It's just really bad currently that the maga people will look to their group for consensus reality, and they have mostly bad ideas.
I don't know how to dismantle that group.
You can't forget that any true nut jobs were weeded out during jury selection.
We don't have nearly enough sane people to do that for everyone in his cult.
Amazing, when you sit people down and force them to think, they tend to come to their senses.
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I'm not even slightly surprised that Trump doesn't know how jury trials work.
He's most likely referring to Juror #2 who, iirc, is a man who follows Trump on Truth Social and also watches Fox 'News'.
At this point, I would love again like to publicly apologize to Juror #2 for the aspersions I cast on his character during the trial. I'm sorry, dude; you looked at the evidence and went where it led you.
Brilliant move by the juror. Getting crushed is just that much worse when you have some hope.
(although I highly doubt this was a calculation by the juror and more Trump reading into something that was never there)
he did a little trolling lol
I was very surprised by this part of the article:
Trump made careful effort not to mention or criticize the jury in a press conference on Friday morning.
Someone must have hammered home how if any harm comes to a jury member that can be linked back to something he said, then he'll be in the shit
If only that person could be with him every day of his life...maybe he wouldn't be half as annoying
I guarantee they were the truth social user
If he believed that he filled a 20,000 capacity venue with 100,000 people, hell believe that he has at least 1 fanatic in the jury.
Loyalty be damned! It's the law bitch!
Maybe that's why it took 9 whole hours.
