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rtfm and other toxicity in the gnu/linux community are a microsoft psyop change my mind
- counterpoint: nerds are just like that and you and I both know it
  
  mean :(
  
  use counter terminology from something they don't know to out terminology them

Really, I think rtfm culture predates Windows by a good bit.
- the term in association with software predates windows by 6 years (1979-1985) and only 2 years for MS-DOS (1981)

Tbh I don't think Linux users should recommend Linux to Windows users. Linux fundamentally cannot replace Windows, it will never fully replicate its software support or quality. If someone tells me that they need Adobe products or other professional photo/video editors I would genuinely tell them to reinstall Windows.
- Linux can absolutely replace windows for the average user.
  
  I still don't believe Linux needs to be pushed on people and it's simply not for everyone.
  
  I know this thread is 10 years old, but still the steps “My laptop is a bit too warm” – “Scanning for temperature sensors broke my monitor” – “sudo i2cget -y 6 0x4f 176 [WTF?!] fixed it.” are really not unlikely to happen again today. I shot xOrg trying to get control over my fans just this year.
  
  Can confirm. One of my housemates gave another a laptop last month. She asked me to set it up for them, since it came with windows 11, and I have warned her about that virus. I really tried to install windows 10 on the thing, the chip set supports it, but I couldn't get past a step that needed to connect to Microsoft during the installation and initial setup. There are two more tricks I could pull to get the thing running Win 10, which are install Windows 7 and upgrade from there, or pop out the HDD and put it in my working Win 10 machine, and continue the setup using that box, but both of those seem like work.
  I ended up slapping Mint on the thing, installed Firefox and Ublock Origin, and gave them the machine. Told them to ask me if they have any issues whatsoever, and they have been using it ever since. Apparently no issues, cause I have asked, and they said nothing they needed help with.
- I mean, dual booting is an option. I can do everything I was doing in windows on Linux now. Rest of my family is on Linux now as well. Seems to be working just fine.
  
  dual booting is a horrible experience and makes Linux look bad even though it's windows messing it up
  
  VMs, too. You can use a bare Windows VM with just the 1 or 2 programs that don't work under Wine, unless they are major ones like Microsoft Office (still, LibreOffice is good enough or you can use older Office under Wine). This will minimize what the closed-source operating system gets access to.
  
  Dual booting causes issues, it often causes frustration and is definitely not great for people who don't know how to reinstall grub.
  
  The real problem is the lack of official support from companies like Adobe, Nvidia, and others that refuse to support Linux. Sure there are workarounds, but not without getting into the console which is already too much for people who are used to the drivers just downloading. Many Linux users tend to overlook how much Windows just does everything for them, for better or worse.
- As Adobe gets increasingly shitty, more and more people realize they can go without Illustrator or Photoshop, often even After Effects. Lots of users got used to them with licences they didn't pay for (at school or work) and often only use them for basic functionality, not wanting to invest the time to learn Inkscape, Krita, Blender etc. that would be adequate for their use case. However, the AI training fiasco might be the push they need.
- need Adobe products
  Just use GIMP, lol
  [My eyes roll so far back in my head that they fall out of my skull]
  
  Darktable and krita.
  Most of the time you don't even need to leave darktable. Great support for raws.
  Anything video, kdenlive is ok for quick stuff but davinvi resolve is a cut above.
  Honestly Adobe products are not great anymore. Their usability has gone down the toilet imo. xd was the last bit of interest for me, and that went to garbage a long while ago when it went paid only.
- Yeah, I agree but also stop using Adobe garbage. Too few people are even trying to break free from having their stuff used to train AI, from 24/7 surveillance by Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, etc.
- Oh, windows quality? I know you are trolling.
  
  Don't you know that you should take everything you see on the Internet seriously :3
- it will never fully replicate its ... quality
  What do you mean specifically by "quality?"
  
  The fact that Microsoft can afford to invest money into the GUI while DEs like Plasma and Gnome often receive limited funding.
- Who are we supposed to recommend it to then?
  
  I don't think it should be recommended tbh, at least not as a replacement to another operating system. Many individuals within the Linux community overstate its benefits while downplaying the downsides causing people to have incorrect expectations of Linux.

I don't think it's okay to be toxic to newbies but there certainly are cases where the solution to problems was a google search and 10 minutes of reading away.
There are a lot of community heroes out there, that spend their days supporting users in forums, without having any monetary benefit from it, that in my opinion may have a reason to be upset if someone does not want to spend any effort on their own in trying to solve their problem.
- IDK man. I tried Linux a few times, and it never stuck. Things don't work, it involves endless reading, or the latter then the prior on loop (where as windows just works).
  I'm trying out endeavour ATM and hopefully it will stick. But it took me a solid few attempts, over days, to find out "where does pacman get its apps from". I know the answer is more conplex, but eventually I foind and the arch web db...with the help of perlexoty.AI.
  I didn't realise it was different than the AUR web db look basically identical. I never noticed the URL difference. As far as Linux has come its still little frustrations that hold it back for even semi tech literste pople.
  I'm trying to save from posting in forums (and have rooted a few androids with less than a handfull of posts) but I can't even work out from the wiki how I can give pacman a list apps to install when it's spaced out on each line, without making it a .txt file. It's pretty impossible to "just read" and work out simple things.
  Maybe it's just like my opinion. (I am liking endevour so far).
  
  Getting Arch-based distro as a daily-driver feels like a very strange choice to me, however I should admit that I still use Arch-wiki as a first source of help in case I encounter any problems. But if you like Endeavour, good for you! I should probably check it out too some time :)

Is no one going to ask wtf that picture is? Looks like something you would see under an electronic microscope.
- it's a zoomed in 3D laugh cry emoji
  
  Oh Jesus. It's even trippier now that I see it.
- 😂
  
  this one specifically
- Also, nobody mentioned it, but it's a combination of 😂 and the eyes from 😳
- Slightly deep fried crispy meme.

The best Microsoft psyops to maintain market share and they don't get to pay anything lmao
- Nah, they're just special little snowflakes that want to maintain their niche community being a niche community, and want everything to stay the same. First time I saw this behavior were metal elitists being angry at nu metal, and at Dream Theater every time when they haven't released an album titled "Metropolis Part III".
  I also seen Linux elitists getting scared at "normies" taking away their "command line scripts", some even tried FreeBSD and OpenBSD for a while. I regularly meet Linux elitists not understanding that I want a UI for my debuggers, not an automated script.
  A lot of other communities, such as gaming, amine, and VTubers suffer from way more extreme forms of elitism, usually as a form of recruitment tactic for the far-right.
  
  I regularly meet Linux elitists not understanding that I want a UI for my debuggers, not an automated script.
  I don't know. It doesn't make any sense that someone would be against a UI for something. It is just mostly a bunch of volunteers working on their own projects. I could see a volunteer saying something like "nah, I'm OK with it the way it is" because they are working on something for free, usually for themselves and sharing it for others to use and/or contribute to.
  It seems odd that you'd complaining to some project maintainers and calling them elitists for not working on your suggestion and even odder still because I'd imagine many would be thrilled for someone to contribute to building a UI, even if it's just mock-ups. Unless you're talking about some random people in the Linux community but I don't really see any point in doing that since they probably have nothing to do with whatever projects you're talking about.
  What would adding a GUI to a command line app even change about it as far as the command line? It isn't as if you either get one or the other; you can have both. It just doesn't make sense.

Just direct everybody to Linux Mint Debian Edition for their first distro. It just feels so familiar to a Windows user and should check all boxes for people who just need a basic PC.
- The only issue is the nvidia driver. Not an issue for someone without a graphics card or using AMD. Some people might bounce off it even if it is a 5 minute thing to get working.
- IMO ublue with a plasma spin (bazzite or aurora) is succeeding mint as the best distro for windows noobs.

True. That’s how elitism online works…and the only thing it accomplishes.

The worst part is they are so up their own ass nothing you say does anything. Maybe because I'm young but I don't know why I try to explain the reason I'd help someone with their issue.

False, I tried pop!OS nearly 5 years ago then Debian then arch and have been here for ~4 years The community is what made it possible actually
- False. The community isn't a single person and different people will have different experiences.

I can not figure out how to get a vnc server working on Pop_OS 😢
- Go back to windows noob
  /s
- TightVNC is fool proof.
- What's giving you trouble? The Arch wiki is recommended for everyone, some things you have to make a little different but the general instructions should work.
  
  I'm trying to run a headless Minecraft server, but I didn't know the terminal well enough to run the server without the GUI. When I unplug the monitor from the computer though, I lose the video in my VNC viewer too. Windows would run the desktop all the time, even without a monitor connected, but it looks like the default behavior in Linux is to shut it down when there's nothing connected. I've been trying to find workarounds to make the computer think I have a monitor plugged in all afternoon, but none of the things I've tried are working.
  On the other hand, after 4 hours of trying things, I figured out the terminal well enough to start the server over SSH, so the outcome is the same I guess
- How about with sunshine/moonlight or Steam?