"Learn history"
"Learn history"
https://lemmy.world/comment/3295001
I'm starting to notice the half of Lemmy not federating with Hexbear is even more reactionary on average than I thought.
Say it with me now:
You can't invade your own country
Literally "The War of Northern Aggression" horseshit
Sweatie you don't understand, 2 US officers with no knowledge of the region just decided to arbitrarily divide it up to CREATE 2 countries (and have Japanese officials that had just fucked up the region govern the Southern one)
Perfectly normal stuff
The “learn history!” In a completely ahistorical post is one of my favorite genres of posts
Especially when it isn't "learn history" so much as it is "Ignore every part of history that conflicts with my simplistic pop-culture view of history."
Imagine if, during the American civil war, Britain came in just as the south was about to loose, and then burned down every single structure in the north and killed 20+% of the population. Then went on to tell everyone how the North were actually the bad guys.
wuddabowtesm
Permanently Deleted
genocide is when there's camps
Uyghurs? well, there's camps, so it's genocide
dropping over half a million tons of bombs, deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure until you've basically razed the entire country to the ground and bomber pilots end up just dropping their payloads on random fields since there literally isn't anything left to bomb? no camps, so it's all fine, just a bit of collateral damage
By any normal person it is. By the people who are propagandised on "north korea" it's fine because they're the enemy and barely considered human.
Permanently Deleted
and that's a pretty conservative estimate tbh
people won't call it genocide if they don't ever learn the history of it in the first place
never ask what was going on in the south when the north crossed the 38th parrallel
Just because the regime lead by an ultranationalist nutball was killing everyone to the left of Hitler doesn't mean anything
The more I learn about actual history, the more I realize that History ™️ is a lot like relying on cops body cameras to learn what happened:
"repression by Syngman Rhee?"
Camera was switched off"Jeju Uprising?"
Camera was blocked by my uniform"When the South invaded the North?"
Camera was malfunctioning"When the North continued south to liberate it?"
When they violently invaded without provocation? I guess it was just a loose connection 'cause we got great footage of that!I would support the North liberating the South even on the simple basis of the US colonial takeover of the latter. That said, did the South really invade first?
Amerikkka draws a big line down the middle of Korea with a crayon
🇰🇵🇰🇷 
KOREA HAS INVADED ITSELF AND IT'S UP TO AMERIKKKA TO SAVE THEM FROM THEMSELVES BY
checks notes
INVADING, GIVING MONEY AND WEAPONS TO A FASCIST DICTATOR WHO COLLABORATED WITH THE JAPANESE, AND LEVELING ALL CITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE NORTH AND PURGING SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS/ANARCHISTS FROM THE SOUTH AND TURNING THE SOUTH INTO A VASSAL STATE AND GLORIFIED UNITED STATES MILITARY BASE AND PRIVATIZING THEIR ECONOMY AND....
Liberals: This is progressive and defensive against proletarian imperialism!
Amerikkka draws a big line down the middle of Korea with a crayon
This is reductive. The line wasn't unilaterally drawn by American troops, it was the agreed-upon meeting place for the US and Soviet allies. Then the US wouldn't play ball with organizing free and fair elections (they insisted on banning left-wing parties).
Far more productive in talking with Liberals is bringing up that North Korea was the higher GDP, higher life expectancy, and whatnot up until the 90s, and that it was
checks notes
The collapse of Soviet economic support and the end of the military junta in South Korea that is to blame for the DRPK's woes, not it's socialism.
They probably also think the Irish invaded England
If Ireland wasn't lawfully England then why did English nobility own all the land?
I saw this and gave him an upvote in solidarity. I was gonna comment but don't really wanna deal with contrarian bullshit stress today.
I'm reading Killing Hope in chunks and according to that text, it's unsure who did what to start the actual Korean War but it sounded a lot like the whole ass scenario was basically a powder keg waiting for any spark.
I've also read that a majority of the population was for communism.
I also read that McCarthy tried to unexist all of North Korea until China intervened since the US was shitting all over their doorstep.
People say "learn history" as if there isn't 4 different accounts depending on what narrative you are after.
Like sure guy, what history do I need to learn to satisfy your western take on a situation that happened on the other side of the planet 40 years before you were born?
Even if they did do an invasion, the proportional response is not deliberately firebombing every man, woman and child then bragging about it. That's literally just genocide.
and that's without mentioning the biological warfare
im gonna declare a new country called 'Sink TERF island' in Essex and claim England invaded it so america will go to war with england. Wish me luck!
"Invaded the South"
"Liberated the South"They literally invaded for no reason. Just like the Fire Nation or the orcs of Mordor
I'm sure there's a Harry Potter analogy too
Yeah they got pushed to the other big instances when we got ml and ee.
It would be cool to press into one that is pissed about it’s Nazi problem and wants to do something about it (beehaw, maybe blahaj).
Both of those spaces literally don't want us there despite the fact that it's INCREDIBLY obvious that when you purge the left from your spaces you inevitably shift absolutely all participation in your space massively rightwards along with kicking out all the people who are actively involved and motivated to counter the far right.
They did this to themselves.
a fella can dream about joining hands with the libs can’t he…
history started in June 1950
In North Korea: First Eyewitness Report by Anna Louise Strong
Also this monstrous war by Wilfred G Burchett
uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire
Any good documentaries on the Korean War?
Blowback season 3 is great if you like the podcast format
Thank you
Permanently Deleted
Appreciated
It should be telling that even as North Korea is public enemy today, the US doesn’t mention the Korean War at all other than “the north invaded the south.” It’s called the forgotten war because no one wants you to know why North Korea is like it is today.
