What's your hot take on the Marvel cinematic Universe?
What's your hot take on the Marvel cinematic Universe?
Mine is that the Disney+ shows should not have any impact on the movies, that they should just be on their own.
The MCU should have ended a little after Endgame. The MCU Earth is now fundamentally different than current Earth to the point where it is harder to write resonant stories in that Earth.
That the MCU had to reach into the idea of multiverses is a symptom that the plot baggage of the MCU is now a drag on the franchise.
Not really a big reader of the comics, but from my understanding the multiverse isn't really a fringe topic. Seems like it's been a pretty central aspect of the comics for decades.
It has been. Because that's how story lines keep rolling. Letting death get in the way of the story is just a detail we can worry about another time.
They made a pretty good comic-accurate show about a big green lady and a few million extremely online teen boys had their penises fall off. RIP.
I also enjoyed the Captain Marvel movie, and even the Marvels was pretty decent compared to the rest of marvel's recent crap. But they have female leads, so I guess they're tainted with original sin.
I felt like she-hulk could have been better. Maslany is so good, but the writing ended up being kind of bland. I guess I'd call it pretty good, too, but there's a caveat. I also had no idea there was internet drama; that's funny stuff.
They are extremely boring with little to no real threat and tedious fights where you know who's going to win anyway
Character development? Probably the only actual thing that dies
With the first wave of movies I was really excited and enjoyed them immensely. Now the novelty has long since worn itself out. The cinematic universe plot is convoluted to a point of blandness. The multiple universe angle is stupid in comics and aggravating in cinema. The streaming series (across the board) instead of getting me interested in the movies has instead inoculated me against all of the Disney IP''s.
Not exactly Marvel related, but I'm an adult now. Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?
Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?
They're rare but are out there. I watched I Saw the TV Glow last weekend, really really nice film.
I will back this recommendation - it felt like I finally began to understand the trans struggle with this well made movie. Plays like a fever dream and hits like a truck.
The only hot take for these types of surveys is: i don't hate them.
What ever the subject is doesn't matter. When you ask a group for input on their "hot take" devolves into a forum to shit on whatever the topic may be.
So my hot take is: I enjoy some of the movies while others I do not.
Right answer.
Marvel movies are mostly dogshit. The Marvel multiverse is just an excuse for them to keep churning out dogshit movies indefinitely cause "LOL MULTIPLE UNIVERSES MAN, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, NO NEED TO RETCON"
Yeah, it is kind of a plot hole cheat code, but I'd rather they come up with fun new ideas under that premise, than just keep doing the same thing, or half-assing retcons like soap operas do. (That was actually Steve's evil twin the whole time, and THIS is the real Steve)
The actual hot take is that most of these movies are actually pretty good in the context of their correlation to source materials. As critically acclaimed movies: debatable; but as an adaptation? Unbelievably they tie a really neat rope around a hodge podge of different ideas and oddly make it work.
The truly hot take is that these movies serve there purpose well and do a great job being a vehicle for the story in the comics (sometimes)
It's always been garbage. Not this multiverse or after im3 or whatever. The movies have always been trash.
I feel the same way. I don't mind anybody liking them, but I just don't see the appeal. To me they're so tremendously boring that I can't stand watching them.
The MCU has run out of steam after they got away from the A list heroes. It's not that B- or C- list characters can't do well, it's just that it takes a talented writer/director to do it with a good movie, and Disney/Marvel just isn't capable of getting that consistently on their own, they're too safe & corporate. They're just trying to recreate what made the original MCU run successful, but we've already seen that. I don't know that there's necessarily "superhero fatigue", though trends in movies & pop culture come and go, that's inevitable, but for me it's more been "bad writing fatigue", I'm just sick of their lazy ass shit writing, it's insulting and I'm tired of being treated like that by the MCU.
The MCU did great with Guardians of the Galaxy, which were C tier at best.
I'm not sure how much credit Disney should get for that compared to James Gunn, considering they fired him and he was able to turn Suicide Squad into a hit as a result.
James Gunn did great with Guardians of the Galaxy. I'm not sure many others could've pulled it off as well.
When the MCU started I don’t think people considered Iron Man, Captain America, Thor as A list. They were just the properties they weren’t able to sell off yet. Doing these movies was a big gamble. They needed to succeed so they put their best effort into them and it paid off.
They kinda ruined it with the multiverse. Everything feels without consequence. Death is meaningless and there are no stakes now
I enjoyed the MCU up until Age of Ultron. The movies are almost all from the same mold, just with different names and look and that was true even before the first Avengers film. But it was new back then. The newness has worn off and it's way past time the MCU evolves, or retires.
The exception are the Guardians of the Galaxy series. They are better made films that actually made me feel invested in the characters. The beginning of Guardians 3 is probably the best scene in the entire MCU.
Age of Ultron is where I started to check out too.
The last MCU movie I watched was Black Panther (the first). I enjoyed it well enough compared to the recent fair that I decided to go out on a high note.
I'm sure this is a hot take with how common I see the shit talking about multiverse being lazy.
The multiverse idea is dope.
It's only the way they have been using it that sucks.
Into the Spider-Verse did it right. The comics have done it right. Cartoon series from the 80's and 90's did it right. The current MCU era is using it wrong.
Overall? Meh.
I don't hate it, but they're not great either.
Superhero movies are big budget police procedurals where the goal of the heroes is always to protect the status quo.
I think the magic is gone - now the shows and movie lack the flair and excitement of the previous era. Now it feels like the we don’t need x, we have x at home meme.
They pushed the stakes so high that when the fights are just everyone punching and kicking each other it's stupid and silly.
It always makes me think of the reenactment of the battle of Pearl Harbor.
It should end.
Wait ten years, form some sort of idea and come back to it.
lol it seems like my hot take is that I still like it. 🤷♂️
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Didn't mind Quantumania. It was fine. The writers clearly don't know what either a technocracy or socialism is but that was the only part I had beef with.
Fucking Google the words you use when you're not sure, jeez.
I’ve liked them all, but they’re not all equal. The Marvels wasn’t exactly my cup of tea, but it wasn’t meant for me, a 40 year old dude. It was meant for young girls and I have a feeling it will be a movie looked back upon fondly by many women in 15-20 years.
Not very engaging and hard to care about the characters. They put so many characters and fight scenes that it's hard to care about a any of the even if they technically killed half of them.
The writing for Endgame was lazy crap to just let them wrap things up with an epic battle. The second they introduced time travel and said, "okay, here are our specific rules we need to follow," I just checked out. It was a lazy deus ex machina so they could just retcon all of the story lines and have the battle scenes. The battle was entertaining, but didn't feel earned. If they done something with everyone being trapped in the soul-stone or in a parallel universe it would have been so much more interesting. Like if you had both universes working together to rejoin then an epic battle, but no, let's just time travel and bring everyone back, but also let Tony keep his kid. It was just lazy.
Is there even a hot take you can have on Marvel besides "it's all very good" anymore? What you see is what you get, and I think we're all nauseous of the amount of content being shoved in our faces.
Most of these hot take threads do not in fact have many hot takes.
Reading this I feel lucky that I managed to avoid most of it
Disney did what Disney does and killed it. They always take these big IPs and then stack so much bureaucracy around them that nothing ever gets done without getting approved by a committee that is approved by another committee which kills the artists original intent and messaging. They know that they can’t get experienced and talented artists to create their content anymore because they aren’t malleable enough so they either have to shove 10’s of millions down their throat or hire some wanker off the street. Then the wanker they hire off the street is always like “I don’t read the comics, lul XD!” And they right some shitty girlboss Mary Sue movie that no one likes then call all the fans racist, sexist, homophobes. Who was Agatha all along for? Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?
Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?
Who do you think writes half the stuff on AO3? This audience actually exists, and is fairly sizeable.
If it's not for you, that's fine. But a Marvel universe intended only for teenage boy nerds is pretty dull and repetitive; the MCU didn't get that big by aiming solely for them.
And yeah, when you start gatekeeping, saying "those people don't exist" and "you don't belong here", maybe it is time to take a look at your prejudices.
The AO3 fandom checked out around the time Steve ditched Bucky and Sam.
That it's shit
Marvel was cool until i was around 12 or 13.
Later it was a little eeek.
Nowadays it's just plain sh*t.
They have good movies… for kids.
Meh. We have the Trump cinematic universe now, and it has scarier villains.
i think i have seen multiple of them, some even in theater, but the only one i remember is the first iron man one.
so my hot take is that they're... not very interesting.
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The Marvel universe is mainly there to create possibilities to make more money, not to tell a good story. Granted I have hardly seen any of the movies/series, but after Avengers I never saw a reason to. Marvel realised Avengers was good and now they pulled out as much stuff out of the universe to fill a seemingly endless stream of "storytelling".
They're consistent.
Which is not great when it comes to making compelling art (IMO), but it makes for a predictable experience with a known value which appeals to many people.
Not really my thing, but I'm glad people like it. Everything doesn't have to be for me.
Endgame is one of the worst movies of all time.
The first 30min or so were good. When everyone's depressed and before they launch their rescue mission
Finally I see this opinion somewhere! Everyone was raging about how it was the best movie ever and I was just "meh" right after I walked out of the cinema.
All the defensive I've seen basically boil down to "It's the biggest most important movie ever, it can't afford to waste time being interesting".
Cancel any movies project. And in 5 years start from 0, no connections with the previous movies.
make it a 20 year wait and we have a deal.
Multiverses and Alternative Universes are very lazy plot devices. I wish the Marvel Universe would do ballsy choices and stick to them. Like keeping Iron Man dead. You decided to kill him, so keep that choice.
That it's gotten to be as boring as the DC movies always were.
Big loud bang bang movies that do nothing more than dumb down their audience further. And the superheroes weirdly and conveniently save the status quo of an awful world over and over again.
It should be smaller, not bigger, also movies should align more with the director's vision and less with Feige's.
We need a new movie where the guy denied claim of life to CEO plays the anti hero
So...The Spectre
“Hot take”
Is this some blogger again looking to score content?
Mjolnir being something that can only be wielded by "worthy" people wasn't one of Odin's best decisions from a practical standpoint.
It went woke so it died.
Superficial take, it died because it's meaningless and soulless corpo propaganda