Someone made a nonviolent luigi post and it was deleted.. wonder why?

I think it's interesting people keep posting things about this particular person when it's likely to be filtered in all kiinds of media.
Not that I'm advocating for violence, but man, it seems like the people doing this would get their point across a lot more easily by posting pictures of groups of teens.

lol in France we got the same but it's basically just one guy who owns all the media.

Yesterday I saw clips on TV from us media supporting trump's stances on Ukraine and stuff like that. Made me quite angry because the way that the presentation of the news was set up was to influence the viewer. Nothing else. It wasn't to inform, it was to influence.
When it's about politics on Belgian nationalised TV channel, then it's always various people who share their points of view and it's more to inform than to dictate.
- MSM in the uss are owned 6-7 trump loving conservatives thats why. last years was nothing but sanewashing trump news, while ignore all the epstein investigation+ we havnt heard from mis GHISLAINE maxwell for like 2 years by then in the news, besides epstein she was the 2nd in command in relation of his operations, she knew everything that was going on, but not a peep from msm about her.

Removing billionaires is self defense, don't let anyone tell you different. They commit acts of gross violence on the general populace every single day. It's time to re-balance the scales.
- I mean. I would never do something like this. And I don’t condone it. But people are free to do with their lives what they want. We have guns to fight tyranny.

Delete reddit

Apparently, just showing an image of the guy they are pinning the crime on is violence in and of itself. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- He's just too hot. You must be 18+ to view this sexy, sexy picture 🔞🔞🔞🥵🥵🥵
  
  It's NSFW in 2 different ways

I'm not religious, but if there IS a god, he has to make luigi be found not guilty.
- he might be Jesus
  
  in that case, I hope it's jesus's second coming.

I was shadow banned from Reddit for making a not violent Luigi post on 12/23/24. My account was older and had high karma. I am grateful to have found this community. The state of human rights in the United States is bleak. I watched my mom die from early onset Alzheimer’s in our broken system and I don’t even have words for the cruelty in our system. How can corporations be “people” if there’s no way to hold them accountable for mass murder? Our system is broken and corrupt from top to bottom and somehow it’s about to get much worse. Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
- Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
  ahem The Adjuster gave us all that, Luigi was hanging with me all week
- i was banned before the anti-luigi initiative by reddit, it seems like they are coming up with new excuses to ban more and more people. so that only a small amount of users are left.
  
  I think it's targeted. They want to ban free thinkers and when new users come in, they will see a more facist base. Bet Reddit's CEO got a fat check to make these changes. I got perm banned, then 3 day ban, after the first day it just went to perm again. Total IP ban.
  Fuck Reddit and it's bullshit. Lemmy is the new home.
- My mom passed earlier this year from pneumonia. The insurance wouldn't let her stay until it was gone. So we had to keep taking her out of the hospital for a couple days, and then putting her back for the same pneumonia, it lasted for months, because the hospital couldn't fully treat it. She had to wait at home until she was able to go again, and it eventually took her. The pneumonia, stress and everything else was just too much for her heart. She ended up going into cardiac arrest multiple times and the pneumonia sepsis is listed as her official cause of death.
  Luigi is a fucking American hero and I wish more people could be like him. I unfortunately have to take care of these kids so I cannot but I will pray for whoever picks up that mantle.
  
  I'm sorry for your loss. They murdered your mother for profit and it enrages me. I've personally suffered at the bloody hands of the insurance companies as well. The insurance companies fill me with a cold deep rage. I hope all their leaders know fear before they come to their end.
  I have kids as well. I'm no longer religious but I believe in Saint Luigi and pray that others are inspired by his noble actions. Truly.
  If you're willing, please share the name of the insurance company and the CEO that murdered your mother for money.
  
  Deleted. Weird edit duplicate.
- Thanks for the writeup, I think I've been banned (edit: by admin, mods never banned me) about ten times on reddit over the years and it was always for shit you'd never get banned for on forums run by independents instead of corporations. Especially one owned by spez who idolizes Elon Musk.
  You may also enjoy SomethingAwful Forums. The $5 one time to register fee paywall keeps most jerks out. https://forums.somethingawful.com/
  Bans are public, and the mods are hilarious: https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php
  Imagine someone getting banned for lying on reddit in a Trump thread. Also, mods can add text to your public profile attached to every post you make. Sometimes it's in size 50 red text. Sometimes it's a flashing GIF calling the user a moron hyperlinked to an example.
- I've had two accounts on Reddit, one got permabanned a few months ago, and I deleted the other a few days ago. The first one was my oldest account. Over a decade old, and massive karma. I also had my own sub where I shared my writing, and had a few thousand subscribers.
  Back when that incel neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes got doxxed on Twitter, I made a joke saying "as an incel, he should be glad that women know where he lives now in case they want to share a cocktail with him", with a gif of a Molotov cocktail. Permabanned for "promoting/glorifying violence". I thought it was funny, but fine. That one is on me.
  My other account, which was seven years old and had high karma, got banned from probably half a dozen subs in the past week or so for just mentioning Luigi, or even just up voting posts and comments mentioning him. That was when I decided Reddit was no longer for me.
  It's one thing to ban someone for the kind of joke I made. While it was obviously a joke, it was still an overt glorification of violence. So I get that. But just for up voting a comment mentioning Luigi's name in a nonviolent context?
  FUCK. THAT.
  
  Totally with you. Tracking accounts and what they upvote and downvote and then banning specific accounts is pretty well fucked. All-the-while allowing and even enabling bots to flourish..... Reddit is a mostly liberal flavored Facebook now. Total trash at this point. Nearly every sub just a bot filled echo chamber inside a library of echo chambers. Almost zero critical thinking. Obvious lies everywhere that are amplified until they become accepted as truth. Just like X/FB/IG/etc.
  On a positive side the general public opinion on Reddit is mostly encouraging. It still has that going for it. But power corrupts. And Reddit is a publicly traded company now. Beholden to it's shareholders and investors. Hopefully Lemmy grows and fills that void now that Reddit has decided to side with the wealthy elite by censoring our voices. Now that Reddit is literally owned by these wealthy elite (just like all the rest) they cannot be trusted anymore.
  
  But misogynistic trolls are perfectly fine posting 'your body, my choice' etc? It's all hypocrisy.

Yeah we know, wtf am I supposed to do about it?
- You probably do more than you think. They control the flow of information because they know how dangerous an informed public would be to their interest (in keeping us in chains). If everyone understood how bad they’re getting fucked, there wouldn’t be anything left to do, the people would burn it all down.

Because they own the platform.
Hence, why Lemmy was needed.
- Lemmy's security is largely in its obscurity. If the community ever gains the degree of popularity or prominence as Reddit, it will succumb to all the same socio-economic pressures.
  Hell, Reddit's origin story isn't far off from Lemmy's. A left-wing FOSS guy pioneers a novel means of aggregating information in a relatively decentralized and community-oriented way. But then the capitalists move in, he's arrested, the administration of the site is auctioned off to VCs, and the site is slowly mutated into an echo chamber for neoliberal propagandists and reactionary agitators to scream at one another, drowning everything else out.
  Lemmyites want to believe they've engineered a technical solution to what is ultimately a socio-economic problem. The human labor that makes Lemmy work can be attacked and replaced, the communities that form alienated from one another and censored by moderators and dispersed, and the popularity monetized here just like has happened elsewhere.
  This isn't a safe social media space. Its just a lingering redoubt in an internet that's been under siege for decades.
  
  That it literally why we have Lemmy and other AP sites. Big corporations cannot take control of our spaces.
  Likewise reddit was never decentralised.
  
  As I understand it, the fediverse as a whole is composed of instances, each one communicating with whichever other instances it wishes (the instances acting as social medias of sorts). Each instance is created by people making their own thing, so if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world. Is this not the case?
  
  Reddit was never FOSS. Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
  Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better. If worst comes to wiorst, we'll find each other again.

They want to establish the narrative of Luigi-the-terrorist, but human beings know who is the reasonable one.
- human beings know who is the reasonable one
  I remember people saying that about Julian Assange and Edward Snowden twenty years ago. It didn't take long for popular opinion to turn on them, though. Just call the whistleblowers allies of the opposition party or props of an evil foreign government. Americans hate that. And the American public soured on them rapidly, as a result.
  
  I don't know where you live, but you can say that about your own context. What happened to Assange has no name, shame on the USA government! Fortunately, not all populations are equally easy-handled.
  
  That's why we need to stop relying on idols and figureheads. I dont even necessarily think we need to organize, but to act as individuals capable of operating independently from central leadership. Most of us have the same goal, after all. It's just most of us are still too comfortable or afraid to do anything, and that's because we invested too much in leaders or orgs that we watch get assassinated and destroyed. But they can't get all of us, especially if we act independently, and soon.

The monopoly men have worked very hard over the past one hundred years to stamp out class consciousness in the US. They won’t give in without a fight.
- Bootlickers is the battle ground
  If owners control them, they win
  If they gain class solidarity, owners lose

The moment Robber Barons were first stopped, they starting working to rig things so they are never stopped again.
The only way to remind them that they have no such power is the French way.
All Tesla dealerships should be on fire by now. Now protected by a wall of obese 'police' that would not pass the most lenient tests to join the police force in any country of the EU.

- Whatever your opinion on the topic, posting this kind of thing to social media is a dumb move.
  You think that law enforcement, billionaires and their security are not aware of social media and how to monitor and manipulate it?
  You're just making yourself, and everyone talking about this, a target and increasing the chance that someone kicks down your door, if you're lucky it's only the police.
  The reason that mods remove these comments isn't because they're licking the corporate boot. If you let people plan violence at your house then you're part of it. If you let people plan violence on your servers, then you're part of it. That isn't even going into the morality of what you're suggesting.
  Nobody should engage with this and it should be removed. Nothing good will come to you for going down this path.

This is really one of the biggest problem we have. They influence elections, they influence public opinion, they spin the narrative as they want.
- But have you throught about the parasite being uncomfortable because peasants meme Luigi tho?

They're scared of anything that challenges their position even subtly. So they remove posts like this to avoid questioning the narrative. Hopefully their efforts will backfire with the Streisand effect.

They'll post this on a news subreddit where they all consume said media daily and see zero irony.

Posting an image of a person who is known to everyone as the (suspected) murderer of a capitalist, whom he explicitly murdered for his capitalistic practices, and referring to a distinct but similar set of calitalistic practices is not "a non-violent Luigi post". It's not directly calling for violence, sure. But the connection is pretty clear. If the Right did something like that, we'd probably call it a ((likely intentionally) poorly disguised) dog whistle.
I'm not saying the post is evil and ban-worthy. Which side an action is done for matters. You might say, the ends justify the means. But get your terminology right, and shed the centrists' illusions. And non-violence is an illusion. This is the propaganda theatre of a class war. And Reddit is fighting for the enemy.
- Thats the point. They are banning class warfare; not violence.

If the billionaires aren't getting mad at this, they are getting something good from it. Most likely in the form of extreme tax cuts (and the moral type of fraud). They'd have less capital but more for themselves.

I so hope the jury finds him innocent. Undo past wrong doings (such as casey anthony or OJ etc)
- wasnt his arrest kinda botched, well see how the prosecutor convinces the jury to ignore that part of the trial.

Saying that the post has nothing to do with violence is pretty dishonest. Why do you think that the person who made the meme used Luigi Mangione instead of Bernie Sanders?
- Either way the post didn't explicitly or implicitly encourage violence and should've stayed up.
  Why do you think that the person who made the meme used Luigi Mangione instead of Bernie Sanders?
  Because Luigi everything has been getting censored by establishment media?
  
  I agree. At most send an advisory message reminding the poster of rules and not to post worse. AT MOST. And I say that as someone who condemns the CEO murder and I don't agree with Luigi being glorified in any way.
  
  If you think that using Luigi Mangione in a post about the wealthy and elite doesn't imply violence against those people, then we are simply going to have to disagree and I frankly think you are being intellectually dishonest.
- A person can be an idol/totem/icon of resistance. The post does not incite violence, nor does it display any violence. It does not break any rules.
  
  Listen, I don't think the post should have been removed, but I don't think what you said is necessarily true. While obviously an extreme to make my point, if there was a non-violent quote from Hitler, nobody would bat an eye when it gets quickly removed. Of course Luigi isn't the same as Hitler, but a case can be made that at a certain point the persons appearance is enough to make a statement, regardless of the quote in the post.
  Of course, it's different because nearly everyone on this platform supports the movement that Luigi represented (myself included).
- Allegedly
- Whose boot am I licking, and how? Could you be more specific?
- It made you post a comment though, would you have paid as much attention if it were yet another Bernie meme?
  For the record, I'm just playing Devil's advocate above. I agree that using Luigi Mangione in political memes inherently carries the connotation of violence.
  
  I actually commented more because of OP's insanely disingenuous take on the content. But, I don't understand what that has anything to do with my statement though. I didn't assert or deny that Luigi Mangione drives engagement. You might as well have replied to me with "llamas are pretty cute though".

It is because Spez is a corporate shill taking that sweet sweet Russian oligarch and Chinese investor money while he bleeds users and data.
- Peter Thiel is an American oligarch. He has funded reddit from the beginning. Then later on Andreessen and Altman.
  Which Russian oligarchs fund reddit? And I very much doubt the 3 hundred million from Tencent holds much sway considering how virulently anti-China reddit is.
  
  I guess that explains how disgustingly pro-Israel Reddit (or the Reddit bots) are?

Let's try the same text with a Nazi salute. Maybe even a literal photo of Hitler. I wonder if they'll stay up. (I expect they will)
- You have to use his full name “Luigi Mario” so it doesn’t get taken down.

It's not only who they serve that is on full display, it what those in power fear most
They fear it so much that they are ruthlessly crushing it across all social media platforms

I feel like the US at this point is a lost cause. The corpos have accumulated way too much lobbying power over the past few years. They will never allow real progressive candidates win major elections. Democrats now have to play the center in order to not upset the corporations. We lost our last real chance to make meaningful change with Bernie in 2016...
- Bernie in 2016
  DNC komissars denied us that because it was "her turn"
  And they have been denying pro worker candidates ever since.

It's a photo of a guy who shot a CEO and a text that basically says "there's more".
While I agree with the message, it's still a call to voilence.
- your mom is a call to violence

I fuckin hate that people use Luigi's picture for causes he wasn't (allegedly) explicitly championing even when I agree with them.
Quit making Luigi Mangione your mascot.
- Why?
  
  I think it's shitty to put words in people's mouths.
  Why do you think that's a good thing to do?
- Thats why this post was interesting. It had nothing to do with luigi or violence but they removed it anyways.
- You should feel bad for being this awful at trolling

Not saying it's wrong, but the comments here look as much like an echo chamber as any other I've seen.
- Says the guy who makes Linux hate communities and bans anyone who comments in a way they don't approve 🤣
  
  Bootlickers mate... Every single time
- Funny discounting consensus as an echo chamber
  
  Funny how you dismiss it as consensus.

pRoMiTInG VioLence

NGL if ya'lls ability to make rational appeals inherently relies on Luigi Mangione worship then you're going to have a very difficult time just in general.
Even just using the un-photo-shopped Bernie Sanders original could swing the bias almost 50% in your favor when approaching the general public with your ideals.
Everybody loves Bernie. Only 18% approve of what Luigi did.
- In your link below, 18% only includes "strong positive". Why exclude "somewhat positive"?
  Edit (correcting numbers as pointed out): 31% positive, 41% negative for the under-45 respondents. 19% positive, 61% negative overall.
  
  Why exclude “somewhat positive”?
  Because they're making their argument in bad faith, or they stopped after getting the part they wanted and didn't bother looking any further.
  
  It's actually 19%, including both levels of support. Reading is hard for people I guess.
  And for the record, 61% held a negative view. So OP is completely correct here.
- Last numbers I saw in that kinda world, where very much higher then 18% not sure where you are pulling that figure from?
  
  The poll which came out on December 13th 2024
  https://stratpolitics.org/2024/12/unitedhealthcare-poll/
- What are you even trying to express here? That's just childish phrases glued together.
- After all these years, people still don’t understand echo chambers.