Assassin's Creed Shadows streamer goes viral after confronting whining commenters: 'Normal people don't get upset about this sh***'
Assassin's Creed Shadows streamer goes viral after confronting whining commenters: 'Normal people don't get upset about this sh***'
You havent played the new AC because its woke.
I havent played it because its 70± dollars.
We are not the same.
I haven't played because I quit ALL video games 7 years ago. Picked up board games because instead of being "liked" playing with other people, it actually is.
There is an old man in my building, who got into video games about 10 years ago, when his wife died. When I first moved in I played games with him fairly often. After I knew him about a year, he exposed himself as racist. So I just faded away from interacting with him, too old to bother lecturing, so I just stopped socializing with him. I do see him around, and we make small talk, in the halls, elevator, etc.
Anyway, now that you have context, I ran into him in the elevator when Shadows first came out. He said he had been playing it, and asked if I had. I said I didn't then told him I was a little surprised he bothered with it. He said "Cause you play a colored samurai?" I said that I figured it wouldn't be his thing, a lot of people didn't like the idea. He replied "He was a real person, though" I told him a lot of people were mad about it, he said "it's just a game". So, if a racist, 83 year old, man didn't see the issue here, these people have to be seeking things to be mad about. He doesn't do much online though. Only social media he does is look at FB when his kids tell him they posted new pics of the grand kids, or whatever. This is purely a symptom of being terminally online.
Everything that isnt about a straight white male plowing his sister is woke
It's hard to overstate how true this statement is
Like of course racism is a huge issue in America and other European countries (not letting them off the hook here a lot of the anti woke commentary resides there) and that is where this comes from, but the outrage this game and others receive isn't organic.
So much money, effort and planning goes into manufacturing outrage that I don't believe you can feel strongly about these things and be "normal." These people are consuming media from ecosystems that are made to keep them mad and to feed them propaganda. It is no different with maga and fake news or really any other ideology that requires people to fully buy in and accept a reality that doesn't exist.
I wish more streamers had the guts to do this. Too many ride the line and just ignore this stuff. It gives the idiots permission to keep yapping about it. God at least have your mods ban people in chat for it v
If those Internet duds that get mad about black people in video games spent like half that energy being mad about, like, wage theft, we'd be so much better off.
Therein lies the point of MAGA efforts. If you keep your base punching the left then they won’t remember they’re working class, not really being crushed by the left, and may start to punch up.
They’re already too scared to do in person town halls. Even so, this steered rage is intentional.
You’re not displaced by corporate, but by immigrants, DEI, and non-traditional women.
The culture war is made up to distract from the class war
Only war is a class war. Ever and always.
Same with individuality by consumerism.
It sucks that Yasuke is still experiencing racism 400 years after his death. I'm sure he wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.
What a grim yet totally accurate way to think about it.
I can only imagine what it was like being a black man in 16th century Japan. I wish we knew more about him.
He's fucking right. Normal people don't get their blood pressure up about "black people and women?! IN MY GAMES??"
Never heard of FightinCowboy before, but this is a streamer worth following it seems. Hes gained at least one new fan and i dont even really need to see his content. Stick to righteous principles and good will come to you.
Tbf they say their main thing is Youtube with dual-streaming to twitch. I was looking them up and wondering why all their twitch vods were 5 years old lol
I've watched for a while now, he's a cool streamer.
Shoutout to his MH Wilds build and weapon guides
If the bigots are hating Assassin's Creed and it makes news, then that means it's officially good. If it was bad, thr bigots don't make news since they get drowned out by everyone else saying it's bad. It's my new metric for whether or not something is worth watching/playing.
I, unironically, use this as a way of finding movies, TV shows and games that I might like.
If you go on RottenTomatoes and look at the critic score vs. the user score, you can really tell a lot.
For example, if a movie has a very low critic score, and a suspiciously high user score, it's most certainly religious drivel created to push a narrative. If you click on the reviews, it will confirm it. Every time.
Conversely, if a movie or show has a very high critic score, and a suspiciously low user score, it's going to be because of conservative snowflakes getting triggered. Again, reading the user reviews confirms it every time.
In the case of the latter, it almost always means I will enjoy the content. So I will seek out movies and shows that have that discrepancy.
Even taking hyperbole into account, this is not a great metric and has not been bourne out in my experience.
What's a suspiciously high and low score?
so... thoughts on the last jedi?
IIRC, academy bait also tends to have the high critic score low(er) user score complex.
Well, it depends on how recently the content has been released. If it's recent, you can't use user ratings because it could be review bombed. But if some time has already passed, user reviews with time even out and settle on their true score. For me, user scores are always the most accurate.
If there's anything I've learned in social media over the past few years is that every wrongdoing can be blamed by the opposing political party. It's just so simple.
There has been a bunch of media that warranted legitimate disdain, however the anti-woke angle was the biggest focus
cant wait for elder scrolls 6 to come out and have people mad because its based in hammerfell 😂
Can you imagine the outrage if they simply remade Morrowind?
"Bethesda has gone woke! Not only did they make the elves dark, but they made those same dark elves the slave owners! Literally unplayable!" Even Vivec having two different skin colors would melt their minds.
Just about everyone wants to see themselves in the main player character of an RPG. It’s one reason character creators exist. Why we can choose between male and female Shepard and then toggle their appearances. But why is it white men yell the loudest when they don’t see themselves in a fixed main character?
It’s a valid question. Sure there was an ask for female assassin play, but it wasn’t anything like this crude, angry, and off the rails epidemic we see far too often. Why is this population so loud and rage filled?
I happily play Witcher, and enjoy Geralt for who he is, including those tired sighs and the long hair that blows in a wind that’s not there. Geralt looks like he’s been torn off the cover of an old bodice ripper novel, which is a bit of an eye roll but adds to the humor. Even so. As a woman I had no problems with it or the game. I’ve played W3 through twice.
Enter Ciri as the main for the next game. Suddenly there’s a huge problem even though she’s the logical next Witcher. I’d like to know how she plays as a character outside the premade with gimped UI. The preview to 4 was nicely nuanced as well, a lot of detail packed into that clip apart from just simple spooky monster fighting. She clearly has a chip on her shoulder about life choices, and fair enough given her history.
Again, no raging outcry regarding Geralt or the way he looked for 3 installments. Now there’s outcry.
I’m not Japanese or Black and yet I’ll happily play this latest AC (but only after its old and goes on sale).
I always wanted to see anything else. I'm a human male every day. Give me a female and/or an alien or some other strange thing. Let's be different!
I never understand this need for people to mimic themselves.
I made my character in XCX a woman for the same reason. I'm a boring ass white straight cis dude. Games are a fantasy and escape from real life, maybe I wanna play as a chick or black guy or trans person or alien or something, fucking who gives a shit. I played Persona 5, and I wasn't mad that I'm not actually a 16-year-old Japanese boy.
Same, non-cis white guy but I usually pick the not-me main character when given a choice. In Pokemon I'm a chick, in Stardew valley I'm a black chick, in Orcs Must Die 2 I'm the sorceress.
What kind of egotistical fuck chooses the "me" character every time
That's how I see it too. It's fun experiencing different things.
White, cis, and male has been the default for hundreds of years. When a piece of media presents an alternative, some white cis males consider it an attack on their very being. They see faces that are not their own and think that this ‘correction’ of centuries of oppression means that the media is saying that being white or male is inherently wrong.
It’s narrow-minded and selfish, but in a way that’s akin to a toddler who has never had to share their toys before. Hopefully they will eventually grow up and understand that the world does not revolve around them. They’ve just never had to experience that fact before.
I do recall some people being upset that they basically "yassified" Geralt from the witcher 2 and onwards. According to the books he's supposed to look "weird" or something like that. Like, not repulsive but definitely not sexy, with slightly "unnatural" proportions and beast-like traits, etc. Which I think they nailed in the first game, through the low definition textures and models probably help a lot with the uncanniness.
I find that people crying about non-white male and/or non-bimbo female MCs are outrage tourists pushing their stupid gamergate agenda 99% of the time. At this point I don't know why we are even acknowledging them anymore.
I'm not a samurai or a ninja and it would be fairly weird to see a white man in Japan at that time especially in those roles. I don't need to see myself.
Also have these people never read a book where they aren't represented by the main character? ( pre-edit: true, they probably don't/can't read)
this is beside your point but nioh 1 had a white samurai based on a historical figure. i bet the chuds werent upset about that when it came out.
I've been listening to the audiobooks of the Witcher series and honestly it's a series far more about Ciri than it is about Geralt. Garalt is only important because of his connection via destiny to Ciri (and of course he was the main character of the short stories that preceded the longform books) but as Ciri grew up and became capable of protecting herself he became less important until even destiny stopped caring about Geralt.
Also Ciri never received the full Witcher mutations because the process for performing the mutations was lost not long after Geralt became a Witcher. She received a partial mutation via a witcher's diet at Ker Moren (i imagine that's like HRT for trans people in that the hormones are what does most of the heavy lifting, and the surgeries just round out the transition) but that's it. The rest is all her being a bad-ass on her own. I'm excited to play as her and see the kinds of bad-assery and moral quagmires she finds herself the center of
Thankfully this isn't ubiquitous, at least in my experience. The Hades franchise has its second game in beta (is it still in beta? I haven't checked in in a few months) with a female lead and I haven't noticed a peep about that. Hopefully that's not just the communities I'm part of and it's actually been received as well as I've perceived
Basically "not all gamers" but not in an asshole way haha
There’s no such thing as always or never when it comes to people, except death.
This is the only way to combat that sort of thing. To keep it from happening in your communities, to call out the people who do it and shame them, and to make it clear that this is stupid online bullshit that no one should care about. Good on him.
My first guess: racist losers are mad that POC exist and are represented in video games.
...Yep. I was right, sadly.
What makes it even more dumb is the guy they’re mad about existed in real life. Weird as fuck to care about something like that
I may be misremembering but I'm pretty sure the same character appears in Nioh or Nioh 2. A Japanese game made by Japanese developers. A cameo, but a representation of an historic figure and not some random person plucked out of historical obscurity.
I probably won't play the game because I've never really been a fan of the Assasin's Creed style but imagine getting your knickers in a twist over something that no one is forcing you to play. There are a bajillion other games. So weird.
FC has some valid points. If I was a streamer of his level, it would get old as well. Imagine streaming a game. Having a good time, doing your thing. And then a bunch of people come into the stream. Voluntarily come into the stream. No one made them join his stream. And then stay there to complain about the game. Or the stream. Or one persons opinions. Like this random person, decided that they are going to go out of their way to complain about something they don’t like. And just bitch and complain about something they voluntarily decided to partake in. People need to find new hobbies and better ways to spend their time.
i dont get why you go out of your way not to mention the complaints were racist in nature. its not about some people complaining they dont like ac because its a mediocre franchise when it comes to gameplay or smth like that.
Thought it was implied in the article. But my bad. The comments he lost his shit over where people being being super racist cunts.
The streamer wasn't "using a megaphone" - these losers weren't yelling back at a guy on the street , they were *going out of their way" looking for people playing the game so they could join and bitch about the existence of black people.
Maybe let's not tolerate bigots.
So the people being racist, it's not them, it's the guy playing a game that has races people don't like.
Game is fine so far.
People get all in their feelings over a game. A story. Would they get this worked up over a book? These people have to bitch about something to feel alive.
I feel alive taking in a game how it was written and designed to be played. I don't worry about cultural norms or other petty bullshit. Enjoy the gameplay, the world design and a new experience.
Now, give me a Black Flag sequel with a female lead, a revamped ship combat and more pirate comedy. Top it off with some lesbien romance and outfits. Just to piss off the Republican snowflakes.
Ship Blackbeard and Captain Morgan. That would truly piss them off. A lesbian romance only brings performative anger because they're hoping for porn.
This dude is so fucking based
And his followup video is great too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yentXt8qVvs
Damn that was excellent, great points from Cowboy.
Perfectly sums up this whole, sad phenomenon of people getting angry about nothing.
He absolutely is.
How many people raging about this probably played the shit outta San Andreas. Oohhhhhh but that's okay cause it fits their stereotype?
Dedicated to the person complaining about racism against Japanese people under a post about how nice trees and hills look in AC: Shadows.
Thanks, that wasn't the place at all for that <3
I wonder if PCgamer knows what "going viral" actually means...
It’s the magic word that makes any story seem more significant than it really is.
Its PCGamer. What do you expect?
I've been watching him for a while now for his Souls-like playlists. He doesn't really like playing Assassin's Creed type games but he'll do it out of popularity. Funny that this is the game he's going viral for.
Never heard of this guy before.
He's got a new sub now.
Fucking spot on bro.
I would be doing the same, but I decided to drop off fascist Twitch - just YouTube streams, and whoever cross-streams to Noice for me. (And, the latter doesn't have ads!)
He's famous for the souls walkthroughs, my elden ring platinum award is more his than mine.
Fuck yeah, FightingCowboy!
Sad to see that once again the nuances of the eastern perspective gets drowned out in the sea of tears western toddlers make.
Japan has every right to be upset about this game. Ubisoft has shown blatant disrespect towards the Japanese culture, history, and people.
But western eyes can't see culture; only color and gender.
And yet, famous Japanese creators don't understand the hate, and see it as a vocal minority. https://www.dexerto.com/assassins-creed/legendary-japanese-dev-says-normal-people-dont-care-about-assassins-creed-shadows-controversy-3168442/
Japanese creators do not speak for the Japanese people. I could use your Asmongolds or Hasans to straw man any single argument about the West.
It gets better.
"Japan" isn't a monolith. And how would we feel if Americans got upset at spaghetti westerns?
Wow fighting cowboy is like the only streamer i watch. Imma have to go look this up
A lot of the hate was also from trailers showing off completely fucked bugs. Floating and/or frozen characters, unloaded assets, etc technical disasters
Sure, but that's not the hate being addressed here. Those were comments specifically about there being a black guy as a main character.
The fact that it's a buggy barely playable mess is par for the course for Ubisoft.
Yeah its an ubisoft copy-paste game. It is a bad game cause they don't make any good games.
But american conservatives are mad that some shitty ass sci fi slop game from a terrible developer is not 100% historically accurate since they want an samurai to be white texan instead of black.
Also I'm pretty sure that the black samurai in the game is an actual real, historical figure. Or at least based on one.
Which makes it all so much stupider. It's not even about race swapping, it's literally people upset that the main character of a video game is black.
Why hate a ubisoft game for having a historically accurate black dude when ubisoft games do plenty of other legitimate things to earn hate?
I feel like a huge portion of corporate America has adopted the following strategy:
Like at this point it's on me for engaging with these posts I guess.
Stick some culture war shit somewhere in the product
you mean minorities?
Bad take. You started from the assumption that normal people care about this shit. They categorically do not.
Watch cowboys video that /u/Noxy@pawb.social posted in this thread. He explains far better than i can that if there's a grift, it's from the people who make money manufacturing outrage.
PS i never knew cowboy was fucking jacked holy shit lol
It couldn't possibly be that making video games at that level is immensely complex and that normal people don't care about your "culture war".
Nope. Never. It's all a giant scam just to make racists angry.
It's a giant scam to get people to defend low effort mediocre content.
It worked for a while, because there was 100 percent a subset of people who just bought games because of social media hype. The combination of the changing media landscape and economic environment has resulted in this falling apart.
French Companies: Now American!
I mean yeah honestly a huge part of European national identities seems to be getting subsumed by philosophies that originated and primarily exist in the US.
I'd imagine that Trump serves as a wake up call in regards to that stuff, but at the end of the day I'm not French.
Honestly? I kind of see it.
Not to be confused with art where the "culture war shit" (as you put it) is central to the project. See: the new She-ra. Celeste. The Owl House. In these projects, the story is actually about marginalized people.
But other times? It's pretty easy to make your movie, show, game, whatever and then add in some token representation at the end. Rainbow capitalism at its finest. And then people will take sides, not based on the merits of the thing itself, but based on what "team" it looks like they're on when they defend or criticize the thing. See: Starbucks. Disney. Target.
Or, on the other side of the aisle: Christian music. Christian movies. Literally all of the Trump merch. Black Rifle Coffee. Chick-fil-A. Every Christian college ever founded. Whatever fucking show Tim Allen is in this year, they're basically all the same. Any cop show.
... still racist to review bomb something just because a black person is in it. But I do see your point - capitalism be pandering. To both sides, usually in different ways.
Sure, but the vast majority of people realize what's going on if an IP starts rambling on about freedom, Jesus, or the thin blue line. You can make comments about those things being transparent pandering and the overwhelming majority of people will just believe you.
Meanwhile up until recently that wasn't really true with liberal pandering, and it still isn't in a lot of spaces.
One thing to note is that I disagree with you on using Chick-fil-A as an example. They are true believers when it comes to this stuff, and half their claim to fame is being good to such an extent that liberals eat there anyway.
“Why did you put transgender people in this thing? Why did you make it divisive?”
“Wait. Walk that back. Why do you think that adding transgender people makes something divisive?”
The bigotry is hidden in the questions, but they’re not hiding so successfully anymore.
Until Ubisoft, normal people didn’t have to worry about their game libraries being ‘updated’ into obscurity.
Now? If there is an opportunity to attack Ubisoft I take it. Until they die or change course to being pro gamer I will not stop for they have assaulted what I love, gaming, in the name of greed and control.
How does this relate to the article, or the situation with the streamer? Sure, dunk on Ubisoft, but maybe not about a black historical figure being black.
Because I want Ubisoft done with I am tired of hearing their cries.
Yes, if you really wanna go there Ubisoft does deserve shit for putting a black man in a Japanese creed when every other AC game featured historically unknown natives to the lands (main characters, not the overall cast) they were in and having him fuck the empress is incredibly disrespectful to Japan. Not to mention it’s a bit weird and specific that Ubisoft keeps including the fantasy of cucking the king in their games.
This wouldn’t matter if Ubisoft wasn’t so disrespectful and shitty. Playing Yasuke in a samurai game is an interesting premise but making that an AC game feels wrong and so does letting him fuck the empress. Ubisoft choose to be edgy and disrespectful instead of good and with this game and their reputation is only getting worse.
So Ubisoft good now? After years of Ubisoft sucks. New game comes out, their good again. I don't get you people.
Will have fun level grinding. No, I'm sorry. You can go to the in-game store and pay $5 to skip the grind. Man, I love Ubislop. /s
Not liking racist ≠ " I love [insert corporation here]". More than one bad thing can exist in the world simultaneously.
"Normal" people mindlessly buy AC whenever they release a new one, despite most of them being the same mediocrity each time. One or two get mentioned as people's favorite and the only games they can even recommend in the series, again, despite there being numerous games. People also shouldn't be upset when an objective mediocrity is noted. A small release window between games is one such factor. But this is what people want. So, enjoy!
read the article before you type out a comment under it maybe. hint: you missed the point entirely.
I figured I might have. I just wanted to note the past of the AC series.
I mean, yeah, apparently it is what people want. It isn't what I want, and so I just go and do something else. What I don't do is go off and get mad at Assassin's Creed, or at the very concept of Assassin's Creed. Just let people like what they like, I dunno, sounds good to me