chapotraphouse @hexbear.net Posadas [he/him, they/them] @hexbear.net 8 mo. ago

putting my hand on the lathe In Dune Messiah, they're going to replace the part where Paul compares himself with Hitler, and have him quote the victims of communism propaganda.

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Does Hitler even register on the scale 8000 years later after events like the Butlerian Jihad?
- Not really, when Paul makes the comment the people around him have no idea what he is talking about
  
  As I recall it was him teaching back into his own genetic memory and recalling something that would be for the benefit of the reader, while also demonstrating the gulf between him and Stilgar
  
  Maybe third reich guy becomes an archetype that replaces the current roman empire guys.
- The Jihad wasn't originally even a war, that was some bland Skynet ass shit the author's son put in. The Jihad was originally a philosophical reckoning of the dependence on machines humanity was developing and a rejection therein. Dune still has computers and technology far advanced compared to what we have but nothing that thinks like a human.
  
  All of which makes more sense when one remembers Herbert lived in a pre-9/11 world where the people who knew the word Jihad would also know it means struggle and doesn't necessarily refer to a holy war.
  
  It's still wild to me that the successors actually made the Butlerian Jihad about a war with AI. I thought it was quite obvious that thinking machines didn't mean machines with thought and cognition, rather they were simply tools that reduce the amount of thinking people did.
  
  Sounds like the usual late 60's concern with bureaucracy and standardization.
"There's another Emperor I want you to note - a Vladimir Putin."
- Wait I thought Vladimir Harkonnen is the Putin of Dune’s universe? Is he the descendant or something? I’m not familiar with the lore.
  
  The origin of the name Harkonnen is Härkönen, a Finnish name. Herbert apparently saw that name in a phone book and thought it sounded Soviet. As always, libs do no research and just assume whatever the fuck they want.
  
  he's not russian, he's just vaguely russian-coded to sound evil. he is evil, yes, but also herbert felt like painting him russian for reasons... he failed a bit because harkonnen was taken from a finnish surname afaik.
He's going to compare himself to Trump
- Orange man bad. Orange planet bad.
Are they really adapting this one?
- iirc, Villeneuve is planning to make a trilogy of these two films plus Messiah.
  
  I'd heard that, but not whether he'd gotten any produced onboard.
- It's the next in the series, and Anya Taylor-Joy was brought in for a 30 second cameo in the latest one (as a character that presumably plays a bigger part later on), so yeah I think it's safe to assume they're going to keep going.
  
  holy shit that's awesome. I enjoyed reading Dune Messiah quite a bit.
Paul: Wow, I killed almost as many people as Mao Zedong!

Stilgar: Well, THAT just happened.
In this one instance I will unironically just shrug and continue to eat the slop

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