Relative to how much other violence is normal in this shithole it definitely is astonishing how people only go after soft targets. A nation of cowardly bullies
it's like their whole thing, you know? or at least it's supposed to be but they never do it! as a staunch fan of political violence it's very frustrating to me.
Holy shit, dude. I legit can't believe they're actually making this argument. I understand it's the best thing that they can say, but if that's the case, wouldn't it be better to just not say it, and focus on other stuff? I know they're doing that, too, but to go here at all... Jesus. It looks so bad, even for them.
"Bro, the same number of people who are going to get killed regardless of which option you chose."
"No, it's different - see under Biden they're going to get killed at a slower rate so it's going to feel like it's the more acceptable of the two options."
"But the same number of people are going to die!!"
"You people are so unwilling to come to a reasonable compromise. No wonder we're never going to make any progress in this country when there's people like you who make unrealistic demands of the Democratic party. Don't you understand that Trump is worse?"
If you are a liberal or progressive who plans not to vote in November over the Biden administration's support of Israel in the Gaza conflict, you are a fucking moron. Abstaining from voting is the same as handing Trump your vote, because I guarantee conservatives won't miss this election for the world.
:ole-reliable:
(we should get an ole reliable emote)
Biden is trying to pump the brakes, trump will encourage them to wipe out palestine.\
do liberals actually think this? like they actually think biden saying "they gotta stop!" and then sending in another shipment of bombs counts as him "pump(ing) the breaks"?
Heres the thing, bidens foot is nowhere near the brakes. Hes in the passenger seat at best. Bibi is the one driving, and biden is telling him to slow down. Biden is no more capable of controlling Israel than the EU is, but you dont see people yelling at them for it.
Now people want to replace biden with trump, who would challenge netanyahu to floor it or no balls.
they actually think this, huh?
May someone EILI5 why this is the hill that so many, particularly young “progressives” wish to die on?
It seems like if there ever was a “both-sides” topic, this is the one. Why are they willing to accept what the other alternative (a Trump presidency) will be like but not accept the lesser of the two evils (a Biden presidency)?
liberals can't understand being anti-genocide unless it's explained to them as if they were a toddler.
According to noted philosopher The Good Place, the correct answer is to throw yourself in front of the trolley.
it's just like my treats!!!!
"I'm against genocide" says the genocide supporters who will let Trump genocide Palestinians, Ukrainians, Taiwanese, American Muslims, LGBTQ+ Americans, Jewish Americans, Immigrants, and many, many others.
and democrats will stand gleefully by and watch it happen, right?
You’re missing about 29,999 bodies on bidens track
"I'm against genocide" says the genocide supporters who will let Trump genocide Palestinians, Ukrainians, Taiwanese, American Muslims, LGBTQ+ Americans, Jewish Americans, Immigrants, and many, many others.
They just make stuff up. Trump is going to genocide... Taiwanese people? The worse their guy gets, the worse his opponent must be or else their guy would be bad (impossible).
Logic here is interesting. I assume they meant Trump will go to war with China, and Taiwanese who will die will be his fault.
But by the same logic, Biden is to blame for at least 400000 dead Ukrainians. Not to mention it's Biden govt that not only continue the Trump policy of antagonising and waging economic war against China, and it's Dem government and party members who constantly insult China like not even Pompeo did.
Heres the thing, bidens foot is nowhere near the brakes. Hes in the passenger seat at best. Bibi is the one driving, and biden is telling him to slow down. Biden is no more capable of controlling Israel than the EU is, but you dont see people yelling at them for it.
Now people want to replace biden with trump, who would challenge netanyahu to floor it or no balls.
Isn't this just the trolley problem reimagined? The correct action would be for Biden to jerk the wheel of the tortured metaphor of a car into a grove of very solid trees, so the "car" doesn't kill another 40,000 innocents
Imagine presenting this to someone who wasn't crunk off the cult juice. Look, either way you vote innocent people are going to die, it's up to you how many.
I don't even buy the implied argument that trump will kill more. Maybe. Not like he's a friend of Palestine. But Biden is the one currently actively sending weapons. Often even when other ghouls in the legislature don't want to. And he's been an avowed Zionist his whole Career. Definitely not seen compelling evidence or proof that trump would be worse in anyway
the only thing he could realistically do to escalate is commit US forces, and everything about his first term indicates that he wouldn't want to do that
This is the thing that pisses me off about libs. They focus on the hypothetical of how much worse it would be under Trump, but ignore the fact that Biden is the president RIGHT THE FUCK NOW and doesn't do a thing to stop the genocide.
Before I caught my last ban, I just started replying to those people with a wall of text that went something like this:
"That thing you're worrying about trump doing is happening right now. Under Biden. Biden is doing it. Today. Right now. Not hypothetically, but actually, and there are no signs of stopping. Biden is sending weapons right now not trump. The thing you're worried about trump doing is already happening with Biden in the white house. Right now. He's doing it. Not trump. Trump won't make it worse because it's already on track to be as bad as it can get. Right now. With Biden in command. Today.."
And so on and on and on. I make it tedious to read, but keep it civil enough to not get reported. It was generally met with positive response by other r*dditors
There's nothing they hate so much as fucking peasants having the nerve to think we can and should exert political pressure on the political class.
The idea that we think we might have a role in politics beyond casting a vote is such an anathema to them that many can't even conceive of it as a possibility (so they treat is as apathy; we don't care and would let Trump win) or they can conceive of it and seeing us try gives them cognitive dissonance which makes them hate us.
Either way they will hate us for being principled activists. There's no other way for them to see us.
IS this pressure on the DNC? They seem to enjoy being the minority party because it gives them something to do which doesn't involve actually creating policy.
I'm 99.99% convinced no one says this shit outside of lemmy. No one from the NYT op-ed column to the youtube comment section would make this argument. Only lemmy has the sufficient purity for liberal stemlords to make this insane argument.
someone please reality check me on the above
These people should be banned for genocide apologia.
The GOP wants to kill us but the DNC isn't stopping them; they're both culpable. If you feel that voting for one party or the other gives it institutional legitimacy then you're well within your rights to not give any support, no matter how small, to the US and it's structures.
The inhumanity of these fuckers is so condescending and complete I honestly wonder if they would feel differently if it was their own families at stake.
Fiancé genuinely said to me “the situation would be much worse under Trump. I just don’t think you’ve imagined how bad it could get”. As if I were the short-sighted one
We don’t even live in America and he’s constantly telling me Biden has to win or [insert calamity here]. I had been avoiding keeping up with current affairs for a bit because of MH reasons, but now I’m caught up I have realised that he’s been left with nothing but Reddit politics to engage with in the meantime
i love how democrats have framed voting as something only they are actually able to do. the trump presidency is simply assured, it goes without saying; it is the default state of the universe and trump supporters' actions have nothing to do with it. but if democrats get out there and cast some epic votes, they can change that future. only they have agency.