internet weirdo invents new irreconcilable political position, demands people yell at them
tale as old as time
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this is perfect. I was scrolling wondering what to even say about this. Glad you nailed it and saved me from whatever i was going to put togetherIt is but thesis meeting antithesis and forming synthesis.
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You're getting spit all over me
The liberals reading this with a
expression feel exactly the same way as I do whenever I see lgbt people supporting capitalism.Okay, hear me out - rainbow imperialism
What does lgbtq have to do with capitalism?
Not just lgbtq but all marginalised people. Capitalists are incentivised to create and exploit marginalised people under capitalism. They are not incentivised to solve marginalisation because marginalised people have conditions that make them easier to exploit for lower wages and worse conditions.
Whether it's patriarchy which has always held 50% of the population as property of men for free labour and exploitation, or more recently the gender wage gap. Or whether it's racism, where the marginalised suffer worse conditions, maltreatment, poor wages and a tougher time. Or whether it's lgbtq people where their marginalisation has a 22% wage/earnings gap with hetero/cis people. (don't get me started on sex work or being trans and renting or applying for jobs)
Capitalists gain from exploitation of marginalised groups. You will not liberate any marginalised group fully under a system incentivised to exploit others as marginalised people are ripe for exploitation. If you do liberate one group they are incentivised to create another or shift the burden to an existing one.
The liberation of marginalised people can only come with liberation from a system incentivised to create marginalised people. Various pressures we create achieve concessions for marginalised groups but that's all they will ever be, concessions to prevent us overturning the system entirely.
a large part of the origin of queerphobia is the rise of capitalism. the shift to the bourgeois-proletariat class separation and especially industrial revolution created the conditions for it. capitalists pushed the family unit, imposed on each worker, consisting of one man, one woman, and several children, to have efficient reproduction for more workers. this pushed specific gender roles for men and women, and then the (often violent) repression of people who fell outside of that standard family unit, such as trans, gender-nonconforming, or homosexual people. this is why bourgeois oppression is interlinked with queerphobia and cishetero oppression and the necessary route for queer liberation is through the destruction of the force that originally brought much of it.
this reminds me of a few days ago where i saw a post where someone put their oc with a trans black sun and said "there's like no trans fash art so i made my own" like wow i wonder why
what do you mean people whose entire political ideology is based on being bigoted reactionary shitheads don't have trans artIt exists, but it's all hentai.
Trans Ernst Rohm.
4chan and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
🇷🇺 versus 🇺🇦 is the modern peak of
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I could almost admire it if this guy was trying to piss off literally everyone, but i feel this isn't that deliberate
Plain and simple
You don't have to agree with Russia's domestic policies to be in favor of their victory on the geopolitical stage against NATO. Ain't nothing wrong with the image in the OP. Z
Then just post a Z instead of putting it on a trans flag when they just made trans care illegal. Just as cringe, or possibly marginally more cringe, as making a trans American flag
I think their point is that it's a Z and not the Russian tricolor (not sure how you'd make the latter a rainbow anyway), i.e. an endorsement of the campaign specifically and not the state generally.
I still think OOP is goofy because neither the Russians nor the Ukronazis are fighting to protect or advance trans rights, but I don't think it's exactly as bad as using the flag of a queer-phobic state, be it Russia, Ukraine, or America.
The American Flag is the flag of a fascist imperialist power. It's a Nazi flag. No it's not "just as cringe". What "Z" and the anti-imperialist multipolar struggle represents is not "just as bad" as fucking AMERICA.
I thought this place was finally past the both sides bullshit, but it seems continually mired here.
This makes as much sense as the pride/Ukraine flags I've seen some internet idiots bandy 'round (zero).
Both sides in this war are queerphobic states and you aren't gonna be able to reconcile that with queer identity.
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are both transphobic hellholes, along with 
It's a real shame, I wonder what the Soviet Union would be like in relation to the LGBT community if it still existed today. AES countries like Vietnam and Cuba became friendly and supportive towards the lgbtq+ community after the 90s.
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Cuba well before the 90s, they were sending doctors in the 80s to the DDR to learn how to do gender affirming surgery and handling the HIV crisis more humanely and less discriminatorily.
Idk seems like this is specifically in the context of the war because of the Z?
I mean so many trans people here also support Stalin, USSR, China, Laos, DPRK, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. in their wars
Only difference between Russia and the other capitalist anti-queer countries is that Russia is the only one not yet flattened into the ground so it feels weird for people influenced by a culture that associates weakness with moral purity, strength with evil, and the underdog being a hero to support Russia in the same way
Charitably I'll assume the individual being dunked on has performed their own evaluation of "things" and determined that multi-polar imperialism is still better than US-dominated imperialism, because at least there's not an even more entrenched monopoly over the world.
It's not like a modern neoliberal market hellhole state like Russia is going to liberalize on marginalized communities any time soon. The economic gears only grind harder from here, with the hard stops created by climate change on the horizon, so it's unlikely at least.
We can't ignore history though. The context of modern Russia and other states is our world's history. The one where Western capitalists were unrelenting, reinvesting wealth stolen from revolutionary countries into their destruction. The one where "human rights concerns" were used only to justify sanctions against and invasions of countries already embattled for decades. It's one thing to pressure a nation on these issues, but it's a whole other thing to use people inside those societies to destabilize them and then weaponize capitalist owned press to browbeat those countries for "authoritarian" responses.
It's still cringe on an aesthetic level. If you're going to combine the trans flag and the Z, at least do what they do with the ribbon of St. George like this only with the trans colors instead.
Yeah I don't see China compiling lists of trans people or banning trans healthcare. Nor do I see massive reactionary backlash over trans people existing. The worst I've heard is that the legal procedure to change genders is convoluted(still bad).
That's why I partitioned the latter part into Russia and the other capitalist anti-queer countries in that list
the modern new deal coalition
I’d probably say the same things too, if I had my head that far up my own ass.
Good tweet text, bad flag
If your beliefs 100% align with a group, you're probably more interested in following the group than your beliefs
There are cases of your interests completely aligning with those of a particular group, especially when you and the membership of the group are in a similar position socially. Not sure how that relates to OP, but political-economic classes are a thing.
Wait until you see the flag of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast!
I know the reality is Russia is unfriendly towards the lgbt but it’s important we lie to ourselves and pretend that it’s not for the sake of left unity. Being able to hold two contradictory beliefs is half of what being a leftist is.
This is literally what critical support means. I don't have to like Iran's domestic policies either to support their struggle against Zionism and American imperialism
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Nah nah, a better way to put it is """Holding both the contradictory beliefs and screaming endlessly in a time loop forever about how you're going to make them face the fucking wall for their crimes but also in this one instance of a completely different situation that is unrelated in almost every fuckin way they aren't automagically the enemy (any more than usual for being capitalist fascist pieces of shit just like yesterday when we weren't currently at 'active' war) because our even worse capitalist institutions say so while the entire world gaslights you into pretending a country that was shooting LGBT people in the street for being "removed" or whatever during their most recent coup/revolution/fascist takeover is actually the "Pro-LGBT war 'team' that you need to support by sending direct military aid today by calling the number on your screen now, that's 1800-RATHEOMARTIN" (despite all the articles and videos of their 2014-2020ish journalism literally being living proof against their current talking point and even popping up in the related articles for modern puff pieces about the new heroes-in-swastikas until you're convinced you're living in a simulation where you just loop the previous wars arguments over and over and over again every day forever.""" is what half of being a leftist actually is.
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so hard in my lifefake person
I actually had a conversation with someone on Lemm.ee about that.
Well the Tanki problem is not as bad as reddit, I did have a full-on argument with this guy who kept trying to tell me that by supporting Ukraine I was supporting the nazis, and that only Western Publications report anti-lgbt policy in Russia. And that I was overreacting to propaganda. Even though Western Publications are probably the only that are likely to be Pro LGBT at this point...
Western Publications are probably the only that are likely to be Pro LGBT at this point...
The Guardian is literally filled with terfs. And I doubt there is a single right wing western publication that is pro-lgbt, which is pretty much most of them.
I did have a full-on argument with this guy who kept trying to tell me that by supporting Ukraine I was supporting the nazis
If you support Ukraine you support Nazis
