WE ARE MOVING TO LEMMY.WORLD!!
WE ARE MOVING TO LEMMY.WORLD!!
edit: As I'm seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms.
It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board.
FAQ:
Why?
That's a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada's excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances.
How does this work?
Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed.
What about the posts?
Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world's federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won't be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled.
As for the posts on lemmy.world's 196, we're leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
Once again, here's the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)
I would like to propose a solution that I think can make everyone happy. Transfer ownership of Blahaj 196 to a new mod team and make World 196 the alternate community. If anyone wishes to follow the original mod team into world they would be able to, meanwhile blahaj 196 would follow the values of Blahaj. I personally volunteer to either be the head or a moderator here.
@moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone did you consult even a single member of your community or did you just decide this was good for you, like on a personal level?
thanks for linking the new one it makes it easy to block.
very disappointed. :(
Keep this community open for everyone and find a new mod team. With the world admin team "busting echo chambers" (even thoughs that aren't echo chambers) by overarching mod undercutting admin action, I'm extremely worried that this alone will ruin 196 as a whole. The etiquette on world is also different which will result in the altering of the community into some unknown. The quality content may also suffer a degradation as the culture of blajha and world are not the same.
So I made a new community.
!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Banner and icon will follow, I'm literally out running errands right now!
I've seen a lot of talk about how this move changes the admins the community will be under, but very little about how this will change the randos that pass through. The mods keep saying this won't change anything, that the moderation will stay the same, etc, but the reason this community is the way it is is that there are a lot of locals that find it. When the new community shows up on l.w's local page, it will bring in a far different crowd. Their posts, comments, and up/down votes will change the community, and there's no amount of moderation that will fix that.
Mods, this is why people are mad you made this change without asking anyone. Many of us do not want an influx of .world users into this space because we know what kind of politics and biases they'll bring with them and that, even if you moderate the bigots, the normies will still likely overpower the queer voices this community is known for.
the ideology of blahajzone isn't one I 100% agree with but it's honestly imo the best suited for 196, given that on The Other Website 196 is a fork of 195 that grew to be specifically queer/trans focused. People had other choices like 197, but they specifically chose 196, and I think there's a point to make in that.
as for the Lemmy.World choice, I really don't get it and probably will not migrate there, and really don't like that you guys are feeding the centralisation and concentration of power when there are so many wonderful instances out there. I like shitjustworks myself because it feels very non-interfery and open, but there's so many other options too.
this whole thing honestly feels disheartening given how 'default' the choice of lemmy.world feels, like you all put no thought into the decision before making it.
please just remember that we understand that you all are human and will accept apologies if you think they are necessary
BOOOO!
Let us keep our own community right here on Blåhaj!
Big yikes
Adding my voice to the pile. Leave it here. Unlock it and let new mods take over. You can do your thing wherever you want. But let us do our thing where we want.
Cringe.
Make your own instance
Bad move :(
I'm sorry but what the fuck are you on?
lemmy.world
Literally the worst instance for a decentralized platform (cuz they're already too big).
please be assured we have same mod team
No that doesn't assure me. Whichever mods signed off on this should be removed from any 196 community because you took rule too seriously and forgot about your community before posting
It's really obvious what this is about. And it's not a good look for you.
No
Fuck off, dividing a marginalized community over petty shit.
Now where am I supposed to post this Iruleny?
Also waiting for the downvotes to reach 196.
if i could downvote, i would! >>>>>>:((((((((
this is a VERY UNCOMFY move!!! >>>>:((((
just to make it obvious, these are ANGRY FACES!!!
(im saying this cuz maybe 196 mods or whatever cannot understand these kinds of emotions)">" are the ANGRY EYEBROWS! ":" are the EYES and "(" is the SAD MOUTH!!!
I AM VERY SAD! i will NOT lurk on ur evil .world "replacement".
this is NOT what the FEDIVERSE IS MEANT TO BE!!!!
the fediverse is meant to be DECENTRALIZED!!! across MULTIPLE INSTANCES!
this is NOT a "very fediverse move" you are doing here. This is a "reddit move"!
im gonna say it. this is straight up u/spez stuff happening here.
i HOPE that my comment gets blocked or removed by my instance maintainers, so that it becomes OBVIOUS that such hatespeech, which is allowed on .world is NOT OKAY!
(yes i mean my hatespeech rn, im in evil mode today, this is very evil, i dun like this at all. will not support this evil behavior)
What are your thoughts on the Beehaw and any other instances' users who are going to be forceably left behind by this change?
Great, more centralization to .world...
seriously? that's a bad decision.
I have no idea why u thought people would be fine with any of this, this leaves 200% clear that u dont even know the community u moderate
very sad. i can barely use lemmy.world communities as they take weirdly long to federate with my tiny instance. for example, from my instance i can only see the pinned posts on the new 196, and it has been pending subscription since yesterday.
Disappointing
The combination of not involving the community in the decision, only providing a vague reason and locking the original community really rubs me the wrong way.
Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.
Rule: You must post before you leave.
OK, we saw your post. You can leave now.
Hey so im just a lurker but im really worried about this move:
We all know Meta just allowed all sorts of vile anti lgbt posting on their platform so how do we know .world isn't going that way?
You said you have a line to the top admin, is that Ruud who wants to federate with Threads, a Meta product that will allow transphobia against community members?
"Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative" - LW admins
Especially concerning since they are forcing communities to allow dissent, just like Meta, so TERFs can just roll up in this community and you have to allow them?
It’s pretty clear what the community consensus here is.
You can leave, and start a new 196 community wherever you like. Leave this one as is, and people can choose to follow one, both or neither.
Locking it here is very hostile to the community and a categorically bad move. I hope the instance admins can step in, remove the mods and unlock the community.
with many communities creating their own 196es.
Wow that's terrible, can anyone link some of those 196's so I can block them?
This move is going to make the community a lot less welcoming to queer folk, by virtue of being on .world alone. I don't know what rift between Ada and you let to that decision, but I think it's a big mistake. It feels especially bad for us members of this community not being involved in the decision making process at all, all the more if this has truly been "months in the making".
With that said: I strongly implore you to not lock down the community, and instead let a new mod team take over. Not having centralized decisions and power tripping mods is one of the big hopes I had for the fediverse, and this... feels really bad. It's not a bad thing to have several similar communities on different instances! Please don't destroy this one over personal grievances
Please leave the community to someone else. We don't federate world and I like this community and so far Ada seems to be a good admin. You can still make 196 on world without destroying this one.
How about no?
Don't do it, seriously I hope you're joking.
:(
.world is already way too centralized, and way less friendly. downhill we go I guess.
A move that has been months in the making but only now is getting announced? Has it been announced previously and I missed it or something? I get the motivation for the move, but this feels like the kind of decision that the users of the 196 should have gotten more of a chance to at least give feedback on what other instance 196 should be migrating to.
I agree with most others that this is a huge mistake, if only for moving to .world. Another larger community being on that instance sounds like a bad idea for the lemmy ecosystem, even if you wanted to move from blahaj.zone. I will continue to post and browse on 196, but if I start to feel unwelcome there, I will make it known.
The problem is that you're creating more work for yourself, even if you're as on top of moderation as you were here. If you get the additional reach that you're hoping for, you'll have to work much quicker at removing shit content than you did here. Now that 196 isn't on the openly queer instance, more bigots will feel like they can interact. This could lead to the community becoming less accepting in the long run, as queer people feel less safe and welcomed.
I have thick skin and often run towards conflicts other people won't, but I know that many users here aren't like me. If I start to feel it weighing on me, be confident that things have gone too far for most people on this instance.
What rotten news.
If you want to move to some big reddit-like instance, then you move you and let the ones that what to meme in a safe space do it. As you've noticed, communities can't be moved to other instances. I would ask you to kindly take the hint.
imho you should simply start your far reaching 196 elsewhere and leave this one to be modded by someone else. Not everybody is fond of playing in traffic.
I think it’s good for 196 to leave because at least to me it’s clear that your values don’t fully align with this instance and if you leave then the trans community posts don’t get drowned out anymore by 196 posts. Hopefully 196 leaving will boost the trans meme communities here a bit more (and maybe there’ll be more interest in a new meme/generalposting community).
Would you consider reconsidering?
Gonna be real sad to lose such a large part of my feed. Hope things do well for you over there.
I'm sorry, but lemmy.world was the worst possible decision for a place to relocate to. I wouldn't follow you there even if I could. If you really have to go with a big, liberal instance that will let you moderate however you want at least you should have gone with lemm.ee. They're not making lemmy monolithic, not as much of a troll magnet, and far more competent at what they do.
For the love of god, leave this community here and just create a new mod team instead. This community being on Blåhaj specifically is a big plus for a lot of us
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no
.world is too big already, also I understand your moderation concerns but this is a large change that I don't think has been thought through. Why not move to a smaller instance to strengthen federation, or make your own if you can afford to host it?
Well, it doesn't seem to be a joke, guess the mods like admins forcing changes to moderation policies, unless users throw a massive shit storm.
a large portion of instances do not federate with 196
What's wrong with federation?
Neutral observation: World's userbase is incompatible with the attitudes and queer acceptance of nearly any community that originates from a place like Blahaj. Your comment sections will go to directly to shit. You will constantly be embattled by .world bigots. Sea-lioning and whataboutism will be common and things you never imagined would be controversial will be. Given the incoming administration I would stick to spaces carved out for the culture you want to see on a "r/196-like" board.
I strongly disagree with this decision and the reasoning behind it. Blahaj is, in my opinion, the best place for this community specifically because of the strong moderation and policies of Ada and other admins here.
Lemmy.world is also the worst instance I can think of outside of the big three tankie instances. It contributes further to the centralization of Lemmy as a whole (since 196 has been one of the most active communities on the entire platform). In my opinion, the .world crowd's liberal and pro-colonialist/capitalist tendencies are a terrible fit for this community.
I'd have rather seen Blahaj defederate from .world than 196 move there, even if it meant less content and engagement. At least the cultural values of the community wouldn't have been compromised.
if you're concerned about defederation, why would you go to lemmy.world, which seems no better on that front than lbz?
Bye then, I won't be following
I'm gonna be honest, my first response to reading this headline & image, as well as the small snippet of the body visible from my app's home page, was "huh, bit early for an April Fool's Day joke". It would have been surprising enough if the move has been anywhere, but LW is the last non-tankie instance I would have expected, given the modding/admin drama they've been through recently.
I'm guessing LW was chosen because there's a pre-existing (if inactive) community there already?
Do we really need more centralisation? .world is already too big.
This ain’t it.
Wow this is disappointing. Lemmy world seems so massive already which kinda defeats the purpose of federating a bit I feel. Too centralized. I’m just waiting for the seemingly inevitable implosion of world haha.
I mean ultimately it’s whatever, it is what it is and I’ll follow 196 wherever it goes.
Bummer
A link that everyone can click: !196@lemmy.world