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Wow 196 don't belong on blahaj.zone either...

Considering America just became a fascist state, I vote tankies be allowed to post if they have actual tanks they're willing to donate to the radical militias we've obviously all joined.
- Fuck yes

But the character is punching
- And the other character isn't a tankie.
  
  Effectively there's no difference between tankies and MAGA

okay but tankies aren't white supremacists and that guy is wearing a screwdriver shirt
- Tankies defend things like russian organised genocide during soviet union where they kept doing what hitler tried.
  So just like skinheads they are all for human suffering. Arguing over semantics at this point.
  
  Tankies defend things like russian organised genocide
  Can you link me to a post on 196 that's a defense of Russian organized genocide?
  
  I see the horseshoe theory has spread far and wide.
- As far as centrists are concerned, everyone to the left of Netanyahu is a tankie, and everyone to their left is somehow all the way to the right.
  
  Maybe, but most Blåhaj or 196 users are far from being centrists.
- It's an edit
- Well, skinheads aren't welcome here either I'm hoping. But I had the same reaction as you.
  
  please don't give the term skinheads to the fascists. nazi punks fuck off ✌️
  
  Skinheads originally weren't Nazis.
  And most Nazis today aren't skinheads.
  
  That one person with the Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice pfp seems alright
- Other than the hand tool or the beverage what doss screw driver mean in this context?
  
  punk band notorious for being neo nazis

Fuck Tankies, Fuck Conservatives.
Fuck everyone who tries to maintain or implement hierarchies.
- Conservatives want you to carry on working for them. Talkies just want to change who you work for. Both can get fucked.
  
  Fuck stateism.
- Anarchy Baby!
- Hi, yes, great. Love anarchy. So anyway, I'm from the nuclear power plant down the road...
  
  I work over at the power plant with dicknose here, give me a food!
- Hierarchies seem like an important structure to have in society.
  
  Yes. Without them there is no justification for inequality. So to the people in power, they are very important.
  But incase you genuinely believe that social order is impossible without hierarchies, you should probably read up on stateless societies, communal decision making, and anarchism.
- "…Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in the Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people."
  
  Plenty of good isms out there!
  
  …Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism’s in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, “I don’t believe in the Beatles, I just believe in me.” Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I’d still have to bum rides off people.”
  Such a great movie. And a wonderful criticism of isms.
  
  You use apostrohes when a quote is inside another quote.

The last time we had a post like this it was filled with a bunch of sealioning from tankies (authoritarian socialists). Be aware that we will be banning any such behavior.
- What is sealioning?
- on that thread most comments were downvoted lmao, i even got a comment in the negatives because i called them fascists (they are, doesnt matter if they like the USSR or not)
  thanks for cleaning this comm up 👍
  edit: someone literally downvoted every single comment in this thread lmao, the fascists are mad
  
  Not sure why, but that happens in a lot of threads. Most threads I see all comments have at least one downvote lol
- common 196 W
- thank you for preserving this important history in our minds!
  
  hi spujb. fucck authoritarianism in all forms !!

I do not possess a dick but this post made me rock hard. Like, mentally. Gave me a raging brainer.
- Dunno about generally, but in my friend groups the phrases "I'm hard" and "I'm wet" are completely gender neutral and can be used by anyone regardless of presentation or equipment.
  I do enjoy raging brainer though.
- Gave me a raging brainer.
  I am stealing this. This mine now.
  
  I have to be honest. I remembered I've heard it before. I stole it from Futurama!
  One if my least favorite episodes, too...
- My friend Jenn refers to this as "having a wide-on."
  
  Your friend Jenn sounds like fun!
- You shouldn't... Now we have no one to lick the boots clean! 😭

No Gods No Masters
- Some people don't understand that last part, unfortunately.

holy mother of based
- Well put lol
- And here the rest of us are trying to be as eloquent and articulate as possible, and yet you said it better than any of us ever could.
  
  i call it as i see it

New here, what's a tankie?
- Communist apologists. Nicknamed “tankies” because many would deny/defend things like the Tiananmen Square Massacre, the Hungarian revolt of 1956, Czechoslovakian revolt of 1968, etc… Instances where authorities rolled tanks into town to deal with revolts, which caused images like this:
  
  For a long time, communism’s first response to revolution seemed to be “send in the tanks to deal with it”, thus the nickname “tankies” for people who defended the practice. Lemmy has a lot of communist undertones. It sort of goes hand-in-hand with the “anyone can spin up their own instance and be their own admin” philosophy. The .ml instances are meant to stand for “Maoist/Leninist” so you’ll see a lot of tankies from those .ml instances… But some of the most prominent Lemmy devs use .ml as their home instance, so many instances are hesitant to defederate from them entirely.
  It also means there are lots of disagreements about what “real” communism is. Discussions which would get buried on right-leaning (compared to communism) platforms like Meta or Reddit are up front and center on Lemmy. So you’ll see the word thrown around a lot here, especially compared to anywhere else. Because the only thing that causes more arguments than “left vs right” is “moderate left vs far left”.
  Most of the leftists and communists at least recognize the evils that communism has enabled in the past. But you’ll inevitably get tankies with the “akshually it wasn’t communism’s fault, it was the individuals” every time anything slightly anti-communist gets brought up.
  
  Maoist/Leninist
  Marxist/Leninist
  It should stand in contrast to Maoist communism, but tankies don't care much for the distinction and will support the worst abuses of the Chinese government.
  
  It would be more accurate to describe them as authoritarian communists, as opposed to the more liberal communist/socialist positions many people on here tend to hold.
  Equating communism with the authoritarian dictatorships that called themselves that does a disservice to both the people living under them and everybody else that thinks late-stage-capitalism might not be that great either.
  
  Not quite right. Some other people cover the definition properly in this post.
  Edit: Your comment is very wrong to be clear. Read this comment instead: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21148571/12557557 and this one: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21148571/12560912
- Anyone with .ml after the @ in their name.
  But seriously, Russia, China and North Korea's apologists.

Hey whats a tankie
- In case you're asking out of good faith curiosity:
  Tankie is a pejorative (and rightfully so) term for a particular brand of communist/socialist. It's worth noting that I have nothing against communists or communism in general (even though I don't agree with it as a political system). A tankie is someone whose standpoint is that communism can do no wrong; anything that went wrong in USSR and China is CIA's fault, and the Czechs, Hungarians, and Tibetans had it coming.
  Oh, and to any tankies who are reading this and are tempted to engage in sealioning, don't bother - I don't care and probably won't respond. Plus there's a pretty good chance you're already on my block list. Call me fascist if you will (I'vebeen called worse things), but at least tell me a definition of fascism that doesn't also encompass todays China and Russia
  Basically, it's a label applied to people of a communist persuasion who have given up on any form of critical thinking, and just defaults to "America bad, therefore anything opposing it must be good". Yes, America bad indeed. But that doesn't automatically Pol Pot, Kim Young Un, and Stalin are good.
  Also, don't be surprised if this comment is downvoted to oblivion after someone links it on hexbear or lemmygrad. It's quite telling that comments like this are usually attacked based on syntax rather than substance, while refusing to actually explain what happened at Tianmen Square or during the Holodomor, without citing russian or Chinese propaganda.
  
  Also, the name is a reference to communist countries sending tanks against civilians, RE: Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, and Tianmen Square 1989
  
  Just a friendly suggestion. Leninism isn't communism. Don't give them what they want by referring to them as communist. It gives actual communist/anarchist even more undeserved grief and misinformation to counter.
  Leninism often referred to as ML is an authoritarian ideology. Which is a socialist in name only. They will gladly sacrifice actual socialism to protect the ruling Vanguard ala the tankies. Claiming their ideology is to facilitate building an economy that can then somehow transition to communism. They have no outline or mechanism for this to happen. In fact they would kill most anyone who tried. As those people would be a threat to the Vanguard.
  Communism is a classless stateless society. A Society with a separate Vanguard party has classes. And authoritarian state is not stateless. Therefore they are not communist no matter how much they use the term. You are spot on with everything else though.
  
  Well the 'America bad for the world' is arguably not wrong.
  
  As a leftist pinko card-carrying Democratic Socialist of America, I can't agree that Tankies are on this side of the fence. I think they're all either brainwashed or trolling... Either way, they have no idea what they're saying most of the time.
  That being said, they've ruined the ability for some of us to give honest constructive criticism of the American left.
  
  Isn't it more than that though? A lot of the US intervention stuff can be true, but I thought the whole thing that made a tankie a tankie was the support of an authoritarian dictatorship and wanting that to be implemented?
  Like I totally believe the US does and will try to destroy any communist country that arises, but I dont support the idea of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" so hopefully that doesn't make me a tankie lol
  
  haha, love that picture!
  Edit: Also I think hexbear and lemmygrad can't downvote due to being defederated from blåhaj.
  
  I love all the whackadoo shapes like stethoscope, horseshoe, and fishhook that people are forced to use to cling to the notion that political ideology is linear.
  There are two legislative variables- societal and economic. That requires two axes for accurate plotting, and why it’s so difficult to fit an authoritarian socialist on a line that is primarily determining a socialized vs. conservative economy.
- https://lemmy.ml/u/yogthos
  This is a tankie. Nothing they say is genuine or in good faith. Their agenda is to manipulate and lie because they're miserable. Feel free to check out their post and comment history if you want to see what a stain on humanity looks like.
- I'll just add one more detail that hasn't already been said. Although they profess to be left-wing communists, tankies will defend countries like 21st century Russia in its invasion of Ukraine, despite Russia not even pretending to be communist, and in fact being the very worst that crony capitalism has to offer.
  Tankies in reality, at least on Lemmy, seem to position themselves primarily as anti-America and anti anything America supports, rather than being for any specific policies associated with communism.
  
  Tankie's Prayer
  That didn't happen.
  And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
  And if it was, that's not a big deal.
  And if it did, that wasn't his fault.
  And if it was, he didn't mean it.
  And if he did...
  They deserved it.
  
  So if youll join me down disinformation avenue, do you think these are largely real people? I only ask because every time i find myself turning back to corporate social media its because the high polarization of all topics by people like that on lemmy.
  It seems like a good deterrent to the adoption of FOSS social media if someone were to employ ai to do so, but i can also believe that the first people to transition to FOSS would be highly radicalized people.
- Self proclaimed communists that claim to want power for the people but rally for an authoritarian dictator who holds all the power. Not much different from monarchists.
  Usually a strong idolatry and religious type fixation of deifying individuals to remain in power.
  
  Otherwise true, but I really wouldn't compare tankies to monarchists, since AFAIK a lot of monarchists are only in favor of having a monarch as a figurehead and an elected government that holds the actual power.
- https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tankie (urban dictionary usually sucks but good definition here)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
  tl;dr fascists in red
  
  So they are people who want to violently or otherwise enforce their ideal view of some flavor of communism on the rest of the world? And they try to realize this by organizing and radicalizing people on social media?

What cartoon is that gal from? Seems recognizeable, but can't remember where I've seen it before
- Looks like Veronica from Archie.

Even if they post before they leave?
- Yea, if they tankies. Like facists they support authoritarianism. They are named so for their support of sending tanks against civilllians.

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