Stephen Fry released a statement: "Elon Musk is not a Nazi. Nazis make really good cars."
What's great about this, and Stephen Fry is brilliant, is not that he's absolving Musk, or that he's criticizing Tesla, but that it is an argument likely leading to Elon Musk protesting,
'No, my cars are good enough that I can be a Nazi!'
If Elon isn't a full-blown Nazi, he's at minimum a Nazi sympathizer. His actions at the inauguration proved where his allegiances lie.
Yeah, his alliances life with power, money, and people thinking he's cool (narcissism). The racism and cruelty are just his personal side projects.
Just like his grifts.
Why is this thread full of Nazi propaganda? Yikes. 😬
I'd imagine Jeremy Clarkson might have said this on old top gear before he outed himself as a massive asshole.
All Nazis are assholes Not all assholes are Nazis
Before? What, in primary school?
I think James May got there quicker. The first episode of his Cars Of The People miniseries explores (in part) the driving idea behind the Beetle and its origin, including its proceeds funding the Nazi war machine.
What did he do to out himself, out of curiosity?
He punched a guy in 2015 over available food options, which got him fired from BBC. His popularity didn't take that much of a hit from this incident despite him clearly being in the wrong (Hammond and May both left BBC with him and they started a new show The Grand Tour, which wasn't as popular as Top Gear, but was still popular.
Then, in 2022, he wrote an opinion piece for the Sun about how much he hates Megan Merkle and included a bit where he said she should be paraded naked through the town. Amazon decided to not start any new projects with him after this, though they continued with the plans to wind down The Grand Tour which had already been established.
He's got a farming show now, so he wasn't cancelled over this, despite burning some bridges.
The cybertruck is exactly the sort of thing Nazis would come up with. It's the King Tiger of trucks - impressive specs and appeals to insecure men, but way the fuck too big and designed for unrealistic situations instead of practical reality.
I, as of recently, live in a place where I actually see those things driving around (and a lot of other trucks). They look like children's toys compared to the absolute monster fords and some other trucks (not to mention they really do age like milk from what I've seen). Some of these behemoths can't even fit in a single parking spot, it's kind of insane. One of those would be more deserving of this title I think (I don't know cars so I can't say any specific models I'm afraid)
I think RAMs or similar win in that category by being as actively harmful as possible. And having the huge blindspot where you run over kids without noticing.
Before King Tiger and Tiger they had a few very good tanks.
Just when T-34 (which were clearly superior to German tanks once some bugs were ironed out, different class even) production went out of control, Hitler started making more decisions involved in what kind of machines is going to be developed and built.
Hur hur. I'd wish people would stop assigning hyper-competence to Nazis. They never were. Hitler was a drug addict and the trains didn't run on time.
Exactly this. My grandmother lived under the Nazis and she said they were fucking idiots. Exactly the same type of incompetent blowhards. The whole hyper scientific ubermensch BS in the cultural zeitgeist is so frustrating. I blame all the WWII video games and movies that played up the myth to have more interesting villains than the sleazy shit stains that they actually were.
It's hard to convince people that they've been had by a bunch of morons.
My Oma survived WWII and the bastard Nazis. Opa , was a Wehrmacht Landser, survived the Eastern Front, including Stalingrad, and was later KIA at Monte Cassino. He warned Oma, while on leave from the Eastern Front, that we are going to lose war and you better head west when the Russians enter Germany. She was 3-days ahead of them, just missed the Dresden bombings and somehow survived the Battle of Berlin. Now the USA has the same incompetent blowhards running the USA straight into the ground. She warned me it could happen anywhere and she was 100% correct.
I blame all the WWII video games and movies that played up the myth to have more interesting villains than the sleazy shit stains that they actually were.
I guess Wolfenstein being banned for glorifying Nazis actually had some merit.
Hitler was a drug addict and the trains didn't run on time.
German trains still don't run on time. Can't blame that one on the Nazis, that's just a German thing.
That's just ignoring history. There are plenty of good reasons to hate the Nazis without needing to do that.
In the similar way, it's not necessary to dismiss Soviet Union's early modernization successes in order to blame them for their crimes against humanity.
This is why the left can't have nice things.
Like this isn't the point here. You don't need to be pointing out this stuff. Just dog pile
Minor clarifications aren't the end of the world. The left is fine. Stop being sensitive
A small country took on the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD (TWICE) and very nearly won. The second time with a lunatic at the helm.
What does it take to impress you? To what would you assign their disturbing success?
Small country? They were a highly industrialized, highly educated and still quite materially wealthy colonial power going into the wars. They didn't need to be competent. Enough people went along with them and there was plenty of residual wealth to burn on the war machine.
You don't need to be an architect to burn down a building.
Um it did not take the entire world, for a lot of their early success most of the fighting was against countries that were unprepared and devastated after ww1.
Nazis took on world in one war, and lost.
"WE ARE THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! THE PUREST OF THE PURE! STRONGEST OF THE STRONG!"
[Fights one (1) war]
"Guess we'll shoot ourselves in a bunker and lose in a big lopsided defeat."
At no point were the Nazis close to winning. After the Soviets won the battle of Stalingrad in 1943 the Nazis were on full retreat until Berlin got captured.
Even leading up to up 1943, Germany had its oil nearly cut off. They became dependent on Romania for their supply. This may sound like a cartoon, but Nazis were dragging their tanks to the frontline using horses.
Germany simply did not have the industrial or logistic capacity to win WW2 at any point. The Nazis had already ransacked the German economy through privatization reforms and selling off anything that wasn't nailed down. Invading Poland incurred a bunch of sanctions and embargos that resulted in Germany's only primary oil trade coming from uhhh..the Soviet Union, so the Nazis had the brilliant idea of declaring war on their main source of gasoline.
Incredible. Literally everything you just said was wrong.
Germany wasn't "a small country". They were an industrialised, highly productive and heavily armed global power. They were slightly battered by post ww1 humiliation regulations pressed on them by the winners (because they ALSO lost that one!). But the instant they told the Allies to eat shit and started using what they had, any claim to "smallness" went out the window.
And they didn't "almost win". They got their asses kicked.
Every single thing the Nazis wanted to achieve, they failed hard. They wanted to prove the genetic superiority of the German people in the Olympics, instead they were soundly beat. They wanted to expand their territory, they got as far as fucking Poland and France and then stalled for years until a double whammy of Americans and Russians basically curb-stomped them, with the last few years of the Reich consisting of lots of propaganda coping hard about how their soon to come wonder weapons would turn the tide, which never happened because said wonder weapons were stupid ideas that only succeeded at getting more Nazis killed when they failed in testing. They wanted to stop the spread of communism, instead half their country became Soviet domain.
And then their "strongman" leader blasted his own brains out rather than face the fact that he was a loser in every way one can be a loser.
and very nearly won.
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
Lmao "very nearly won" is when you start a war your logistical staff and planning department tell you you have no way of winning. But yeah it's really impressive how they could keep going for a bit over two years just by the grit of their teeth and millions of slaves worked to death.
You've been fooled by nazi propaganda lol.
👆nazi
At no point did they "nearly win" against the world. In World War 1 they made desperate attempts to break out of trench warfare because the blockade was obliterating their wartime economy. In World War 2 they were cooked the second they invaded the USSR and the USA landed in the UK. Those were unwinnable areas for them. Even if they eventually managed to wear down the British, the Americans were right behind them manufacturing 100 tanks a day and 15 Aircraft Carriers in 1943 alone. Which means all of those tanks are getting to the European theater.
And once the USSR got it's production under way the Germans were on the defensive all the way back to Berlin.
Nazi
Germany was always the second strongest imperial power in Europe behind Britain from 1871 onwards, and without the English channel that would be debatable.
The Nazis' initial success in WW2 is entirely dependent on France falling apart the second they were invaded and the Reich getting to loot the entirety of it and the low countries to keep their economy alive. Had France put up even token resistance Germany would have imploded within a few months and the European half of the war would've been a minor footnote in the history books next to Japan invading all of Asia.
To what would you assign their disturbing success?
I have to ask: What success? They did typical fascist bullshit: They had an economy so bad they had to invade new countries just to loot them to pay for their horrific economy. They picked fight after fight of the smallest kids in the neighbourhood they could find until they met those kids big brothers and sisters. They required fucking slave labour to try to meet their wartime goals because they grossly underestimated just about every single facet of running a country. They privatized state-owned industries, crippling longterm wealth for their people, they instituted tariffs (sound familiar?). Pay remained as bad as they it had been in the depression because while their wages were raised, they were forced to constantly work overtime for no additional pay. Their military was the majority of their economic spending, and they used deficit spending because they were going to literally plunder the countries around them to pay for it. Sound like solid long-term planning? They killed or jailed anyone in the trade unions, and due to their insane tariffs and you know, generally being the worst people in history, lacked incoming trade so things like poultry or clothing was in short supply for the average person.
Then it took thirty five days for the Nazi German army, along with the Serbian and Soviet armies, to conquer Poland. For every success in the early war they had embarrassing fumbles. They lost entirely because of how fascists work: they need to invade more countries to pay for their insane military spending, make bigger and bigger enemies, then get beat by those enemies, then later people claim they 'could have if...'
Yeah, they could have done just fine if they hadn't been fascist. All of their failings fall to being fascist.
And the first world war, are you kidding me? Are you seriously suggesting their insistence on investing in overseas colonies while fighting against the British was a brilliant plan? In both wars they were led by colossal morons who constantly underestimated their opponents, while in the second world war in particular having the worst spy agency of any nation. Their insistence on torturing, raping, and murdering everyone they came into contact with meant they just got the answers they wanted to hear, instead of the actual truth, and were constantly on the back foot. Their evil, cruel, and twisted nature was their own downfall; the insistence of their superiority, as you are doing now, is the very reason they failed.
What is this, the Übermensch Expanded Universe? Maybe actually learn history.
Not even close dumb fuck and fucking Nazis betrayed the German people with their bullshit.
Do Japan and Italy just not count as part of the world? I mean Japan took over half of Asia and the Pasific while Italy took the Mediterranean countries. Germany took over part of northern Europe and helped a bit of North Africa.
What point are you trying to make here @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com?
Not apologizing and then immediately giving a speech to AfD about not being ashamed of "cultural purity" beg to differ. Either way, him being an actual Nazi is irrelevant. There are 2 options:
there's no real difference between a true believer nazi and one doing it as a bit. or one going along with it for profits. they're all nazis.
¿Por que no los dos?
I wonder where she is now....
Awww. She's all grown up, and seemingly successful.
Headlines are being headlines, I get it, but Fry was repeating a joke:
“I heard a very good joke yesterday,” the QI host, 67, told Stig Abell on Times Radio on Thursday.
“Someone said, ‘Musk is not a Nazi... Nazis made really good cars,’” he went on, before bursting out laughing.
Right, and here's the clip.
Fry used to be on Mastodon, not sure if he's still there ?
Just looked…the accounts still there. No apparent activity in a year.
based we did it fascism is defeated
Not every strike in the battle has to be the winning blow.
We did it! Great job everyone!
TBF, Elon's cars are great at killing groups of people with toxic gasses and then incineration their bodies. Just because he isn't efficient today, doesn't mean he isn't working on being a better Nazi tomorrow.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/fatal-crash-four-dead-lake-shore-cherry-1.7361751
Still a Nazi.
Just America shrinkflated Nazism so the intelligence had to go. Still 100% of the hate and malice America loves to eat though.
Yes. He's still a Nazi. You're not getting the point.
Fry is trying to provoke Musk into saying, "yes, they're good enough," turning it an admission that he is indeed a Nazi.
Elon is the new Henry Ford. But I'm afraid we have no modern day Roosevelts to smack him down.
Henry Ford actually had some good ideas himself. Elon steals all his ideas.
He's the new Henry Ford, but also, he's the new Henry Ford
You do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to them
Hes a great friend of Israel. If any thing, hes anti-woke, the salute is more of an anti-woke salute than its a nazi-salute. The group most upset about it are the left and friends.
lemmy users: "That's no excuse!"
One day he's criticized for saying that Hitler was a communist, the other for apparently assuming his love of nazis.
There's an old series of books by Terry Goodkind that i've read as a child, named the Sword of Truth, each book has a wizard's rule, and here's the first one :
People are stupid. They believe things mainly because they either want them to be true or fear them to be true.
I'm not particularly fond of these books nor do i agree with this rule, but if you're political then you're judging real political actions, such as enacted laws, like adults do, or you're eventually discussing assumed theories, but not unfair little excerpts regretted afterwards by the one who did them, and we can hopefully both agree that we should not explain our worldview or vote based on the latter, its 'just for fun'/'not serious'.
At least most journalists know that it's only about influencing his future decisions, but you don't if you believe it was 'a coming out'/'something to be discussed seriously'.
That's just my two cents, thanks for reading my insults towards ~you, and let's continue not changing.
Amazing that during bidens regime all i had to do was date a bdsm guy from austria and get labeled a nazi by even work. I dont know how they found out cause he was half a state away and it was a long distance relationship. I still get called it even with elon prancing about. IDGAF musk is a n*zi. Let those karens on toktok get fired.
Lolol
I would describe Elon Musk as an autistic adult whose weird behavior patterns and way too much money are dangerous in a system that gives money way too much power.
edit: just to be clear to the angry arrow smashers, I'm not offering excuses, rationalizations or support for Elon Musk, just a purely clinical view of his behavior, and why it's so dangerous that our system gives so much power to money. Without the influence his billions give him he would be just another annoying weird guy. Some people would probably even feel some sympathy for him if it didn't carry the risk of being called Evil.
His potential neurodivergence does not excuse the evil. The majority of autistic people comprehend morality.
I don't think he's trying to excuse it. I think he's saying you'd view an autistic Nazi walmart greeter more differently than you'd view an autistic Nazi whose already the wealthiest man in the world, and society's values are letting that wealth have a huge platform and allowing him to basically run the country unilaterally.
An autistic Nazi plebian doesn't have that kind of influence. Many people would probably pity them. An autistic Nazi being given the world is probably a bad thing.
I would describe the wealthiest person in the world, Elon Musk, as the oligarchic son of an apartheid mining oligarch. His personality “quirks” are an irrelevant distraction that excuse & explain nothing.
Autism =/= fascism or even being an insensitive moron. Autistic people are often highly sensitive to such topics.
You're painting autistic people in a bad light. There is nothing about autism that excuses such behavior.
There's also no reason to take anything I said as an "excuse".