Joe Rogan dethroned by anti-Trump podcast in the charts

I will say, before the election, i was watching them pretty hard. I dropped it for my own mental health after the election though. I wasn't a huge fan of Ben Meiselas because he became more and more sensational but I really liked Michael Popoks legal commentary. I felt like Ben started shading into the tone and repetition patterns of the far right podcasters but either way, they both always had their facts straight and everything they said and predicted was backed by evidence and legal experience. Popok is a smart fuckin dude though.

Also, I'd say they're "pro democracy" as that's the line they always pushed unless it changed after the election.

If you want to ease into it just check out Popoks stuff as it's way more objective. I learned so much about the legal/judicial system from him and it was all validated by other sources.

Not with that attitude. But go off! keep perpetuating it

Gotta play the YouTube algorithm sadly

Oh, so like Pod Save America. Ok, I'll avoid the shit out of it. Thanks!

Wow, I didn't think I'd have need to copy / paste a post from thirty seconds ago!

I don’t think you’re as familiar with the meaning of terms as you think. Some people call the NYT left-leaning. They absolutely are not. They are a liberal publication and that has a different meaning.

This is what I meant when I said USA citizens have been corrupted by decades of propaganda. Conservative idiots genuinely believe socialism is about making people eat bugs as opposed to helping people out and doing things for their betterment. And liberals genuinely believe that they are Leftists.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I don't see how recognizing the ideological difference between leftism & liberalism makes someone not a leftist... they differ pretty strongly on their central economic thesis, which is sort of a big deal given how influential the economy is in... like literally every area of our society & political systems...

Can you imagine if every time someone pointed out the difference between Democrats & Republicans, we had to sit through endless comments of people speaking up to say things like "don't gatekeep fascism, mom!!" or "not this moneybear twisted logic!!"?

Liberalism and Leftism broadly disagree on their respective core economic tenants. They're ideologically further apart than Democrats and Republicans. And yet, you struggle to comprehend them as distinct entities without getting upset and triggered... if you seriously consider it divisive to understand that diversity of opinion on the left is good and a sign of a healthy democracy, I don't know what to tell you.

You need to take a good long hard look at what you're promoting here. Not everybody needs to think the same or adhere to exactly the same ideology in order to be deserving of respect and work together with others for common causes. We don't need everyone to be grouped under one label for collective action and agreeable democratic reforms to take place. In fact, it's important that we aren't grouped that way... it's detrimental to us all regardless of whether you're liberal or left.

US liberals are generally center-right. They mean progressives.

Fascism is very specifically a right wing ideology. You're thinking of authoritarianism, which can go both ways. There is no such thing as lefty fascism.

"We're all just cavemen throwing spears at the other village" is not a tremendously helpful or thought-provoking insight, no matter how much truth there is to it.

Government policy is definitely not some illusory construct no matter how poorly the public comprehends or interacts with it.

And yet again.

I don’t think you’re as familiar with the meaning of terms as you think. Some people call the NYT left-leaning. They absolutely are not. They are a liberal publication and that has a different meaning.

This is what I meant when I said USA citizens have been corrupted by decades of propaganda. Conservative idiots genuinely believe socialism is about making people eat bugs as opposed to helping people out and doing things for their betterment. And liberals genuinely believe that they are Leftists.

Candace Owens is higher....

For me it's the recent percentage in increased subscribers. Is Ben Shapiro better/worse than Rogan? Isn't he branded as a more "intellectual" to those who listen to both? F.

I'm these people. Probably read like 7 books in my life but dozens of audio books 🤣. I get distracted while reading a book. Can crush audio books when I'm cleaning or driving though.

You can do both in a title.

They've had decades to finely tune the propaganda machine — utilizing surveillance capitalism, big data, and analytics — A/B testing their PsyOps campaigns in real-time.

The whole Cambridge Analytica debacle occurred almost a decade ago, and every criminal involved went on to bigger and better criminal enterprises. Major political parties across western "democracies" were directly involved in treasonous disinformation campaigns against their own citizens — a multinational corporate oligarchy were directly involved — that's why there were zero consequences...

We've already been living in corporate dictatorships for a long time. We just didn't know it yet.

Totally. I know plenty of people who would be considered smart by any standard, but when you're mainlining propaganda every hour, of every day, for multiple decades... it'll twist a person.

If you are trying to imply Democrats are leftists you are fucking delusional. Liberals don't understand class unity and do everything they can to prevent it from happening.

This comment here is why Lemmy will never get even a percent of reddit user numbers. Who gives a shit about that nonsense.

Indeed. YouTube and Apple are far more dominant than Spotify.

I would argue it’s one of few ways people listen to podcasts. And seeing as the article is talking about Joe Rogan, who is on Spotify exclusively, it kind of makes sense to look at Spotify statistics, no? Do you still feel so smart?

I keep subscribing, listening regularly then stopping and unsubscribing from various NPR podcasts and honestly I can only conclude that they bake in ads based on the listener and will do less ads for new listeners because I swear it's always a very small amount of ads initially every time

Having started primarily listening to audio books and sneaking in some podcasts between books it's very night and day comparing the experience of listening to each, with shitloads of ads vs none (or just "this is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. To learn more or to volunteer visit LibriVox.org") so it's much more hands off with audio books at least

Pocket Casts is my favorite, but AP is a great option that I used for quite a while.

Exactly! I’m showing these people that these are made up numbers, and I give one example, Spotify, and THATS what they’re hung up on. Not that the article is lying to them. Like..you can’t fake this level of stupidity.

He’s seeing other podcast providers now?