Welp.
Welp.
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Orange Diaper is burning my country’s goodwill to the ground and I’m so happy to see the rest of the world telling us to fuck off, and more importantly fucking with Americas wallet.
Consequences for bad behavior is the only way it ever gets corrected.
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You like being told to fuck off?
I'm making plans to leave and I'm not looking forward to being associated with the US
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It's like someone wished for more European defense spending but to the monkey's paw
The US wants better European militaries in case we can't help or share, not because we want to flat out refuse to help or share
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They look like they’re being told to smile or a family member will be killed.
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I guess they're just not actors
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Yeah, but it'll be a random family member - not necessarily a woman or LGBTQ+.
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I'm from Finland. It's late winter now. It's not Smiling Season yet.
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No no the guy is making a face like "I came here to fart don't follow me" and she's all "I came here to smell it"
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It's AI generated, isn't it?
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Kinda small on my phone but I don't think so. Most ai stuff looks more air brushed and the light is usually weird. This has skin imperfections and clothes wrinkles that look very real.
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Come to Germany! We do everything like the US, but with a 4 year delay and 10% less intense! Relive your memories of when your homeland went down the drain!
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I feel like the 4 year delay is gonna hit it's threshold and start surpassing the US. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like Germany has the populous to shift very quickly. Now that the US is full Fascism I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped. Which will also influence the rest of the west and Americans to hit the "kill all Muslims" button as hard as they can.
Starting with "Hamas/Palestine/Antisemitism" as the justification.
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I still have the hope that people see the trainwreck the US is now and go "oh shit", and try to avoid it
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I would say that the politically widespread "unwavering support" for a nation very overtly because of their dominant ethnicity, including whilst they're commiting a Genocide along ethnic lines themselves (the kind of thing one would naivelly expect Germans to be especially disgusted at), proved beyond any doubt that Racism in Germany is alive & well all across the political spectrum, from the supposed "left" of the Greens all the way to the far-right.
(AfD really is just the same mindset with the addition of "If it's good to unwaveringly support them no matter what they do, then it's also good for us")
Sadly whilst the symbols were forbidden, the way of thinking about other human beings (of seeing people as members of ethnicities and judging and treating them differently depending on ethnicity) that was the foundation for Nazism never actually died in Germany, they just changed who the ubermenschen and untermenschen are and don't actually say those words out loud.
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Living somewhere else is quite tempting in a grass is greener way, but it feels like moving out of my house because of pests. What I'd really rather do is eradicate the pests and get my home back. Even if I move, how long until I have to suffer new pests? Meanwhile the more sane of the two completely out of touch parties that comprise my government are like my housemate, and they keep leaving food wrappers and shit all over the place and they refuse to call an exterminator because it would be "cruel". But these no-kill traps ain't doing shit. Figuratively speaking, of course.
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Sometimes you gotta move out and leave your roommate alone in the mess, for them to hopefully realize that they are the problem
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I couldn't have said it better myself, I will definitely steal that analogy. Moving to another country is such an extreme step, because it means giving up everything I have here and adjusting to new people, new culture, new language, new everything. I'd rather my home stay pest-free.
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Of course we'd rather it stays pest free. For if you have black mold, would you stay there and have health consequences for rest of your life, your children and all. Or would you just think I'll abandon this, it's gonna cost a lot to give up the furniture and everything that you have build up over the years but it's not important than your life. Specifically as a non-white person where even your residence status isn't protecting you anymore.
And this current thing isn't the problem it's a symptom of a problem so deep, I don't really see us getting back to normal anytime soon. We might mitigate it, or maybe it'll get so bad people will realize the actual problems and work towards solving it. I just don't have energy to be that optimistic. I really wish people would be more empathetic, think about the community and be altruistic enough to address the bigger problem. But I don't see that happening.
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Their schools were already orders of magnitude cheaper. Get ready for extreme brain drain!
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I'm hoping to get into a pretty well regarded game dev school in Sweden that is $25k USD for the entire degree. Comparing it with anything similar in the US is mind boggling. Schools here are impossibly expensive
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That's still pricey imo
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Future games, innit? The one the ceo of the company that made It Takes Two finished?
It's mind boggling to me that this school exists. I mean they have the achievements of the alumni to schow, so good for them.
But still it's a paid school for game dev, famous for crunch, and worse salary than "normal" dev. So not only will you work more, and earn less, you also have to pay for your studies, since standard CS is free.
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Is this why Elon is pushing for anti-immigration parties in the EU? He doesn't want people to leave?
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Of course he doesn't want people to leave, how can he be king if all his serfs leave?
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This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there
Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.
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well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?
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It's kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It's depressing but it worked lol.
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I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.
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The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.
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Pity they leave the nukes there, for a bunch of rabid capitalist morons
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except they need the same experts to maintain nukes, Nukes have a "expiration date", they want it to mostly become like russia, where all the money goes to oligarches.
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My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.
She's fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We're starting to look into options though.
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College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it's for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :) Spain is so lovely. I hope I can land something there next.
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Healthcare in the US is terrible, but part of that is how much providers can charge. Healthcare providers aren’t able to charge as much in communities where it’s considered a basic human right. If she practices outside the US her earnings will probably not be as high - and thats even considering the insurance healthcare providers need to carry to account for lawsuits.
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The biggest problem in the US is how the insurance companies insert themselves between the doctor and patient, and tell you what services you're allowed to receive without even being in the room for the diagnosis.
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Meanwhile the Trump administration has asked Australian academics to justify that their US-funded research lines up with Conservative values
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And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.
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It has already been happening for several years now, it's just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a "negative brain drain" of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.
But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.
The brain drain is here, and won't be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.
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Makes sense. This is doing decades of damage. Plenty of past groundbreaking research came out of the US. But I get it. I wouldn’t want to move to the US either for very much the same reasons. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of paid holidays and gun safety would be the main reasons. Lack of food regulation would also be a concern. And now the current regime and the way too large chunk of the population that still seems happy with it means we put even tourist travel plans to the US on hold. Too scary at the moment. Trying to help the best I can from here, but there’s only so much you can do at a distance.
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its also very hard to get hired as faculty as colleges because of the limited space, alot of people graduaitng in the us with a undergrad thinks thier career path is a PHD, but its too competitive because tenures arnt leaving until thier dead, plus university can be stingy and hiring cheap temporary instructors,. also getting grad degrees are expensive and not easy too. oh yea i also hear about hte lack of wet lab experience before graduating with your undergrad degree, plus the amount of papers people are doing to get noticed by a university on thier CV. when i was in undergrad i was in a talk where the announcer said the professor attending today has to write dozens of research papers just to get hired. and then theres the complaint about quality of said research paper too.
im curious are they moving to other countries because "insurance, pay, politics"?
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It's already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We're already losing.
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It low-key reads like one of those "lonely singles in your area" ads.
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Yeah, I good with the message, but that's one of the most uncomfortable looking photos I've seen. Where are they supposed to be looking?
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This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.
But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.
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our 4-year university, actually state is actually suffering from low-enrollment issues, its getting so serious as of recently they have slash faculty and "less important classes": and the faculties getting canned said it was "birth rates", i was commenting on the sub, said it was HCOL, and low job prospects.
many state Uni in our area also have big problems too. its likely stemmed from covid, where everyone had a shitty education from classes being online only, cant really learn anything if you cant ask in person questions. although i think covid just unmasked systemic issues going before the pandemic. ive seen disasstisfied reviews on yelp going back 2016. i was curious after graduation if any universities had yelp reviews they all did.
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Say less, I'm omw
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The US University experience
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Excuse me. They have a women. This is clearly a DEI group of fascist.
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Hey ya know, just how it be sometimes
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Estonian here, first Yank scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say "come work at" I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol
Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don't use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.
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Same in Finland: a Californian or a Hawaiian is a Yankee (in Finnish: jenkki) here.
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I love Tartu, but last I heard, the pay and funding sucked. How is it now?
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Apparently it's only good if you get good grants and scheme around with the money.
According to this professors and above make pretty good money for Tartu cost of living, assuming you're not trying to support an entire family on a single salary.
Really, it's a place you could move to for the vibes, but it won't be the best place to make money.
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Man I just love being undesirable in every country due to my beliefs, lifestyle, or lack of a degree.
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Explain the "beliefs" so I can judge you.
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All of these things can change
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Very few people can operate a transporter, though.
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You make a good point, I'll have to see if there are any practical applications in Europe or Canada.
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Actual free market at work, as opposed to the shit we have in the U.S.
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Emotional, fucking, damage.
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Why would Americans feel emotional damage from this? They have freedom to be Christian, and self reliant, and proud.
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Yeah brain drain isn't as cool when it happens here, is it?
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Wouldn't that be wonderful, so see the greatest brain-drain in human history. Couldn't happen to nicer people.
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TORILLE
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We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!
ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.
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Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)
PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!
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How much is med school there and are older people welcomed into the schools? I had to drop my premed program here in the US because I either need to be a med student for rural America ... which can get fucked imo or pay a million to stay in "progressive" cities.
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theres a shortages in the us to for prof, because the tenures are not retiring to leave any positions open, so alot of them end up not applying to colleges anymore, also the fact that many schools are abusing just using adjuncts only
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I wouldn't mind moving to canada since I'm really close to the border anyway. it would be like nothing happened almost
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Come to Australia! If you’re on the west coast of America, it’s not even that ridiculous a journey. It’s quite like America in lots of good ways, and less so in the insane, gun-toting ways. (Lots of idiot-trucks still, though 😞)
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You guys are gutting funding, unfortunately.
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this is just latest problem and is only a symptom of a larger set of issues going back to your 1st degree.
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they only want scientists(phds) in many countries outside of us(i know there are alot there are struggling after just thier initial undergrad and even thier masters)(struggling as in the job prospects for biotech is quite a bit poor for those who are not eligible for grad school, or need experience)
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This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like... I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I'm ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.
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ive seen alot of job listing requiring some bioinformatics training, something the university dont warn people about, aside from the wet lab experience you need before graduating.
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It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.
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I have a friend here in the US who is on a visa and is planning on leaving the US after undergrad and doing grad school in Europe somewhere
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Loadsa Yanks in Edinburgh
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Aberdeen and Glasgow too tbh.
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I’m in.
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I too enjoy the freedom to think my thoughts!
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Makes me very sad because of course brain drain is inevitable under the circumstances, but selfishly I worry for my families future without them. We can’t afford to get out. Many of us didn’t have the opportunities to become someone who could leave the country in any capacity, let alone now. Just…please if you’re considering this, remember who you’re leaving behind that aren’t the Trump sycophants. I know it’s not your job to fix anything. But if you’re moving to some place because it’s more equitable, I would find it extremely hypocritical that you would be contributing to inequality yourself by doing so.
And, if you’re still not convinced, think about this. This ad is specifically for Finland. That’s a country that just joined NATO because it rightfully fears Russian aggression. But now NATO isn’t a reliable alliance, and Europe will be scrambling to create its own defensive pact. Finland is one of the most immediately vulnerable in this gap however - so, if you move there and Russia comes knocking, when does the running stop? Do you now stay in Finland or do you just keep running?
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Lmao I'm not moving to Europe
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Yes move to Europe with stagnant economies and 60% tax rates. There are evident reasons why the EU isnt competitive, it's not a secret.
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I'd say we do pretty well and STILL have affordable healthcare. But I'm sure potholes and a few extra billionaires are worth the tradeoff.
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America is a shithole that treats their workers like shit overall. I would love to be able to move to Europe.
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the income is "reasonablly" decent if you reach the PHD/MD level(more true for MD than for PHD though) but for ms AND BS, its pretty low. theres also the problem with getting lab experience too.
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There is great opportunity in America. People all over the world still want to come here for a chance to compete. Bow down before the great Eagle, cawcaw!! Sure we have our problems but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. The border to leave stays open btw.
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And long ass vacations. I’m in.
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Long ass vacays is true, I'll give you that one.
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I live better and more cheaply here than I did in the US, to each their own.
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doesnt really matter if USA has HCOL, extremely volatile politics, plus significant anti-science and intellectualism going on. alot of successful scientists tend to immigrate wealthy conservative countries like parts of india, and M.E, thats why there are ton of successful scientists that are well off to begin with.
when they made columbia or another university MED SCHOOL free for a while, they saw disadvantaged students were less likely to get in admissions than their richer white counterparts.
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I don't get it. The US didn't go and fire a bunch of women professors, we still have many women professors. The comment in the image makes no sense to me, its jumping.
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Do you honestly not get it, or are you just trying to push back against a message you don't like?
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If all the professors had left already who would they be advertising to? Don't hurt your brain thinking too much about that.
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My brain is starting to hurt.
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