Love to see it

As an unfortunate USian, I get a small panic attack any time the red option is shown as the winner of an election. Good on Y'all for not catching too much of our crazy.

So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they've basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.
Feels like I'm watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.
- That's not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn't possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump's plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.
- The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn't Poilievre I'm sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.
  
  More likely is the Conservatives will split back into 2 parties. The Progressives vs the Reformers.
  
  Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again.
  Rather than settling for the investment banker, they could all rally around a candidate that's interested in social good.
  The Left doesn't have to split.
  
  Not if we have ranked choice voting with proportional representation.

Look at how close it was. Canada may want to start stomping down the Trump wannabes now or they will be where the US is in about 10 years (or sooner).
- I think "stomping down" is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family... Asking them "how do I change your mind" or "what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side" has shown me some people can't be helped.
  I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I'm super happy.
  
  The ones that can't be reasoned with; They have to be stomped down. We tried to be nice to the maggots, but it didn't work.
  
  No. I said what I said. These people are pure evil. They are the new Nazi party.
  
  Well, what would change your mind and have you vote conservative?
  
  Stomping down is the right phrase. Americans should have been making MAGAs afraid to leave their houses the past four years.
- An electoral reform wouldn't hurt.
  
  This is my main thought. Once the immediate threat of Trump is past, the country will return to the global standard of "elect whoever wasn't running things when everything got worse". I hope the liberals see that writing on the wall and put electoral reform in place so that the smaller parties stand a chance and aren't all killed by the usual "strategic voting" nonsense.
  I really think it's Canada's best shot at not electing a Conservative majority when the party seems to be at peak crazy. I'd really rather not count on them returning to the center over the next 4 years when global politics is more divided than I've ever seen.
  
  The Oranges are in a position to push for RCV (simpler, same seats) and continue the push for dental and vision care. Hell, I'll wear Government Specs .
  IMHO, a minority-red gov is a best-case for us.
  
  Your comment is exactly why electoral reform can't happen now. When all of the people pushing for changes in the elections really just want to make it so their party will win (or some other party will lose), it's obvious to everyone the push for electoral reform isn't being done in good faith, so it's not all that different from vote rigging.
  It's possible that the CPC might split and if that were to happen, then there might be a broad support for electoral reform. Unless that happens, it's just a bunch of lefties trying to rig the system so the Conservatives can't win.
  And trust me I'm no Conservative, I can just understand what electoral reform sounds like to anyone outside of the lefty bubble.
  Also proportional representation is just straight up a bad system. It only looks good from the perspective of a spreadsheet, it's terrible when you consider power dynamics. But that shitty system is constantly sucking up all of the attention so people pushing for electoral reform are pushing for a system most people don't want. Stop trying to make proportional representation happen in Canada, it's not going to happen.
- As someone watching from the US (and who has looked at possibly ~~immigrating~~ emigrating there) that's what I noticed too. It seemed like the split wasn't too far from Trump's current approval rating. Luckily Canada doesn't have to deal with the disaster that is the electoral college. This result however does make me really concerned about Canada's next big election.
  
  My hope is that the CPC* splits and/or reforms into a more moderate and respectable party, so that at least it won't be fucking armageddon in the event that they win a future election. But if I know conservatives worldwide, they won't learn shit.
  (Edit: CPC, not UCP)
  
  Sorry for pedantry but I only mention it in case you’re serious about the move you might end up using the words a lot - in this case you might like the word “emigrate” to describe what you’ll be doing as from your current position you would be describing the action from the “leaving” perspective more than the arriving.
- The only stomping I want is Stomping Tom Conners
  edit: and STOMP
- I mean, the whole reason this happened is they stomped down themselves, with the US power.
- How do you defeat the Music Man who was basically a con man? I wondered about what they sounded like and looked them up to see if they used hypnosis and con man techniques like Trump. Nope, just basic con man tactics.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZdong1-fxQ
- Canada is not the United States. Not to say we don't have our share of problems, but saying that a political flyweight like Petey Rockhare is some sort of Trump is weirdly unfair to both
  
  It's not about the individual politicians at this stage. It's about nurturing a certain sentiment until a really popular person comes along and sweeps up a majority. Source: I'm from the US.

I'm not Canadian, Thank you Canada, there is hope after all.
- There's hope but this was too close. The Conservatives upped their numbers as did the Liberals. It was only the progressive/reasonable vote banding together that saved the day.
- Its complicated; I cant really see the hope for these reasons. Canada had a housing crisis 10 years ago, prices were way too high relative to incomes. The shortage then worsened and prices ratcheted up as we increased immigration.
  In 2023 we had huge asset price inflation like most places, due to QE from the Bank of Canada that was used to fund Covid stimulus, which caused asset values to skyrocket. We took in over a million people that year to sustain asset prices and keep wages depressed. This is known as the phillips curve, its generally expected wages rise after inflation due to wage pressure, as people ask for raises to deal with the rising cost of living.
  https://thehub.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Fig1_AnnualPopulationGrowth_graph_v1-1170x839.jpg
  Canada's main cities are now within the top 10 most expensive cities in the world. The income required to afford to live there is above 200k, while the median wage is only 70k a year.
  https://globalnews.ca/news/10572326/impossibly-unaffordable-housing-vancouver-report/
  Carney promised to cap immigration at 1% population growth a year, which is 415,000 people a year. Annual deaths are at around 320,000, and births about 360,000 people, so we will grow at around 465,000 people a year. Given in 2022 we welcomed the most we have ever welcomed at 405,000, where prices were already rising dramatically, I dont see how the cost of living gets any better for young people. I actually dont see a single change to the existing Liberal plan at all, they were basically expecting that exact same number in 2022.
  https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/11/an-immigration-plan-to-grow-the-economy.html

A very important thing to remember this election: The Conservatives had a 30-point lead and were set to gain over 200 seats in a sweeping majority victory and they blew it. They blew it and their leader lost his own seat. The fact we even have a Liberal minority at all is incredible.
So while the Conservative party still has a lot of seats, enough Canadians disliked PP and his campaign enough to erode a 30 point lead. PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can't even get elected in his own riding.
- But what leader would do better for the party? PP had initially focused on being anti-Trudeau because his party's policies weren't going to win. Then, his party got fucked by being associated with Trump and PP tried to keep Trump out of the election.
  PP got beat, but he played his political hand relatively well.
  
  My personal belief is that the reason Trudeau resigned is because the Liberal Party got a political consultant to determine what would get the party to a win, and determined that the party needed a more traditional business focused leader to get the win, and that they needed to pick someone with a good image overall. I think where the conservatives failed is picking a pretty faceless generic conservative who is not very accessible and does the old Harper trick of two questions only, and doesn't even seem to like anything or anybody in Canada very much, and there was no love in particular for the leader, just the Fuck Trudeau crowd banging their endless gong. I think the trouble they have as a party is that none of their members in particular have an appealing personality that connects with people at all, or reflects traditional Canadian values or make anything in the country better, they just gripe about what the Liberals do and try to block it. I do not think many people connect with the empty suits that their party consists of, just angry, stupid or old people who want things to go back in time vote for them, or greedy rich people hoarding wealth.
  Unless they get a personable candidate and stay away from social issues like abortion, LGBT issues and the golden calf of health care, they'll never go anywhere. A tide of ignorance is not going to sway undecided voters, and I think if Canadians have their values threatened we retreat to the safety of the Liberals. I don't think they have anyone like that in their party at all who could lead, and I don't think they're savvy enough to attract someone like that.
  
  his party got fucked by being associated with Trump
  They fucked themselves by associating with Trump and America's conservadorism.
  
  I'll do it. I'm a straight white married man. Business owner with a finance background. I'm also very left wing. I'm the perfect Manchurian candidate.
- Trump won the election for the liberals more than anyone else.
  
  Nah, the Liberals deserve the bigger credit. I don't necessarily think they could have won without Trump shitting the fan for Conservatives but their actions created the necessary conditions for the win: 1) Drop Trudeau; 2) Don't pick Freeland, pick a white middle age man from the finance industry; 3) Get rid of the consumer carbon pricing; 4) Focus on the economy instead of progressive values. Without any of these, it would have been a CPC win even with Poilievre wearing a MAGA hat.
- Happy that the Trump presidency could at least contribute one positive outcome.
- PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can’t even get elected in his own riding.
  You're not thinking like a Conservative MP. Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership. We're now closer to a two party system, and Conservatives benefit from this tremendously. CPC ate the PPC. I'm 100% sure that they're chucking this loss to bad luck with Trump timing, they had to reinvent themselves in 3 months. With 2 years of planning (and bootlicking down south), they'll be better prepared and Poilievre is their winning strategy. In this cycle, the CPC successfully FPTP'ed the NDP and the Greens out of existence. They're well positioned to a minority govt with Bloc in a few years.
  
  Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership.
  I agree the Conservatives have grown in influence but I don't believe it was because of Poilievre. It doesn't matter who leads the conservative party, the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons, he dropped the ball hard, and probably still would have won if it wasn't for Trump slapping Canada in the face and waking a bunch of us up. Any influence gained was because it was "their turn", not Poilievre's leadership.
  The question is, did the Conservatives come close to winning because of Poilievre, or did they lose a sure thing because of him? Based on what things looked like 6 months ago, I'd say the latter.

Hopefully this will signal to the Conservatives that Canadians don't have any use for a demagogue who attributes the world's ills to "wokeness," but I'm not holding my breath.
- Conservatives have more seats now so that’s definitely not the lesson they’re learning. Probably this just means that they need to pick a rural district to run their party leader

If Canada had Australian-style preferential voting (i.e. you numbered your candidates in order of preference, and if your first choice got eliminated, your vote cascaded to your second, and so on until it was tallied for your least-disliked of the two leading candidates), the Liberals would have a significantly more comfortable margin (assuming that they got most of the Greens’ preferences and at least half of the NDP)
- We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I'm still quite bitter about it
  
  You will never get it top down. The major parties all prefer and benefit from different systems.
  If you truely care about electoral reform your best bet is bottom up. Start getting your preferred form into municipal elections. We almost had that in Ontario until Doug showed up and fucked us.
  
  Well I'm sure they'll change the status quo that favors them this time.
- I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn't have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.
  I strongly support mandatory voting. If you're against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I'm no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn't be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.
  
  If we had ranked choice or some other system, dems and repubs would both lose to third parties that actually represent the people

- I have the weirdest fucking headache, and the release of tension is all I can think of to explain it.
- Smoking is bad.
  
  You're allowed to fire one up if you manage to beat back the creeping ride of fascism for a while.
  
  I’m anti-smoker myself.
  It’s about the sentiment conveyed.
  
  Mkay

I know nothing about canadian politics, but Fanjoy looks like he is having a lot of fun and joy. 😺
- To give a bit of context. The person in second, Pierre Poilievre, is the leader of the Conservative party and campaigned for Prime Minister of Canada. Canadians don't vote directly for Prime Minister. The country is divided into a few hundred ridings and each riding gets to elect a Member of Parliament. The party with the most MPs gets to form government, and their leader becomes the Prime Minister.
  Not only has Poilievre failed to win enough seats for the Conservative party to form government, he might not even win his own seat. A seat he has held for 20 years. It would be embarrassing for him and hilarious for all the Canadians that think he's a dickhead.
  
  Thanks for clarification!
  not even win his own seat
  As in he won't be elected as a member of parliament because not enough people voted for him in his region?
- I'd say I'm a fan of his.

So, now what for Poilievre?
Maybe the knives come out and he's forced out as Conservative leader. I mean, he had a 20 percentage point lead over the Liberals and lost it. That has to piss them off. All he needed to do is do what Doug Ford did and stand up for Canada and against Trump.
But, if he doesn't step down, where does he get someone to step down so he can run in a by-election? If he wants to stay near Ottawa, he'll really have to move somewhere rural. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who actually likes rural people or rural life very much. Or, he could move to Alberta. Lots of safe Conservative ridings in Alberta, some are even in urban areas. But, will they want a guy who is the very model of a carpet-bagger? A politician who has never had a job outside of politics, not just from "Ottawa" meaning the federal government, but who has literally lived in Ottawa(ish) for years?
I hope they ditch him. I'm sure the conservative party could do a lot worse, but there's also a chance they could find a leader who has actually done something with their lives outside politics, and who has their own ideas, not just reheated culture war crap from Canada's Shorts and just shouting down anything the Liberals suggest.
- He lost his seat. He's toast. He'll be writing op-eds for Postmedia in a month.
  
  He will get a $20,000 per month for life pension, unless he renounces suckling at the teat of the public purse and gets a real job.
  So, he will get a $20,000 per month for life pension.
  
  I'm sure Rebel has a seat open for him.
- do what Doug Ford did and ~~stand up for Canada and against Trump~~ grandstand at a podium for the cameras.
  There. Fixed that for ya.
  
  Carney is the kind of person that Trump has always tried to impress. Polievre is the kind of person and Trump has always turned into a sniveling sycophant. We're better off with Carney.
  
  Sure, phrase it that way if you want. But, the point is, he did something to convince people he was anti-Trump and standing up for Canadians and it worked. Poilievre didn't do that and lost.
- He just has to move one riding over to Lanark.
  
  He's a city boy though, would he survive living in Carleton Place? Also, the conservative candidate there only won by 5 percentage points. There's probably a risk that if he ran there he'd lose again. Same name as his riding, but definitely no longer just suburban.
  
  Please no.

I helped!
- Same! Me and all the people I know in this riding as well.
  
  Thank you guys!
  Hopefully PP is done now. Sounds like its up to the party if he is still the leader? Without a seat that's going to be hard, isn't it?
  
  Thank you, both of you, for your service! 🙏
  
  Hey I have a question - I heard that there was a sort of protest in your riding to protest FPTP and so a whole whackload of independents had registered (close to 90?). Did that cause a lot of confusion at the ballot? Were the physical ballots like massive?
  Just curious, as I thought it was a really great (and funny) way to protest tbh, but wondering how much of a headache it caused for the typical voter.

I am a fan. I have joy.

Thoroughly hilarious. Go away Chode boy, nobody likes you!

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Liberal Bruce Fanjoy topples Pierre Poilievre in Carleton

Are people watching fox news in canada as well? Or is it twitter and facebook?
- Yes to both. Also, Tiktok, Joe Rogan, and Jordan Peterson for the younger ones, and every newspaper being part of the American owned right wing Postmedia behemoth for the olds who still read the paper.
- And Tiktok and youtube.
  I hear people bring up the first and second amendment in Canada, they clearly have strong feelings about Rupert's Land and its governance.
  If you have a different idea about something like how taxes should be spent, I can hear you out. If all you do is bring up points that don't apply to you from a different county, well, it's embarrassing for both of us.
- Rural areas without cable get a lot of Fox news stations with strong signals. I remember growing in Leeds-Grenville it was like 1 CBC station vs 3 Fox stations on the antenna.
  
  No wonder why the PCC wants to defund CBC.

- Nice hair

Makes me feel a lot bettter about losing high quality men such as Jagmeet Singh and Jonathan Pedneault!
- Can't agree! Muclair and Singh moved so far to center they destroyed the party. Not just my words, the party removed all reference to socialism from the party constitution.
  
  It was a strategy that made a half-assed amount of sense during the years where the Liberals were struggling. Canadians (particularly Ontario) seems to like their politics roughly center. So if you want to supplant the Liberals as the main party representing the Left, you can't be too far left. Same thing happens to the Conservatives. Every time they drift too far right to appease the Alberta crowd, they start losing the Ontario suburbs.
  Plus, "socialism" is still a bad word for most of the older population. You can get rid of the word, change none of the policies, and that will be enough to keep the "socialism bad" crowd happy.
- Oh no, did Jagmeet lose his seat too? I'm a liberal but Jagmeet is a good guy, didn't deserve that.
  
  He did, and he's stepping down as party leader. Personally, I think it's a good thing. His leadership has been far too soft and cuddly. The NDP need a leader who will channel the anger a lot of Canadians are feeling at watching their quality of life get sold off to oligarchs.
  
  I have zero issue with Jagmeet leadership but he failed to reverse the decline in the power and number of seats NPD had

As a woman, a lesbian, a disabled person, and someone who thinks all humans deserve rights.. I am so relieved. I voted Liberal for the first time in my life, and was glad to do it - Carney makes me hopeful again for the first time in a long time.
- Carney is a neoliberal banker. This guy has abused every tax loop hole in the book. He's still better than the fascist conservatives, but I won't be getting my hopes up.
  
  If I could have voted NDP without tossing my vote away into the wind, I would have. Instead of being negative about it, get involved. Call, write, engage, and otherwise communicate with your elected officials, your community; we are lazy and complicit, and it's shameful.

PP gone forever? Or is CPC somehow going to give him another seat so he can stay leader?
- Yes, that's where the drama will unfold next. Will there be a civil war, and how many factions will be involved?
  
  Split the right like the left? Sorry, I can only get so erect
- They can’t give him someone else’s seat. They can ask someone else to resign their seat and he can run in a byelection for that seat but the prime minister (Carney) can wait up to 6 months before calling the byelection, which itself can have a campaign period of up to 50 days.
  So if Carney wants to, he can keep PP out of office until at least next year.
  The other cool thing is that PP is no longer eligible to occupy Stornoway House, the residence of the leader of the official opposition, since PP no longer has a seat. This means he has to move out and he loses access to the $200k year budget for household staff. So he’ll have to get out there and look for housing like the rest of us plebs (though he can easily afford it).
  
  Whoever the conservatives choose as parliamentary leader can defer it to him according to CBC, so he shouldn't have to move out.
- I wish he'd try working a real job for once in his life.
  But realistically, if he we're going to step down willingly it would have occurred last night. We'll see if the party sacrifices another MP to let him stay on. Fucking guy.
- The latter. This ghoul is not going away.