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Trump surgeon general pick, Casey Means, praised unproven psychedelic therapy, said mushrooms helped her find love. She's also pro raw milk.

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Trump surgeon general pick praised unproven psychedelic therapy, said mushrooms helped her find love

I looked at her Wikipedia page for all of ~15 seconds and I found this gem.

Means has spoken in support of raw milk, stating, "When it comes to a question like raw milk, I want to be free to form a relationship with a local farmer, understand his integrity, look him in the eyes, pet his cow, and then decide if I feel safe to drink the milk from his farm."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Means

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  • When paired with talk therapy, it has been studied as a treatment for psychiatric conditions and alcoholism, but very little research has been done in healthy people.

    Little research has been done because it's a controlled substance.

    It's a controlled substance because we lack research. šŸ™ƒ

    And since psilocybin can't be patented, there is no profit incentive to fund research. Most efficient system.

    Bill Burr credits mushrooms for improving his personality.

  • Mushrooms are good but I don't hold with this therapy angle. Just go take em in the woods.

    • Last I heard they were good at treating addiction but this was years ago and I never really followed up with this.

      • Basically all psychedelic research has major methodology flaws and systemic issues behind it

        Methodology: Expectancy bias - the control vs condition is usually abundantly clear to both the participants and researchers. The impact of the drugs are so dramatic that it’s fairly obvious what category they’re in. So then people on the drugs expect to see benefits and clinicians (unexpectedly or otherwise) reinforce this

        Often co occur with talk therapy which confounds effect, eg which is helping?

        Often go by subject self report and not any kind of objective measure of symptoms

        Subjects are often highly selected, filtering comorbidities like bipolar disorder or suicidal ideation

        Very few, if any, have explored effect beyond 1 year or so

        There have been ethical issues on the part of therapists doing the trials (MDMA MAPS research specifically)

        Studies for addiction specifically are preliminary and small but do show promise

        Systemically:

        There is a huge demand for novel treatments for treatment resistant depression and PTSD. This will be an extremely lucrative industry

        There is a huge demand for a legitimized pathway to psychedelic drugs. If medical marijuana and ketamine treatment are any indicators there will be plenty of doctors that will be absolutely willing to meet you via zoom, basically ask ā€œdo you have ptsd?ā€ and then write you a script for Molly. It’s positive that this will give users a safe source of these drugs free of adulterants and limit legal consequences but it will also reflect the above: lucrative industry.

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        They likely have some benefit but are not the wonder drugs some people make them out to be. Mental health is complex, ptsd and depression are difficult and aren’t really cured as much as managed. Medications can help and novel medications are needed. There are likely no medications that would ā€œfixā€ the issue on their own though. Patterns of behavior perpetuate sensitization to trauma and influence cycles of depression.

        Medication may be a part of that puzzle of achieving remission of course. using psilocybin as an example: one of the reasons it’s promising as a method is because it increases cortical entropy, which increases variability in brain patterns. There is also disruption of the default mode network, which can change self referential and ruminative thought. These effects are obviously desirable. But if you immediately go back to a pattern of hiding from your trauma, a life devoid of meaning, or a cycle of deactivating behaviors the pattern will potentially re emerge

        To expand on that last point this side steps the obvious elephant in the room of these treatments can’t fix systemic issues. I’ve been doing mental health treatment for over a decade and you can’t cbt or pills your way out of social issues. Even if mushrooms were a miracle cure for treatment resistant depression it would just come right back after spending a few months or years in a system where you constantly scrape for a paycheck to barely cover costs, dread the future you can’t afford to retire in, and recognize the system that will not throw you a life preserver when you are drowning.

        A huge percentage of the people I work with that are depressed and can’t ā€œbeat itā€ aren’t that way because they haven’t found the right pills, talk therapy, or lack of trying. It’s because they are stuck in a system that gives them no resources to explore their passion and creativity. They were in high school and were interested in art, science, music, writing, dance, whatever. But then they entered ā€œjob modeā€ and the time and money they had for their hobbies diminished rapidly. Now it’s 5,10,20 years later and social spaces not dedicated to getting drunk are rare or expensive, they spend 50-70% of income on housing and medical expenses, they work 50+ hours a week in a job unrelated to their interests, that they ā€œfell intoā€.

        Imagine if they had equitable housing, a pension, and healthcare. The ability to be able to go back to school and study something they were more passionate about and make it work without incurring extreme debt or having to balance it with employment that impairs their ability to focus on studies. Would it work for all of them? No. But would you see a lot of people with ā€œtreatment resistant depressionā€ start to just feel better and more secure

      • There is lots of research about low dose mushrooms being extremely effective at treating things like PTSD and depression

  • I think the reason these people praise raw milk specifically is because it’s enough to make you sick enough to require serious hospitalization but often not sick enough to die and be unable to pay back your medical debt, so from a healthcare expense perspective, it’s a pretty potent revenue driving tool. Plus you’ll probably get repeat customers.

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