Eight US states seek to outlaw chemtrails – even though they aren’t real
Eight US states seek to outlaw chemtrails – even though they aren’t real
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Eight US states seek to outlaw chemtrails – even though they aren’t real
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I hate the government, but this is stupid, especially considering that the government was supposedly behind this the whole time. The people who think these are chemtrails have no ideological integrity. When they find something evil done by the United States, instead of standing against the United States, they believe that it was someone else's fault who is nonetheless powerful. To them, it could be George Soros' fault, it could be the Democrats' fault, it could be the Deep State's fault, but never America's fault. I believe many of the real problems today: people being left houseless and starving, masked ICE agents tormenting people, war in the Middle East between Israel and Iran, and so on are the fault of the United States--not Jews or Communists or Russo-Chinese interference--and it's not happening to America.
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by "this is stupid" I mean "the idea of chemtrails being used by the government is stupid".
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Let me get this straight. They are going to outlaw... water condensation. They are literally the grandpa from The Simpsons yelling at the clouds. Because chemtrails are basically just clouds. It's just water vapor from the airplane engines condensing in cold atmosphere at high altitudes. Because it's cold up there. They know it's cold up there, right? Right? Imagine being a grown fucking adult and not knowing how this shit works. Go out in the winter and breathe with open mouth. You're now breathing out chemtrails. you fucking dumbasses.
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No no, you see, chemtrails look and behave exactly like contrails. They're entirely, completely, 100% indistinguishable from contrails. So now that theyve banned them, you can be sure that all those trails you see in the sky are pure contrails and you've got your local Republican politician to thank for it!
Its definitely not just that they want an easy win without actually having to do anything, do not look at the man behind the curtain!
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See the problem is you’re using logic and reason backed up by facts. They need to hear loud buzzwords from talking heads.
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Well technically not just water they also contain some chemicals from the exhaust. Ironically those same people don't mind exhausts from cars or coal power plants.
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Well if you can see condensed water vapor in open air, it's most likely nucleating around something. And that something is probably the combustion products from the jet fuel. I don't know exactly what each of those thousands of molecular structures are, but burning fuels in general can produce a whole host of compounds including Polyaromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs) that can be rather carcinogenic. And that pollution most likely settles somewhere on the planet surface eventually.
As takeda said in another comment, it might not be worse than more local sources like cars or trains or power plants, but it's very unlikely to just be water, and probably not healthy.
I'm not saying it's a deliberate spread of chemicals and it's certainly not the mind control nonsense that conspiracy lunatics think. No, most combustion products are just waste with no real use. But calling it "just water" or "harmless clouds" can't be entirely right unless you believe carbon atoms can just disappear.
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The logic behind chemtrails is that evil governments or the rich Illuminati elite are intentionally spraying specific chemicals to control population. If argument was ecological impact of burning fuel, then we'd have to ban airplanes, not chemtrails. But that's not the argument.
Also it's not water droplets or vapor, it's most likely crystalized water vapor or droplets. Commercial airplanes fly at around 10km above ground and temperatures can get very low, we're talking -40°C. It's literally those videos where someone throws a pot of hot water up in the air outside during cold winter. It instantly turns into a white mist. Hot jet engines, cold atmosphere, burned fuel and vapor during combustion, would you look at that... CHEMTRAILS!
Not to mention weight is incredible luxury metric on airplanes. If conspiracy people think commercial airlines would carry half the fuel on board and replace other half with chemicals for chemtrails, because reasons, yeah, they don't do that. They actually rather not even fill the fuel tanks all the way if it's not necessary for the flight and rather do it when airplane touches at the destination and they refuel it there. Because carrying additional weight consumes more fuel, even if that weight is the fuel itself.
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Also all the CO2, clearly we should be banning these flying machines from spreading mass quantities of weather changing chemicals in our atmosphere.
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I dont think this is true. My understanding is that its excess jet fuel being jettisoned before landing to reduce weight. Not that thats any better, but its for saftey.
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My understanding…
You’ve misunderstood.
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The only time fuel is dumped by aircraft is during an emergency and either 1) needs to land somewhere unexpected and is far overweight for the runway, or 2) there is a situation where the landing is exceedingly dangerous and there's a need to reduce weight and potential fireball size (e.g. landing gear failures).
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Yeah pretty sure that's not a thing.
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Only for emergency landings. Airplanes are only fueled for a planned flight plus some reserve for economic reasons (carrying excess fuel means you consume more fuel and that costs airlines money). If you're making a regular planned approach you've already used most of planned fuel and airplane is ready to land as is. For emergency landings soon after takeoff, landing at that time would mean airplane is too heavy and would probably destroy landing gear and damage fuselage/wings on touchdown and you don't want that when you already have other problems. Only then they dump the excess fuel to get to the right landing load (weight). Source: I watch a lot of air crash investigations on TV.
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The "chemtrail" conspiracy is particularly stupid. Like, you've got to put effort into your own duncefuckery to make the moronic leaps necessary.
"Jetliners are spraying mind control juice"
Uh huh, so, where on the jetliner is it stored? The belly is full of avionics and baggage compartment, the passenger compartment is full of seats, the wings are full of fuel, the tail has maybe a little void space, but enough to crop dust entire time zones? Can you show me any evidence of a jet aircraft equipped with such a dispersion system?
Oh they're flying special flights just for this? Okay, can you show me such a flight that obviously isn't what it says it is? There hasn't been a single air crew, maintenance tech, parts supplier, chemical plant janitor, etc. come forward about any of this?
Oh it's mixed straight into the fuel! Okay, so the Vote For Obama juice still works after spending hours to days dissolved in kerosene and PRIST, and then burned in a jet engine. Again, nobody anywhere in the fuel supply infrastructure has said anything about this. There hasn't been a single Youtube video or Reddit thread about "what are my bosses pumping into the jet fuel?"
I guess they've also paid off all the chemical labs that analyze fuel, oil and other fluid samples. Because that's a thing, aircraft mechanics take samples of engine oil and such and send them to labs for gas chromatography. It's kinda cool, they'll send you a report that says "We're seeing elevated levels of tin and copper consistent with accelerated wear of the intake valve bushings." Nobody has gotten a report back from a lab like that talking about exotic molecules ?
Why would you bother using jet airliners for this that fly extremely high? Some of the particles dispersed would outright NEVER land, some of them will drift hundreds if not thousands of miles before coming to rest in the ocean or a desert. Why not mix the Vote For Obama juice into diesel fuel to be burned by semi-trucks, down near the ground usually where you can find people? Or into automotive gasoline? Surely you could use much less of the chemical that way because it's being burned so close to people.
Maybe that's why Big They are so fucking keen to keep Republicans driving big gas guzzling micropenis trucks around? So that Republican areas get basted with Vote For Obama juice.
Oh, also: There's tetraethyl lead in aviation gasoline. Added as an octane booster and anti-knock additive, it's a POTENT neurotoxin that makes people stupid and asocial. The fuel pumps have a big sign on them saying as much. It shows up in those chromatography tests of engine oil...and in fact you can see it. A bucket of used aviation piston engine oil has a dull metallic sheen on the surface from the lead that didn't make it out of the engine. It's not burned in the quantities that we burn jet fuel, but piston-powered planes do fly lower and closer to civilization in most cases.
But you can't care about any of that, you've got third generation fetal alcohol syndrome so you're just scared of the lines in the sky.
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Truck exhaust blows away. They can't see it anymore. Contrails linger for a while. They can see that.
They can see planes. They can't see inside planes. Therefore, they can imagine anything they want inside because they can't verify it themselves.
The things they can't see anymore are gone. The things they can't see into contain the worst possible scenario.
And that litter box in schools things for the kid identifying as a cat? The story is ALWAYS about someone else's schools. They can picture a different school. They can imagine the worst scenario in there.
This whole political ideology is an exercise in failed object permanence.
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It takes more than just failed object permanence to think like they do. They're also scared of everything they don't understand, which is everything. They're underdeveloped children who only think they are a respectable adult.
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"We already knew that. The microchips are in on the lead in the fuel. The lead protects the chips from burning up in the engine. Why do you think they put metal in a fuel, huh?"
*Conspiracy theory shortcut happens *
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Just today I learned that the fuel Cessnas use has lead in it, because the engines were developed when lead was in all gasoline and they have not found it worthwhile to certify all of those tens or hundreds of thousands of planes with new engines.
In fact, I was at a fly-in today and there were several Cessnas that were 60 and 70 years old. no unleaded fuel, and no added ethanol, either.
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So in the specific case of Cessnas, the first Cessna 172 to require leaded fuel was built in 1977. That was the year they switched from a 6 cylinder Continental O-300 engine to that goddamn 4 cylinder Lycoming O-320 H2AD engine. Bigger displacement, two fewer cylinders, more compression, required leaded fuel.
I gave flight instruction in a new built light sport aircraft equipped with a Rotax 912 engine. Instead of Lycoming and Continental's 1930's era tech, BRP-Rotax's aircraft engines are basically 1980's motorcycle engines. Water cooled, Nikasil cylinder linings, electronic ignition, constant velocity carburetors or EFI, gear reduction, and they run absolutely fantastic on regular automotive gasoline. No lead.
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It’s an issue with machining tolerances of block/cylinder/piston/piston rings, older planes need lead to reduce the piston knock or it could damage itself. Modern engines have much tighter tolerances, but it would mean essentially rebuilding or replacing the whole engine on every piston engine plane. It would be great if we could phase out leaded Avgas but it won’t be going anywhere anytime soon
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Serious congratulations on typing an actual response to brain damaging shit like this. I couldn't even get past a few sentences of this dipshit theory without just completely shutting down and moving on
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dont listen to this guy. they're in on it!
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Well...
There is this thing where maybe we could use jetliners to emit a little bit of sulfuric oxides, through their fuel.
The result of that would be a moderate amount of that in the upper atmosphere, which will reflect away some of the solar radiation, like that pollution did back in the 80s and 90s, lowering the global temperatures slightly, and with that the impact of the CO2 crisis that were in.
It'll produce acid rains but that is the trade off they we might have to make.
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"Jetliners are spraying mind control juice"
Not all jetliners. Just some.
Uh huh, so, where on the jetliner is it stored?
In tanks.
Can you show me any evidence of a jet aircraft equipped with such a dispersion system?
Why would you bother using jet airliners for this that fly extremely high?
Oh it's mixed straight into the fuel!
No.
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Now there we're talking about cloud seeding. That is at least mostly real.
If I understand correctly, the object is to spray chemicals into the air which strongly encourages moisture to condense into clouds, either blocking sunlight or causing rain. The USAF experimented with this during the Vietnam war to some success, it's not exactly the cartoon idea of "Airplane flies by, airplane farts, there's a rumble of thunder and an instant summer rain shower". Though for various reasons to include "the chemicals you have to spray to make this work aren't very nice" it's probably a bad idea. I gather that's what the legislation in question is actually about, and it's honestly not a bad idea to regulate or ban this practice.
The word "Chemtrail" isn't associated with that, it's tinfoil hat ivermectin sucking 5G fearing moron talk for "the airlines are spraying chemicals that make you vote Democrat. Wake up sheeple." Which is 1. complete and utter donkey shit, 2. makes conversations about cloud seeding worse, and 3. makes conversations about General Aviation still using leaded gasoline worse.
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Without even looking, lemme guess on which states.
Are they the shit holes with low education rates and high rates of rampant stupidity who suckle the teat of all the blue states paying for them but then complain about it?
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Also states with very shallow gene pool...
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shallow gene pool.
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IDK which states either. But I'd venture a guess, that sorting states by percentage of MAGA voters, would have the 8 states in the top 10.
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Likely Oklahoma too - current GOP platform wants to outlaw 5G.
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They mentioned shitholes full of idiots.
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I didn’t find a complete list from my scanning of the article, which is disappointing because I could really use some confirmation that my state isn’t on there
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Wait, I thought it was the government that was putting the chemicals in the trails in the first place, and now their making their own actions illegal?
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Well, that's the federal government and these are state governments. Of course not THIS federal government, they mean the other federal government, the shadow government. You know the one that disobeys laws, kills millions of people for financial gain, covers up the pedofilia and drug problems of their membership, ignores the Constitution, and is trying to change the world for their own benefit? Well not that one, the other one that tries to keeps everything functioning, root out corruption, and write rules to try and protect people. THAT shadow government. It's evil dontchaknow and these new laws will definitely show them that the states won't stand for it any more!
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offer not valid in blue states, like "The People's Gay-public of Drugifornia"
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Do that many people not realise what condensation is?
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You vastly overestimate the US education system as a whole.
"Condensation can only form on glass", while not in a conversation about contrails this is a response I got from an adult human who graduated high school. He was standing 3 feet away from a steel pipe covered in condensation and dripping onto the floor.
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Florida, Tennessee, and Louisiana are named for working to outlaw chemtrails in the article. Articles like this should be required to list things they have already indicated exist in a small, closed set like this. I want a list of states! Or at least their abbreviations.
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I freaking knew Louisiana would be in it
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Airlines should stop flying to or over these states, to comply with the law.
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Stop fucking flying so much then. You could always put those planes on the ground, on tracks. Imagine that.
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… this article is kinda shit.
Says 8 states but doesn’t tell you which ones, just that Tennessee and Florida are 2 of them.
Says 8, tells us 2.
WHO ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO POINT AT AND LAUGH???
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It probably isn't hard to extrapolate what the other 6 states are if you know that Tennessee and Florida are 2 of the 8.
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Quick, somebody tell these politicians about a highly addicting and dangerous chemical known as Dihydrogen monoxide with a kill rate of 100%. Ban DHMO! Save America!
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Yes, every terrorist in the history of mankind consumed DHMO! Ban this stuff immediately! /s
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I heard that they found DHMO in hurricane Milton!
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STOP VOTING FOR IDIOTS
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I would suggest stop voting completely. Use non aggression principles, have a lot of guns for self defense. Stop paying involuntarily extortions/taxes to the criminal organization. The largest criminals organization (the government) won't stop spending and getting further in debt. And taxes will increase further until UBI arrives. 😂
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Bigfoot is not allowed at Thanksgiving. Him and frankenstein's monster are still beefing.
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Water is a chemical and crop dusters do actually dump other substances from aircraft. So, in a way, chemtrails are real. Just not in the way the conspiracy dumbasses think.
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At least eight states, including Florida and Tennessee, have now introduced ... legislation to prohibit “geo-engineering” or “weather modification”
So, nothing to do with chemtrails and specifically addresses geo-engineering and weather modification. Cloud seeding is a thing and dispersing particulates to reflect sunlight has also been much discussed. These states simply don't want it happening in their state.
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"Fesi testified on the Senate floor April 28 during debate over his bill that he believes “certain agencies within the federal government are doing cloud seeding and geoengineering.” In an interview Friday, the senator was asked what evidence he had to support his claims.
“Look up in our sky,” Fesi answered.
In an interview, Fesi later said he sees “just tons and tons of cloud seeding” above his backyard and described it as “all of the stripes across the skies.”
https://lailluminator.com/2025/05/19/weather-modification-bills/
These bills are fueled by conspiracy theories and idiocy.
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This is, unfortunately, the same observation I've made in all the chemtrail-beleiving people I know. I zig in discussion, they zag, I realize they're taking small-scale cloud seeding operations as proof of both contrails being chemtrails and, often enough, humans fueling hurricanes for the leftist agenda. These people also tend to deny human ability to affect the planet's climate. The underlying logical interpretation of these states' bills is exactly why they're upheld, meanwhile, their constituents are still thinking about contrails.
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There’s companies openly doing this already. One idiot not being able to cite it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Stop gaslighting people.
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They mix the mind control chemicals straight into the jet fuel. The pilots don't even know they are complicit in making chemtrails.
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We're going to need real geoengineering, so ofc Republicans are trying to ban it... Literal fucking death cult.
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We live in a post-reality political climate.
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Conservatism was never a part of reality. The Dems just decided to join them in lala-land, and apparently the voters too...
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Conservatism is just reactionary post modernism, nothing is real but their personal visceral reaction to some event, and historical events themselves are given innate mystical properties such as things "existing in a vacuum", and the lovely "its just natural" analysis. Democrats are just really good slow walking reformists owned by capital interest.
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If it wasn't so sad it'd be hilarious that all these states are banning imaginary ways to control the weather while at the same time gutting the EPA and air population controls, so real ways to influence the weather.
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Those 8 states are a big contributor to the current shitshow
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That reminds me of my favorite rock that prevents tiger attacks. I've had it with me for years and it works perfectly. Yet, whenever I bring it up, people make fun of me.
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I remember that scene from an episode, too. Just not which episode it is. Pre season 10 I think?
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Probably because you're making references to a ~30 year old episode of a cartoon, as if it's your own joke.
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Oh, I forgot that every joke in the universe is supposed to be used just once.
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And it's not the onion.
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Is this the new South Park season?
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All forms of condensation must be exterminated!
Anyway, the reason they want to push bullshit laws is that bullshit laws can be used to punished whomever they like precisely because they are not founded in reality.
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As if something being real or not has ever mattered with regards to republicans trying to generate panic over a thing
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This could likely lead to a period of no planes flying over these states, since airlines wouldn't want to face whatever fines are stated in these bills, yeah? If any of these pass, it's inevitable that they'll either be ignored or backpedalled on in the future. I imagine they're mostly just virtue signalling and have no intention of actually passing these laws.
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More note worthy would be the planes not flying into or out of those states. That would not only include no passengers flying in or out, but also no products of any kind being flown in or out. This could get interesting.
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They going to outlaw dihydrogen monoxide next?
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Are they also going to make witchcraft a felony?
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Was just in Salem recently, today’s witches have sleeve tattoos and know how to fight so good luck
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https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-165-35/
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 165.35 Fortune telling
Current as of January 01, 2024 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
A person is guilty of fortune telling when, for a fee or compensation which he directly or indirectly solicits or receives, he claims or pretends to tell fortunes, or holds himself out as being able, by claimed or pretended use of occult powers, to answer questions or give advice on personal matters or to exorcise, influence or affect evil spirits or curses; except that this section does not apply to a person who engages in the aforedescribed conduct as part of a show or exhibition solely for the purpose of entertainment or amusement.
Fortune telling is a class B misdemeanor.
https://codes.findlaw.com/pa/title-18-pacsa-crimes-and-offenses/pa-csa-sect-18-7104.html
Pennsylvania Statutes Title 18 Pa.C.S.A. Crimes and Offenses § 7104. Fortune telling
Current as of January 01, 2022 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree if he pretends for gain or lucre, to tell fortunes or predict future events, by cards, tokens, the inspection of the head or hands of any person, or by the age of anyone, or by consulting the movements of the heavenly bodies, or in any other manner, or for gain or lucre, pretends to effect any purpose by spells, charms, necromancy, or incantation, or advises the taking or administering of what are commonly called love powders or potions, or prepares the same to be taken or administered, or publishes by card, circular, sign, newspaper or other means that he can predict future events, or for gain or lucre, pretends to enable anyone to get or to recover stolen property, or to tell where lost property is, or to stop bad luck, or to give good luck, or to put bad luck on a person or animal, or to stop or injure the business or health of a person or shorten his life, or to give success in business, enterprise, speculation, and games of chance, or to win the affection of a person, or to make one person marry another, or to induce a person to make or alter a will, or to tell where money or other property is hidden, or to tell where to dig for treasure, or to make a person to dispose of property in favor of another.
(b) Advertising as evidence.--Any publication contrary to this section may be given in evidence to sustain the indictment.
(c) Competency of witnesses.--Any person whose fortune may have been told shall be a competent witness against the person charged with violating this section.
Looks like today it sits in misdemeanor territory.
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As a way to oppress women? They might give it a go.
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I mean... I wouldn't rule it out at this point.
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Prohibit dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere to alter weather.... hmmmm.... you mean like carbon dioxide? Maybe this lawmaker will inadvertently help fight climate change?
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So what you're saying is, the law's already working?
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You get the government you deserve.
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Next:they want to outlaw the moon.
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They'll outlaw fake landings on the moon. Lol
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At least eight states, including Florida and Tennessee, have now introduced chemtrail-coded legislation to prohibit “geo-engineering” or “weather modification”.
Happy to hear we can keep the chemtrails for mind control going
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another bizarre law. along with, it is prohibited to harass Bigfoot, donut holes are not to be sold and nobody is to cross state lines with a duck atop their head...
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I misread duck and lmao
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How it used to be a fringe thing we can laugh at and dismiss, at a time when scientific documentaries were also entertaining and enlightening.
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Ok, what if, and hear me out, they are actually doing this to ban plans and force the reintroduction of, wait for it, trains!?
Nah, didn't think so either.
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Next thing: "out law hurricanes" ...good luck with all that
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I almost put this here, but the last part ruined the joke :/
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Planes issue horrible chemicals that cause all kinds of issues. Carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxides, etc.
My understanding is that these bills would make that illegal. That's good.
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My understanding is that these bills would make that illegal.
Pretty sure that the actual components of airline exhaust would be considered legal. They wouldn't just ban all fossil fuel powered flight, they just want to ban the non-existant mind-control/climate manipulation they think the airplanes are doing.
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No fly zones! Gotta take a bus.
Better for the Environment. Now they need to end SpaceX.
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States give privileges to things people do for their Invisible Friend, who's not real either. What are you gonna do?
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Red meat for the specific kind of idiots who tell anyone who they can trap in a corner for 5 minutes about how aliens built the pyramids.
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or even control the weather for nefarious motives.
Actually, contrails do have a slight climate impact. Not controlled of course.
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Don't they slightly increase rain and slightly decrease UV? The particulate in the exhaust acts as nucleation sites for water droplets and crystals.
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They're referring to the fact that dihydrogen monoxide is a GHG
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chemtrails were real for several decades, the US government admitted to dispersing harmful biological weapons over US populations by air without notification or consent in the 1975 Church committee.
doesn't mean it's happening now, but it's silly to pretend the US government didn't secretly drop chemicals and biological agents onto US citizens from aircraft when they already admitted to doing it for decades.
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Oh look, it's the Lemmy chemtrail guy! Watch as he refuses to accept that he's talking about something completely different than what these laws refer to.
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you think the US government and the 1975 senate committee are "lemmy chemtrail guys"....nah.
you're more than a little off-base there.
would you like to explain yourself or would you rather continue to rely on your unsubstantied personal attacks?
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Geoengineering is absolutely real, and companies are already actively engaging in it.
Don’t be so enthusiastic to shut down conspiracy theorists that you make an equally ignorant claim on the other side of the argument.
I am alarmed at the number of confidently stupid comments in this thread. Obviously didn’t read the article, nor bother to look into the claims. Just ignorant and reflexive denial. I’m not saying I support banning geoengineering (though we do need it strictly regulated), but you all sound just as stupid as the conservative conspiracy theorists saying they’re doing this to turn people gay or some shit.
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I really wish people would stop using the existence of geoengineering to offer credence to chemtrail conspiracies. The link you provided has nothing to do with the contrails that we see in the sky every day. You can get binoculars or a high zoom camera and see that the contrails originate just aft of the exhaust nozzles. The 850°C engine exhaust mixes with the freezing cold -50°C air and condenses. In a four engined plane you'll see 4 trails, in a twinjet you'll only see two
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You can tell it's working by the number of conservative closeted homosexuals who are trying to regulate genitals with federal force
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dew#Dew_II
Chemtrails were real. Seems like a good practice to outlaw. It is also possible that legislators are lying about their intentions with this bill, and are instead trying to side-outlaw something else with this. They're politicians, they're evil.
*edit, added 2nd reference from wikipedia
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