Does anybody else feel guilty being suspicious of anybody in a black hoodie with the hood up?
Does anybody else feel guilty being suspicious of anybody in a black hoodie with the hood up?
Specifically because I live in a hot climate, I'm always fighting the feeling of being suspicious of anybody I pass in the streets with a hoodie pulled up. I feel guilty because of racial profiling associated with hoodies, but gotta protect myself and my family, especially because in many cases the perpetrators of assault and murder seen in media are somebody with a hood and/or mask on.
I wear a hoodie most of the time. I don't mind if you feel suspicious of me; one reason I have a hood up is because I don't want to engage with random people. Sounds like you would go out of your way to avoid me so mission accomplished.
that's a great point!
Of course not. I am the guy in long coat, hoodie or toque, big black boots, and face mask.
Crime rates have dropped massively, you're being driven into a panic by pro-police, racist media manipulation.
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Also by walking and breathing fast. I’ve been able to reduce my own anxiety quite a bit by forcing myself to walk and breathe more slowly.
We have a cultural acceleration of both of these body rhythms, and it’s part of the feedback loop that’s degrading our mental health.
The best part is, despite being difficult it is very possible to take control of these things. It improves our own mental health, gives other people’s brains more time to evaluate us before having to make a fight/chill decision. And when our own anxiety levels decrease, our voices get less hostile.
We’re all in this big soup of feelings together, and the whole soup is getting more anxious.
In my own experience working to slow myself down, it really takes a lot of attention and effort to alter these things that mostly run unconsciously, but the payoff is almost immediate.
I remember the first day I decided to walk slowly it was so fucking hard. I had to imagine pushing backward in my feet. It actually kind of hurt in a weird abstract way. But within ten or twenty minutes of that, muscles were relaxing around my chest and neck. Another fifteen minutes later, and I was admiring the beauty of everything around me, actually looking up for the first time in years and seeing buildings and trees I’d never noticed before.
Breathing slow, and walking slow. You can practice them one at a time, or combine them.
The more time spent applying attention and effort, the more effect. And the effects are incredible.
They're lying about crime rates so that they can pump more money into the police for when the people revolt.
As a mastodon thread amazingly put it: The police are their climate plan. The police are their housing plan. The police are their food plan. Capitalists don't want to fix the problem, they want to silence anyone who brings it up and kill anyone who takes direct action.
crime rates going down doesn't mean it's not still happening way more than it should. not sure where you live, but i'm in a big city and you definitely shouldn't walk around thinking everything is peachy all the time.
you can be vigilant with your own safety without being pro-police. the reality is that some criminals in the streets have a common uniform that non-criminals commonly wear.
if i'm walking behind a woman by herself on an empty street, i'm gonna cross the street because i understand that they're concerned for their safety, and i know women appreciate that.
since crime has dropped, should women not be concerned for their safety? are they being manipulated by sexist media and driven into a panic if they are?
Wow you really flipped that around, and even ended with a strawman. How are we talking about women and not hoodies?
You shouldn't feel bad for being suspicious of someone in a hoodie, but you should realize you are buying into pro-police, racist media manipulation exactly as the other person said.
When you can find statistics showing crimes by people in hoodies are as common a problem as rape and sexual assault against women, then we can talk.
the reality is that some criminals in the streets have a common uniform that non-criminals commonly wear.
Wait until you hear how many criminals wear jeans.
I think you can be aware or possibly even "wary" if you see that, but I think it is a little absurd to let that become actual worry or suspicion.
Just be aware of your surroundings. Clock the person in a hoodie, make a mental note of it, and continue on your way. I feel like this is "how to live in a modern city 101." If you get this thrown by seeing someone in a hoodie, then maybe you're too anxious to be around that many people
I always think of that scene from Hot Fuzz where they’re talking about why someone wore a hat low on their face.
“Because he’s fuck ugly?”
“Or he has something to hide.”
Both can exist and I try to keep that in mind. Someone wearing something covering their identity either is cold or doesn’t want to engage with people. If the latter, there’s a slim chance they pose a threat, or they have their own reasons that are no concern of mine.
I note these people more than if they weren’t covered, but I don’t really change my behaviours in normal situations.
You’re not doing anything wrong. A hoodie is a yellow flag without more information. Keep doing what you’re doing.
haha that's fair. totally understand wanting to cover up, but especially where I live and during this warm time of year, it's suspicious. i think that's a good way to describe my feelings. it's a yellow flag. i'm not reaching in my pocket for a knife, but i'm on guard.
I have cancer and I still wear a face mask everywhere due to a compromised immune system.
I also get very cold with my disease/medications. My blood circulation isn't as good now. I can be chilled when its 77 in a room without a sweatshirt. My hoodies aren't black but they are dark blues and greens.
Further, I have serious skin issues and always have that lead me to keep my hair always cropped very, very short. Meaning when I am chilled like that, I often have the hood up.
I am not here to make judgment on your position but rather just a reminder of valid reasons things like this might happen that don't involve others meaning you bodily harm.
I am a big guy, and sometimes it feels a little tiring to have the default be everyone is scared of me despite my inability to defend myself before I had cancer. I don't own guns or knives and my backpack is either full of groceries or PC maintenance equipment.
sorry about your health. i wish the best for you.
not nearly the same at all, but sometimes if i think i'm making somebody nervous (e.g. it's late at night and i'm walking behind them) i'll do this sort of public theatre where i'll start humming and walking with a bounce in my step or something like that so they know where i'm at and to kind of give off a friendly vibe. that or i cross the street if i can.
I can imagine it's exhausting if people are suspicious of you all the time. the people wearing the clothes to the commit crimes mess it up for people on both sides. ski masks for example haha. if you're wearing a ski mask in public and it's not freezing outside, or even if it is, that's so sus.
So, I was given some advice for situations like this that changed my life.
The first thing that comes to mind in these moments isn't what matters. It's what a life time of indoctrinated racism/classism/sexism etc looks like. The thing that comes to mind here isn't necessarily what you think, it's what you've been taught to think,
What matters is what you do next, after the thought has popped in to your mind.
I was raised in a very racist environment, and I struggled with feeling guilt every time some racist thought I'd been trained with popped in to my head, because that's not the person I want to be. Reframing it like this allowed me to stop getting hung up on the guilt part, and work on the part that actually means something
One time I was walking through a city centre after midnight after drinks with friends - who told me to get a taxi because it's so dangerous. I got to a pedestrianised street and there at the orher end was a group of tough-looking POC in hoodies. Uh oh. There seemed to be an argument in progress. Uh oh. I carried on though, to avoid a long detour. As I got nearer I caught the drift of the argument. "We're only telling you this because we love you, mate." Muffled sobbing. "Yeah, we worry about you! We want you to be happy!" It was teens in the midst of a full-on psychodrama, actually quite wholesome. I carried on home, berating myself for racial profiling. For a non-event it had quite a profound effect on my thinking.
And these are the kinds of interactions that people have in cities that terrify conservatives. Not the situation you described (although they'd be scared of that too), but the lesson you took away from it.
Just being around people that look, sound, behave, have customs, etc., different than you changes the way you view the world in fundamental ways. You may not even realize it is happening.
And most importantly, it makes everyone less afraid of one another. And this is how conservatives lose their power.
You can't trust what you can't see.
yeah, that's definitely part of it.
I feel like most of the time, people wearing a hoodie (w the hood on), don't want to be interacted with, nor do they wish to interact with others. At least that's how I feel. No need to feel bad a out it.
that's a good point. if i'm avoiding them because i think they're suspicious, it's giving them the space that they want anyways.
As a pale skinned ginger who will get second degree burns if I'm not careful outside I'm often covered up despite temperatures approaching 100F.
What does the color of the hoodie have to do with anything? 🤨
In a hot climate, a black hoodie is going to be less likely a casual outfit than a lighter coloured hoodie
it's just a common color in general and a common color in videos of people wearing hoodies and committing crimes. it's easier to blend in with a dark colored hoodie than a brightly colored one i suppose.
So I was at a convention that happened to be next to a horror convention. Someone from the horror convention decided to come to our convention in a pastel overalls outfit with bunny mask and lavender wig. Some of us were afraid of joining his basement convention afterparty.
I guess this is kind of how you were feeling.
haha yeah in that context, the overalls, bunny mask and wig were sus
I think it's fair to be nervous around people who conspicuously hide their identity. I've been mugged twice and in neither case did the person walk up to me and introduce themselves first. There's nothing wrong with giving people hiding their features a wide berth up to crossing the street, especially late at night. People who are just wearing what's comfortable will keep on going without interactions but if someone changes course to intercept you - especially hurrying to come up behind you - it's not at all racist to react defensively, it's just rational.
People can wear what they want, I will judge them (sort of) if they are obscuring their features but I do understand there are a lot of reasons for doing so (including not wanting a negative interaction yourself). I've had busty friends that adore their hoodies because it lets them avoid unwanted attention and cat calling - but it's equally fair to be concerned that someone obscuring their identity has a malicious intent.
Just like, be informed by attire but don't pass permanent judgement - and if you get mugged because you're helping someone that looks like they're in distress (points to self) it's okay - even if it fucking sucks you made the right decision.
aw man. sorry to hear what happened to you. that's fucked up on multiple levels because it makes people less likely to want to help a stranger out in the future.
Where I live, people of all degrees of peace come in all colors of hoodies and hood positions. More often than not, the people here who give a hard time just present themselves like everyone else. If I saw someone with a black hoodie with the hood up, I'd be more worried about them being Death.
I dunno about that. If I saw a man with a white hood that completely covers his face with little eyeholes, I'm out. Because chances are, that dude has a flaming cross somewhere.
What colour hoodies are you known to wear?
Eh, depends on circumstances.
Then again my PTSD keeps my head on swivel all the time, so I'm suspicious of five year olds that move too fast. Someone in a hoodie in warm weather? Nah, no guilt about scanning them at all
This whole thread is just one great big self-flagellatory self-report session innit
No kink shaming plz
Being suspicious of people in hoodies isn't racist 🙄 if you only got nervous around black people in hoodies, then sure, but there's nothing wrong with being cautious of people who are concealing their identity. They might not be wearing it for that reason, but that's still something it does.
Sometimes people of color wear hoodies. i'm not saying being suspicious of hoodies themselves is racist, but if i'm suspicious of a POC in a hoodie, that's got some history and other implications tied to it.
Just to comment on a specific part of your question, there's probably some selection bias to seeing more criminals in the media masked/with their hood up.
Particularly in the case of notices requesting that someone be IDed, if their face is clearly visible and in good resolution, they may not need to publicize it to have the person identified (pretty sure they can search by face in correctional/dmv databases) vs if part of their face is obscured or the only visible marker of identity is something like a tattoo or scar, they might need to publicize it more to find someone who will be able to identify the person based on that limited info.
That’s true, but I’m not saying I’m more suspicious of hoodies vs something like trench coats. I’m just saying I feel bad about it because of a history of racial profiling. I don’t feel bad being suspicious of black caps and sunglasses or trench coats.
I'm suspicious of myself (or at least self-conscious) when I wear a black hoodie with the hood up...
haha yeah. i feel the same way if i'm walking behind a woman by herself. i usually try to cross the street to make them feel more comfortable.
I don't feel guilty. It's fair to be suspicious of someone who covers their face without context like cold weather or a medical mask (could be sick or concerned about getting sick). The trick or test is to ask yourself "Do I/would I become equally concerned if this person was in a different racial category?" If the answer is "No", de-escalate yourself. If the answer is "No", look for the other markers that are actually setting off alarms for you. It's not just covering the face. As others have pointed out there can be a variety of harmless reasons why people might do that. But look for how a person carries themself: where they keep their hands how they move their eyes. Or maybe you are just paranoid about hoodies in general, in which case you should try to develop a more holistic way of sizing people up.
Im suspicious of nobody unless they give me a reason to be.
Someone could put on a suit to murder you my guy. Don’t lump everyone under one umbrella.
i'm not only suspicious of hoodies, just feel guilty about it. a suit can definitely be suspicious under the right circumstances, but i wouldn't feel guilty about it.
I remember as a kid I locked the door to the car whenever someone would walk by. Most people don't really notice or care but once a black guy walked by and I didn't know about the racist connotation, so I just did what I always did and was devastated when I could see that I really hurt the guy's feelings. I stopped doing it after that, now I just give a little friendly wave or smile. I'm still as overly cautious, but I'd rather get stabbed to death than make someone feel like that ever again.
If I see someone in a black hoodie I'm crossing the street
Nice self-report
Fair enough
More recently, I'm immediately suspicious of someone who is very obviously not immunocompromised; wearing a Covid mask with the hoodie up. Especially if they have sunglasses on. That person is either bipping cars or about to steal something. Best to just steer clear. I only ever really encounter these types in SF. They aren't worried about Covid, they just don't want their face to be seen.
Yeah. Masks with a hood this far after COVID is unusual.