This conversation is held daily over in the echo chamber known as !conservative@lemm.ee
Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.
Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.
So just like the old subreddit then? Weird how that piece of culture sticks with them.
The difference is that on Reddit I got suspended from the entire site for "report abuse" because I (correctly) reported misinformation in r/conservative and it hurt the snowflake mods' fee-fees.
In other words, Lemmy is structurally superior because there are no fascist admins with the power to ban you from the entire network.
Being banned from a conservative zone is like a mark of quality humanship.
It's full of bad faith arguments, putting rules before humanity, the strictest possible interpretation of those rules, and they LOVE to put words in your mouth or waste your time asking for resources that they won't read and will just respond "What are you even talking about?" because they've already moved the goal posts. Their newest mod spent his first hour as a mod getting in fights about Hunter Biden's laptop and is so vehemently against tax increases because he's one of the rich whose taxes would probably go up. He'll gladly tell you that the rich are already paying TOO MUCH and they wouldn't benefit from paying more.
But, hey, at least they ban the R word and homophobia.
I can still remember how the news in fucking Germany changed. Suddenly, once Biden was in office, we didn’t get US politics in our evening news multiple times per week anymore. The United States became silent again.
Make America Boring Again
Look at all these fucking Russian/MAGA trolls in the comments trying to play a "both sides" thing.
I was there. I lived through both. You can go fuck yourself. Like trump.
There's a visibly coordinated effort to trash Biden and/or democrats on lemmy. The commentary is all the same. They use some form of "both sides" blaming both democrats and republicans for being awful while attacking voting for either. They focus hard on Israel and call Biden "Genocide Joe" or some similar derogatory term. Overall, they always pick at Biden's policy completely devoid of nuance while never discussing Trump's policies past or planned. I got several posts removed from /world calling out such similar comments.
Conversely, every single time someone makes a legitimate criticism of Biden or the Democratic establishment (and there are many to be made), someone dismisses it as "both sides".
Democrats are undoubtedly better than Republicans. Biden is undoubtedly better than Trump. Both parties are still corrupted by mega-donors and entrenched elitism.
While I’m sure these trolls exist, I think there is still a minority that genuinely disliked the dems and don’t want to support genocide.
My point is: everytime I see someone saying that lemmy is having a coordinated effort to trash Biden, it kind of makes me trust that statement less because I’m one of those who actually criticizes Biden without trolling.
This is why those trolls are so effective, cause their goal is not to troll us, is to get us to troll and argue with each other over miscommunications they started.
And it's always either lemmygrad or Lemmy.ml
lmao, genocide joe shills, i hope trump wins..
This video is about 2020 in general, but it really encapsulates the news style Trump fostered. Just a firehose of garbage that overwhelms the senses. And it's only gotten worse.
I believe Steve Bannon's quote was, "flood the zone with shit." News is by definition, new, so if you never give people a chance to talk about what happened 5 hours ago, nobody is ever pissed off for the same reason.
I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there's bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it's just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.
Any day now...
There are only so many ways to get the kind of society that works, and far too many ways for it to go wrong. It's kind of a crazy idea to think that burning it down and starting over would be beneficial.
i know you hate to hear this but its all symbolic cherrypicked stuff.
did he stop the concentration camps for mexicans at the border? or the genocide in gaza? did he rollback anything that matters?
democrats always pretend to be doing shit since i remember, but don't actually get anything done at all. then republicans inevitably come and push the country further into fascism, rinse repeat.
Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.
Not sure why so many of you folks just scream "AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE." and run away babbling into the distance.
There is that legitimate third choice where we continue to push after the election. Biden has shown he will listen. Seems like a plan.
AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE.
i literally didnt say this. we are not saying this.
Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.
i vote for the leftmost candidate i can, dunno where you get the impression i dont. i just dont pretend they are giving me any momentum because the leftmost in this specific case is still a right wing genocidal maniac.
come join me at any revolutionary leftist organization, or a good union if you truly want to enact actual change. this is the momentum we need, participating in the theather wont make that much difference.
he constantly flirted with WW3
How?
If we were flirting with ww3 before, what would you say the current president is doing today?
Killing qasem soleimani, Moving the embassy to Jerusalem, Destabilizing Nato, Withdrew from the Iran Nuclear Deal, all the stuff with Kim Jong Un.
Neat list, when I turn on the news now I hear about lots of civilians being bombed and starved, and targets being attacked within Iranian borders.
If you think we were closer to ww3 before in the last presidency you're full on TDS.
Trump sucked but pretending we were closer to ww3 before is delusional.
what would you say the current president is doing today?
The opposite.
The funny thing is that while Trump got constant media attention for personally saying and doing a lot of inappropriate things that past Republican presidents wouldn't have, he was actually a fairly normal Republican president in terms of the federal government's major policies during his term. I suppose he wasn't actually very interested in the unglamorous business of government and left it to other, less unconventional members of his party.
This isn't true in the slightest. Trump absolutely destroyed federal government policies. What presidency were you watching? Bush didn't do anything even close to this much damage to the federal government. Not since Reagan. And that's honestly being generous to Reagan, because he did a lot of federal government damage.
Do you have any specific Trump-era changes in mind?
But Biden ended up building the border wall? Also pushing loan forgiveness is neutralized by the fact that he restarted loan payments.
I can list dozens of other trump-era bullshit Biden maintained, but it's tiring.
I feel like I've been having this same conversation for a decade, after watching Obama demotivate the base by maintaining/expanding Bush's policies, while republicans and democrats insist that he actually implemented socialism.
To my knowledge the only sections of wall he's built were funded by Trump's Congress before he left office. Meaning he had little choice but to spend the money on what Congress appropriated it for.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather not live in a world where someone like Trump can just decide he doesn't want to spend portions of the money Congress appropriated. He could just suddenly decide that the federal government isn't going to pay like Medicaid or SNAP.
Anything from the first page should have disqualified him.
I'm pretty old. Biden has been the best president of my lifetime.
He should be viewed as a national hero for beating Donnie in 2020 and making it stick, which was probably harder than it looked. The US President starting a coup has lots of strings to pull.
I genuinely think that the only reason so many people aren't able to admit that is because of Gaza.
I deduct credit from a President if they are primarily fixing problems that they themselves caused or greatly assisted in creating throughout their previous political career. In Biden's case, that means that he is unlikely to get better than absolute neutral due to his incredibly long history of selling out the American people.
I will not give Biden an 11th hour passing grade just because he is up against Trump, he doesn't deserve to be graded on a curve.
I totally agree, but I also think that every president for the last 50+ years would have walked out of office and into a prison cell in a just world. Judged in that context, Biden looks pretty good.
Also, a ham sandwich would have beaten Trump in 2020. I know this because half the Biden supporters on Reddit were constantly paving over Biden's deep flaws by pointing out that they would pick a ham sandwich over Trump. I have no idea why it was always a ham sandwich. All Biden had to do was hide in his basement and not say anything mind-blisteringly stupid. That and avoid catching COVID from Trump on the debate stage.
It was a ham sandwich because Sol Wachtler, a New York State Chief Judge, once said that he could get the average Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich, if he were to bring charges against it.
You're quite literally an idiot if this isn't disingenuous
This guy LOVES a good old fashioned genocide.
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That's the thing, Trump did accomplish something - he showed that radicalism in a position like the president is possible. One can act like an autocrat and actually get things done. He showed that being cut throat to accomplish your political ends is possible even when in power.
Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn't be fair to the democratic process... Then came Trump. Trump's accomplishment was showing the world what radical rightwing politics could do.
Now we have imitators around the world and new strains of fascism.
Many on the left feel like similar is in order on the left. So don't blame the tankies, as they're as much a product of the times as anything else... And it's quite easy to want a radical leader when it's this obvious that the system is no longer efficient at serving the will of the people... Or should I say, the will of the left.
RIP Bernie Sanders' presidential run. Hopefully we'll get someone similar, but we won't get there without making the demand clear as possible.
Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn't be fair to the democratic process
Obama didn't decide anything. The GOP had majority. They stonewalled his nomination.
Obama's mistake was to not give a forced 'thank you for your service, you deserve rest' to RBG when DNC had majority.
I honestly don't get the hate against Biden. From what I've seen, he's old and he's done a whole lot of good, more than the average democratic president.
Him being the choice over Trump should be an obvious, nearly anyone over Trump is the better choice, so what the hell is wrong with these people wanting to vote trump or not vote at all just to stick it to Biden?
I honestly don't get the hate against Biden.
I hate on Biden, even though I believe he is a good president overall. My hate stems for the very obvious (maybe petty) reason:
He is the wrong direction. The way to beat fascism is by being bold, progressive and forward thinking. Biden is basically the “let’s play it safe” candidate. All well and good, but clearly he did not reduce the appetite for fascism.
And yes, I think Bernie would have.
I agree almost entirely. Boldness is the way to defeat fascism, and Biden is not bold enough.
At the same time, I do think there is a caveat. Reducing the appetite for fascism is reliant on success, and, if I am being honest, fucking no one was going to be successful in this political climate with this Congress and electorate. If Bernie flounders, progressivism is discredited, even if it's not at all his fault; even if he, individually, is doing the best anyone could be expected to do. If Biden, who is very much a moderate on most issues, flounders, appetite for change increases.
There's a sick calculus in politics that, though you as a voter should always vote for the best candidate who has a serious chance to win, in objective analysis, the best candidate winning isn't always the best thing for the cause.
I voted for Bernie in the 2016 and 2020 primaries, and if the 2024 primary was at all serious instead of locked-in to the incumbent, seriously speaking, I would vote for him in 2024 too, just to be clear.
Prior to being the VP and now President, he had a long political career as an establishment corporate Democrat. His home state is where almost all US usury is headquartered, and he consistently sold out the American people to those corporations. He sponsored the bill removing bankruptcy options from student loans, sided with the banks and credit card companies on interest rates and fees, was a war hawk, and was more than "it was just how it was at the time" racist.
Essentially every bit of the "whole lot of good" has been an 11th hour change of heart and fixing problems he was more than complicit in creating. Add to that the DNC manipulation to block other candidates, and you have the South Park special of a Douche vs. a Turd Sandwich.
i honestly don't get the hate against drumpf, isn't the us a fascist state already?
I mean sure it looks good I guess but I’m not holding my breath that the White House office of gun violence prevention is going to stop mass shootings.
All this stuff is designed to sound good on paper but then what’s the real impact?
Ok. So orange man is a fucking maniac.
But rejoining the Paris agreement is just dumb without intention or interest of fulfilling it. So many countries have signed it just for show. Leaving it and calling it bullshit virtue signalling is actually better.
Look at the statistics for the countries. It's not doing anything than green washing.
The other points is probably true and great. But the Paris agreement is pure trash.
- Damn. I was mistaken. Guess promises will solve the climate crisis. Not action.
Yes OK, but apart from all that, what has Biden ever done?
He mAdE tHe pRiCe oF cHeeSe Go uP!
biden sitting in the office, twiddling the "cheese price" knob and giggling to himself
That's why the cheesemakers are blessed, so that they'll increase production which will result in lower cheese prices across the board.
