Valve confirms it'll support the ROG Ally with its Steam Deck operating system
Valve confirms it'll support the ROG Ally with its Steam Deck operating system
Dual boot is still on the menu, too.
Recent patch notes sounded like they might be hinting at upcoming ROG Ally support, but it's now confirmed.
Finally the buyers can make use of that hardware!
@Fubarberry good guy valve. Rather than getting butt hurt about competition they embrace it.
Great news! The more devices running SteamOS the better
Distros like bazzite have really picked up but they'll always be niche projects in the eyes of game dev and publishers. Steam os at least can help them realise that Linux isn't an instant dismiss because they haven't used it before.
I have friends in AAA game dev and they all have the same kinda dated idea of Linux being this sweaty crazy programmer distro even though we all play games online together.
If valve can carry on increasing the market share it'll definitely help get rid of some stereotypes for Devs which in turn brings more market share.
The exciting thing I am taking from this, specifically because of the ROG Ally are two things:
- Valve intends to support nvidia drivers in SteamOS (the ROG Dock)
- Valve intends to ensure eGPUs are a good experience on SteamOS
If these do make it to fruition that would be a huge benefit overall for Linux gaming.
I've been looking at the ally for a while, the eGPU support is interesting too. SteamOS support would be the final addition to make me pull the trigger on it. Anyone own it and can give their 2¢?
Their proprietary external GPU connector (xg Mobile graphics) was recently reverse engineered so you may soon* be able to connect desktop graphics cards.
Still in the early revisions, though all the info is on GitHub by osy86
Don't own it, but I would recommend against the regular Ally due to some known hardware issues and Asus warranty trying to scam people into expensive "not covered by warranty" repairs.
The new Ally X has some tempting hardware upgrades though, if no major defects have shown up in a couple months it might be worth checking out.
This will make that device so much more usable.
As long as you don’t use the sd card slot
It would make the Ally usable. Windows holds it back a ton because it’s a trash OS.
There’s still some hardware issues to contend with. Like the fact that it fries SD cards due to poor card slot placement… and the control stick bug…
Let’s just say my wife has one and we recently got her a Steam Deck instead. I had to replace one of the sticks on the Ally and still had problems. She also can’t use the SD card slot at all. It’s flawed hardware with potential (after a couple revisions).
It's had a revision which appears to have fixed that, and brought other improvements.
However it also came with a price bump, and Asus has been under fire recently for awful handling of warranties all across their business
Potential that will never go anywhere. It's ASUS, they're on the 8th iteration of phone and still having problems, the Ally X is having problems too.
ASUS is just a problem company.
This is so exciting, very happy for Ally owners. Choice is a strength of PC ecosystem, and I'm confident SteamOS experience is going to win over many users. It's a great upgrade.
Edit-
"And it's not like Valve is suggesting it'll offer SteamOS for rival handhelds anytime soon, either"
Oh :( I thought this was further along than it is.. got excited.
If Asus wants some positive PR after a rough 2024, they should offer the Ally with SteamOS preinstalled.
It would be a win for Asus and Valve alike
Hell yes! More Linux more better!
@ipha @Fubarberry u wonder when or if at all well get a desktop version thats as easy to install as installing steam os on the steam deck is
They keep saying it's coming, bazzite is pretty solid for now, but I'd really like to get an official valve iso.
Insert ="More, More!"= meme here.
This is the right move
How funny/great would it be if the PSP2 and Switch 2 ran branches of SteamOS?
You can run Linux on the Switch: https://switchroot.org/
Vita 2 when
N-Gage 2 confirmed
How's Linux support for the Ally? I know Valve has been doing a lot to make Linux work well on the Deck, so I kind of wonder how much extra work they need to put in to get a similar experience.
As any Linux user with Nvidia hardware probably knows, driver support makes all the difference. Just getting the GUI on screen isn't enough.
Bazzite is fine. It's serviceable enough to get the job done. The hardware is supported through a bunch of different emulation tools and bespoke applications like HandHeld Daemon for hooking into power draw and managing extra buttons.
Bazzite is based on the Holographic base that SteamOS uses, but opts for a Fedora-based immutable back-end over Arch. Running SteamOS itself is going to be better once Valve implements native support for all of these things that are covered by HandHeld Daemon, at least in theory.
Due to the non-optimal nature of both Windows and Linux at this stage, they tend to perform about equally.
I get that the Fediverse is disproportionately made up of Linux users, but the reality right now is just that no operating system is fine-tuned for the hardware its running on besides SteamOS and the Deck itself. It's not better yet, but it's getting better at a massive clip - which is above and beyond whatever Microsoft is doing (looks like nothing) to improve their software for the form factor.
Microsoft actually recently announced modifying their game bar to be more mobile friendly. MS clearly wants handheld manufacturers to use the Xbox bar which isn't going to happen, but they're trying. The problem with Windows for handhelds is that the launchers are the unique selling points for most of these manufacturers, so any official Microsoft toolkit would be hidden completely if the manufacturers could have their way.
All of those extra daemons to make Linux usable is exactly what I was wondering about. SteamOS for the Ally means nothing if they don't build all of that stuff into their distro, preferably by fixing the drivers rather than user mode proxies patching over lacking driver support.
Looks like the Ally uses AMD, so I expect it probably works just fine.
Not without tinkering, but isn't that always the case with Linux?
Selling games is their main revenue anyway. The console is an extra.
The lower storage Deck models have been sold at a loss, with the plan of recovering that through game sales. So rival hardware running SteamOS could make valve more money than the deck does.
It's possible that the deck's are no longer sold at a loss, both due to components getting cheaper over time and higher sale numbers leading to lower cost per unit. But either way the money comes mostly from game sales, not hardware sales.
I confirm that I will never buy anything Asus even again.
Not even their brand new "handheld" Assussy??
(It will fully support Hannah Montana Linux)
Ok, I repent my sin now. Hannah Montana has my undivided attention. https://media.tenor.com/_cGu-9UxtV4AAAAM/mdr.gif
I'm actually a bit surprised this takes so long for Valve. Because I think Valve wants to be in a position what they envisioned with Steam Machines, where many systems are created by different manufacturers. Only with a reference model that everybody can fallback to as the base model, the Deck. Guess creating an operating system that can be installed on arbitrary handhelds is not easy (go figure).
BTW this is not a unique concept either, because we had similar strategies before with home computer systems and console like systems in the 80s and 90s: MSX (actually from Microsoft) and 3DO are "popular" examples.
I saw an ad for this thing on TV the other day. IDK why, but seeing things like this on TV always makes me giddy ever since I first saw Secret of Mana advertised on TV. Seeing new tech (and video games before a certain time) having commercials on television is like seeing a unicorn.
Big W as usual from Valve. We need more privately owned companies again.
I really hope Valve takes up this market with strong software. I believe Microsoft is lagging behind just using regular Windows for that.
Yeah the more gaming landscape gets matured outside of Windows the better
Shiitttttt..
I mean. The ROG Ally has much better hardware..
It's missing trackpads, which is a pretty big oversight for a device like that.
The original Ally was pretty debatable hardware wise when compared to the deck. It was more powerful, but had worse battery life (especially in low power games), worse controls, poorly designed heat routing that burned up SD cards, etc. There was also stuff like how the higher resolution screen wasnt really necessary for the screen size, and the performance hit was very significant unless you capped at 720p.
Right on. I'm just excited that this form factor is going to "be a thing" for a while, because god damn, I love my deck.
But realistically, it could be a drop in replacement for my mobile computing solutions if it was just a bit beefier.
Dual boot this....and I may have the perfect device.
Hell yeah. If Valve was smart, they'd have pushed for this a lot sooner. They should focus on making it more device-agnostic. If the consumer's device revolves around their storefront, then it's a massive win for them.
They tried that method with the steam machines, it didnt work. A bunch of companies put out half arsed cash in versions and it went nowhere. By putting Valve's whole weight behind one platform that they tested extensively they got a great product that has made waves. Opening it up now that it has momentum makes sense, but they absolutely made the right call making the steam deck the focus rather than making it hardware agnostic.
Even if Valve pushed their own Steam machine back then, it would have failed miserably. It simply had terrible game support because Proton didn't exist (or integration with wine). Only the few native linux games out there would work.
But now Valve has Proton. I doubt the Steam Deck would have taken off if it wasn't for that.
Valve shouldn't give their blessing to SteamOS on the Ally. That should be Asus‘ job. However they could give Asus a cut on every game sold through their device on SteamOS (like a few percent). That would make it much more financially interesting for Asus and they might put an official team behind it, to support SteamOS.
You don't think the developers of SteamOS should be the ones working on SteamOS?
Yes, thats how Open Source works or they can keep paying Windows. Asus knows their hardware much better than Valve does and has a much bigger interest in a good user experience, but currently lacks the incentive, because Windows is a „good“ paid alternative. Honestly I don't understand all the downvotes.
It mentions that the work from Valve was for accessory support. So they may not be extending that much effort towards getting it on specific devices. Rather, I think they're working on generic PC support on the side.
