What are your red flags for job interviews?
What are your red flags for job interviews?
I was looking at a potential new job until it occurred to me to ask about dealing with "on-call" support.
As I work in tech, there is usually an expectation that some level of support is handled off hours in case systems go down. However this position didn't have any compensation for making yourself available and generally only 15 mins from a phone or computer to support the systems. The best they could offer was "time in-lieu" if you get called, which is basically saying they'll let you work your contracted maximum hours despite it being unsociable hours.
Fuck that.
After seeing elsewhere someone commenting that they would refuse to on-call if there was also a "return to office", because if they had to go to the office to work, then how could they possibly support it from home, it made me wonder what other things should I remember to enquire about when interviewing and asking the hiring company?
The main thing I ask about on-call is what the scope is and how many people are covering it.
There's one end where they have a kid who takes calls and literally 70% of them go to you, plus you are on call every other week because there's only three on the rota and one guy quit/is on holiday.
And then there's the other end where there's multiple on call teams and your team only gets called for very specific reasons, you are one of 5-6 people on the rota, on call bonus is massive plus 1.5*wage for every call out.
We had a union shop here where standing-by with a cell phone after-hours got you regular wage 1:1. Call-outs were double-pay, minimum 4 hours. Really-really.
When the benefits listed are the legally required minimum holiday and pension, plus on site parking. Usually these are also paired with a competitive salary.
Edit: it's late, I can't read and wrote about things in a job advert rather than an interview. I'm going to bed, maybe I'll try do some Internet tomorrow.
No, thats fine!
Red flags can be anywhere! Spread the warnings, because some things dont always sound as toxic as they really are.
Some warning words in job listings:
- “hit the ground running” : there’s no time or people to train you, you have a day to learn the whole system.
- ”we’re looking for a rock star…” : the one guy who knew how it all worked rage quit, we need someone who can do it all
- ”open to graduate engineers” : we don’t want to pay a high salary for an experienced engineer so we’ll pay you peanuts to (hopefully) do the same role.
- ”As a world leader in…” : few have heard of us before, including you
- “…fast paced environment …” : We don’t have enough people, would rather not spend the money , prepare to do three roles at once
- “work hard, and play hard” : No play just work, 16 hour days. Once every 6 months HR will plan a mandatory rock climbing event (on a Saturday)
- ”…Remote flexibility” : You can work at home one day per month if it’s snowing otherwise we need you to commute in for every 15 minute meeting
- “You will lead a multi-disciplined team…” : a collection of odds and sods who can’t communicate or get anything done. That’s why there’s an opening
- “…family oriented business…” : We’ll call you with problems any hour of the night, your scheduled vacations are subject to cancellation, if you resign we need 6 months notice, then we’ll still call you at your new job for advice.
- ”We are the innovators” : we need you to juice up our also-ran bland product line
- Any mention of onsite food or catering means they want you working while eating lunch
- ”An opportunity has arisen” : Someone said fuck this I’m out.
- If it’s a job with little contact with customers or clients and they still mention casual Fridays, avoid
- ”You should have ten years experience in Ratfuck XBumpick version 2.3 (1997 edition) and 8 years experience in Tard Tool Power Edition DOS” : We’ll consider you if understand numbered lists in Word.
- ”You enjoy new challenges every day…” : The rest of us just want to get the fuck out of here at 5 o clock and go home.
I would like to remind you that you are posting in a UK-focussed community.
Quite right. XBumpick 2.3 was only ever released in the US, after ‘the incident’ back in 1996.
Anything involving Myers–Briggs.
I stay away from "Full stack" dev roles. Keeping a UI current with all their demands and so many dependency updates is a full time job on its own. Then on top of that I need to implement back end systems and stay on top of security? Hire two people you cheap bastards!
Full Stack has always been a scam
They ask you to pay for something necessary for the hiring process before even confirming that you are, in-fact, hired.
"So it's like a pyramid, but upside down"
- MLM I interviewed for.
They give you CEO? wut 🤣
lol kinda, it was a real office with 3 staff: CEO, CFO, and assistant. I was weirded out seeing all three were ~20 years old. He said I could make my own subsidiary and be my own CEO one day. I asked for the parent company name and did a quick Google when he stepped out of the room for a second. Not only saw the MLM stuff but also a culture of employee abuse and hazing in the subsidiaries. I just walked out at that point.
When they ask you for an indication of what you'd like to earn, only to then casually say "okay" to what you said and low ball you by a lot afterwards. Lady, I can't help that you didn't provide the salary range in advance, that's your fault.
In this region, they must state the salary range as part of the job advert.
The day that came into force I spent just reporting dickweed companies.
They all do that. They're actually trained in how to do that. It's some sick Prisoner's Dilemma thing. They make you give an estimate first and then low ball from there. They don't tell you a salary range deliberately because they know people will put themselves at the top of the range.
I've had it before where I've replied to them saying "What's the salary range" and they've said "we don't disclose that at this stage in the interview what's your salary right now?". The fuck. So they expect me to tell them everything and tell me nothing in return? End the interview right there.
I just lie about my salary when they ask 🤷 Can't low ball me if I already inflated it lol
That reminds me, I should ask what the previous person was paid before giving my current salary. That way it's an equal exchange of information.
I no longer apply to jobs that don’t post salary because of this. It’s a lie. The salary is the low part of the range, but at least that’s something.
I had this happen very egregiously once, years ago (tho not from the UK… sorry, didn’t really catch where I was before I commented). During the application process they asked for wage requirements. I provided my minimum, which was slightly inflated to about $15/hr. I’m in a fairly low cost area, but even then that wasn’t really asking for a lot, about average for lab work of any sort at the time. This was for an optometrist lab position; they can afford to pay properly.
They called me in to interview, so I assumed their pay matched my requirements well enough. Maybe a bit of wiggle, but we’d be close. I’d been unemployed for a while and spent my own gas to get there, half hour drive and all, when I was living on borrowed money..
She did the whole 45 minute interview then offered me $10/hr for a job requiring a degree. $3 above minimum wage for a BS. You what now?
I let that cunt absolutely have it (I’m usually a people-pleasing conflict-avoiding sort, but that straw broke me). Loud enough the entire place could probably hear it. (It was very cathartic) “Why the actual fuck would you waste my time and money like this when you know full fucking well what you are offering isn’t even fucking close to my absolute bare minimum? I made more than you are offering 10 fucking years ago, before I went to college and got student debt, and it was shit pay then, are you insane? Did you think this was going to work out well for you, and you’d get a good, desperate employee from your deceptive dehumanizing bullshit? Fuck you, you oblivious piece of shit, I hope this place fails as much as you did in life.”
After that, I don’t even apply to jobs without knowing the pay range. Or if I do, that’s the first question I ask if they call me. “What’s the pay range for this position?” “Oh it depends on qualifications and experience!” “No, it doesn’t, I’m no longer interested.”
I've actually had the opposite of this happen to me, I gave a figure and they offered me more. But I've also had this happen too when they've gone below what I asked.
Some things that worry me are "coding superstar" "your in a small team so must be able to do multiple roles" usually means you have to work put everything on your own without support, just i want moreeee im super wary if i hear "we're like a family" normally means i want you to do things most companies cpuldnt ask for, like working extra hoirs without pay.
Also i usually ask "how do you find working here" if they seem excited or happy i take it as a good sign, if they look worried, angry or theyre like "it takes time getting used to" im a bit wary.
If the position says you'll be working directly with the CTO, just say no.
Micro-managing?
"As CTO, I am a unique and special genius with unique and special vision. You exist only to implement my unique and special vision. Expect me to document and define the unique and special vision haphazardly (sometimes literally on the back of a restaurant napkin), if at all, and that I will be hugely critical if you deviate from any of the undescribed features of my unique and special vision."
Source: have worked directly for more than one unique and special genius.
I just refuse any offer with any kind of on-call expectation. I work set hours and after that I'm no longer available.
It's been working for me for the last decade.
I just want a job brother.