20 years later, same promises as 20 years ago, now with "vastly increase the probable lifespan of consciousness, as we will no longer have all our eggs, literally and metabolically... on one planet"
Getting into Stefan Molyneux levels of breeder fetish egg fixations, too.
"We will figure it out when we get there. Can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. Where is your sense of adventure? You think SpaceX didn't already account for that?"
Any competent engineer would have accounted for such a basic and obvious threat to life in space and mars such as radiation. Therefore no further inquiry is required we can just give him the benefit of the doubt.
The whole eggs/fertility thing is really based on a huge (and largely deliberate) misunderstanding of reproductive biology and how ovarian follicles work and die. You're essentially at peak fertility at 30, most of the eggs die off before age 5.
I think a lot of egg-o-maniacs cherry-pick the data to fit what they already believe so they can have the strongest possible case to creep on children.
holy hell I figured the right wingers were creepy with "peak fertility" being like 20 and was just an excuse to have weird desires to sleep with women half their age but they were off by a decade!!!???
It's so funny that the logical conclusion of this guy's life is Starlink satellites inevitably causing Kessler syndrome and preventing humans space exploration.
"Starlink" bazinga satellites are low-earth orbit, which means they'll burn up in the near future... which means more launches are constantly needed to maintain the bazinga satellite network for even more waste production and carbon dumping. The future!
I think the Star Citizen grift fascinates me because it's a miniature version of the grift empire, from bullshit promises to fascist ideology baked right in.
I'm not as familiar with the Star Citizen situation aside from the posts about it on here but it's also funny how those devs are the whales for such a long time now, and yeah Musk has been getting away with it for decades.. low priced electric cars, self driving cars, sentient AI, Mars colony, you name it, the techbros were the biggest marks for it as usual
Wow, in my lifetime the Mars LandingsTM have gone from being perpetually 20 years away, to perpetually 10 years away, to perpetually 4 years away. Truly impressive!
I wonder if we’ll be down to perpetually 2 years away in 10 years!
King Bazinga himself has openly admitted how excited he would be to have no pesky Earth laws to restrict him.
He may be still too much of a coward to actually hop onto one of his bazinga rockets, but he certainly would enjoy the ultimate Little St. James experience if it was available to him.
How did that quote not be sus to anyone? Like that seriously implies that there is an earth law he wants to break, but he is smart enough to know not even he can get away with criticizing that earth law.
It's not a treats-derived Science Victory meme the way Mars is, which is probably why it isn't romanticized the same way (and doesn't inspire venture capital and government subsidies).
I bet Musk creates a weapons program before he lands on Mars. If he wants to be emperor of Mars he'll need a threat in order to prevent rebellion and the colony declaring independence from him the moment it gains any kind of self sufficiency.
The idea of leaving earth and living on some isolated colony in the middle of space lightyears away from where literally everyone in all of human history has lived and died is so fucking terrifying.
Like...we have astronauts stuck on the fucking ISS, no way in hell I am flying off to some entirely different astronomic body with the current state of space travel.
This is the worst future. I love space, I love space travel and I do truly believe expanding out to the stars is inevitable for humanity. But the governments of the world with space capable craft are either underfunded or too busy bailing out billionaire vanity projects.
I have zero confidence that this man or his circlejerk corporate stooges can get ANYTHING to land on Mars. Nor will he be able to get anyone there safely. He has no serious plan for this, he'll just throw his slave-labor money at a group of recent aerospace engineering graduates and tell them to figure it out, as long as it's under budget, of course.
I dunk hard on frequently because I am a deeply disappointed and jaded space exploration enjoyer that had a lifelong dream/fantasy of reaching for the stars that has been ideologically (and economically and politically) dominated by billionaire manchildren and their clownish personal whims for decades now.
lol, no one has been able to build a self-sustaining city on Earth, but I'm sure that's just all the pesky oxygen and water that is freely available getting in the way, right? Do you think he's even talked to the Biosphere people? Hell, do you think he's even watched Bio-Dome?
I've argued exhaustively, both online and in person, with devotees about this. If experiments with sealed-in colonies on Earth were failures already and in need of drastic improvements to be successful in the future, what chance does Mars-A-Lago have?
The answers I usually got were treat-brained idioms and slogans, sneering at me about my pessimism. It's not pessimism, it's the fucking science that they claim to fucking love.
Elon's entire spiel seems to be haulage which is just a baby step. He proclaims he'll get stuff to Mars and Presto! there will be a city of millions of people. As far as I know - he hasn't said a single word about even the most basic nuts-and-bolts problems of trying to set up even a tiny compound on fucking different planet. Like the lack of air, the lower gravity, the lack of food, the dangerous radiation, and the list goes on.
Imagine Elon had a detailed 10,000 people Mars starter city plan that he made public to much fanfare. I'm sure within the hour regular people would have started to find huge flaws and city would be big trending joke on social media. By the end of the day scientists, technicians, and engineers would have cut his plan to shreds. Elon would have a public meltdown for a week and then pretend that he "owned" his haters.
and Presto! there will be a city of millions of people
We haven't even got orbital cities or moon cities and this clown wants mars cities. The West's only functional space station is said to be going to be decommissioned in the next few decades at some point too.
He proclaims he'll get stuff to Mars and Presto! there will be a city of millions of people.
I think he's in the same gravity well of credulity that his cult followers are also in, where landing on Mars is the Epic Science Victory, show completion score, roll credits, and everything after that can be dismissed until it happens.
Imagine Elon had a detailed 10,000 people Mars starter city plan that he made public to much fanfare.
He sort of did: it was a picture of a Texas-style mega highway with fucking cars, but with a red background.
That sounds about right. Who needs stuff like food, air, and protection from deadly radiation when you've got a car that you're gonna drive to... Wait a minute. Drive to where exactly?
It's virtually guaranteed that even if one were to even get a viable amount of people to mars the first attempt at building a colony's doomed to some sort of "all hands lost" situation, isn't it?
All those quirky memes about dying on Mars, from Grimes included, were building up toward normalizing that idea and making it non-horrifying enough to potentially happen. Well, still horrifying for those that lost their nerve mid-flight with radiation exposure and very tight quarters and janky SpaceX shit breaking all around them for the many months on the way there. Not a moment of glory, but a long stretch of regrets.
No give me one billion dollars and I will launch a starship full of all these bazinga assholes straight at the sun and I can probably get it done in 12 weeks
On one thing, Musk and I agree. It is desirable to have self-sufficient extra-terrestrial colonies. Because you never know what kind of crazy shit space can cook up to kill us all. If we could have a colony outside of Earth which has enough resources to get a few thousand people back to Earth any time, it would make it much more likely that the most advanced intelligent life we're aware of continues to exist.
Unfortunately, doofuses like Musk make it far less likely that we'll ever actually achieve that goal. By his involvement he delegitimizes the entire endeavor.
It is desirable to have self-sufficient extra-terrestrial colonies.
Having a private corporation, for profit, promise to make them, especially one ran by a fucking clown that executively meddled the ZYBERTRUKKK into existence and hasn't met a safety regulation he actually liked, is definitely a mistake even then.
Yup, obviously it isn't going to work with his involvement.
Not to mention the fact that no one has actually demonstrated how a self-sufficient extra-terrestrial colony would work. Much less one on Mars, which is frankly a ridiculous leap. Trying to make your first extra-terrestrial colony on Mars is like picking up chess and deciding that for your first match you want to go for the FIDE master title
"WE WILL 🅱️ERAFORM 🅱️ARS SO THAT WE CAN LET THE LOOSERS ON EARTH TO DIE AND WE WILL DO TONS OF EPIC SPACE STUFF LIKE SPACE CAPITALISM WITH SLAVES AND BEGGARS LIKE IN STAR WARS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLES WILL DIE IN EPIC LASER SPACE WAR LIKE IN STAR WARS AND IT WILL ALL BE SO LE
EPIC LIKE IN STAR WARS!!!!"