Why do some people in the USA assume all immigrants are illegal and should "go back to where they came from"? Shouldn't that logic apply to all non-Native Americans?

The answer to your question is right in your question.

"Logic"

Cold, hard logic no longer applies. Reality is manufactured now. Pointing out a logical fallacy doesn't change anyone's mind if that logic doesn't coincide with their ideology.

Racism. Next question.

Assuming that all non-white people are illegal immigrants is called "racism". (Stupid too, but mostly racism)

The oligarch owned media/government/education system wants the working class fighting each other rather than going after the real parasites (the oligarchs). They use 24/7 cradle to grave propaganda to convince people that the threat comes from "others" instead of the bosses. Easier to get people to punch down.

Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist. In my experience, if you reply with yeah this is a problem we need to change how it works so people arent forced to do illegal things, they will tell they just dont want them here. Its not about coming in illegally its about non white people coming here. We really need reform. Your friend is on very sad and dangerous path.

That's the great thing about racism, it doesn't have to make sense!

Oh i have no doubt they tell native Americans to go back where they came from. Especially folks like Tejanos who speak Spanish and used to be Mexican.

Racism, that answer is racism... No need to over analyse this

Oligarchs are seizing control of the country. Wages have been declining for decades; there was a time when you could buy a house with just a few years' salary. As the rich become richer and the poor become poorer, the middle class slowly sinks towards the poverty line. To shield themselves from public scrutiny, the oligarchs use propaganda to spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. They deploy their most charismatic and beautiful individuals to tell you that if it weren’t for all those foreigners, you’d have a stable job.

Meanwhile, all manufacturing companies have been sold and moved overseas. Unskilled and uneducated labor is at an all-time low. Drug use is up, crime rates are soaring, and neighborhoods are falling into poverty. Is it time to protest, to start an uprising? But wait—straight from Fox News: all those immigrants who came over are criminals. It's gang violence. Other countries are exiling their criminals and sending them to us. Our poor, uneducated, unwashed masses are eager to believe this, allowing the right to swoop in, carrying these people back home. They believe that finally, they'll land that big job, get the big raise, the big truck, have nine kids, and live happily ever after.

Racism.

That's i t.

That's literally it.

Never try to underestimate stupid. You'll fail every time.

Well by definition if you are born in someplace you are a native of that place.

those people are looking for something to hate. This is also why those kind of people are deadend for humanity. If they get rid of all immigrants they will find some other group to hate and after getting rid of those they will find another again until there are only 2 people that want to kill eachother, if you excuse the hyperbole.

Yesterday, at a park, I saw some Patriot Front (a neonazi group) posters on two adjacent polls. One was something about the "American spirit" descending from "European blood". The other said "America is for Americans". Without a hint of irony.

As if Europeans didn't immigrate but just popped out of the ground here, or something?

Racists aren't known for their critical thinking skills.

someone called my Ukrainian coworker a wetback.

i just... want you to think about that and what it says about how dumb bigots are

"Shouldn't that logic apply to..."

One must remember that people aren't logical. They're hypocritical and willfully ignorant.

They don't care. They just want to get rid of brown people. "Illegal Immigration" is just the smoke screen.

A lot of people are influenced by alt-right news (Fox News, Newsmax, OAN) who keep repeating the false claim that undocumented immigrants are mostly gangsters and violent criminals. In truth, undocumented immigrants are way less likely to commit a violent crime than an average American citizen.

Trump said, regarding the first deportation flight:

Three hundred people sitting on a plane. Every single one of them is either a murderer, a drug lord, a kingpin, the head of the mob, or a gang member

Yet none of those deportees had any criminal conviction in either country (according to Newsweek, a slightly-right news source).

Because we have an idiot problem over here right now. The person you know is an idiot.

American fascism doesn't care what's true or what's right. It cares only to kill and enslave people who are "undesirable"

Short answer is "propaganda". News agencies against immigration will pretty regularly swap between "illegal immigrants", "immigrants", and

<insert current target race here>

<insert race>

First, think about how smart the "average" person is.

Next, think about how half of the people in the world are dumber than that and you start to get an idea.

Will yes but... Muh DEI and eggs....

Because they're stupid, bigoted cunts. I IT in construction (somehow still, whew thats another story) and I talk to these troglodytes on a daily basis. The minute one of these homunculus shambles in and has a minute to flap their lip skins racist ass, stupid ass shit flows out. Meanwhile, every gentleman that is of Mexican descent can at least hold their cool, or outright flipoff the trump cutout my boss has up in our office. Not saying they aren't imperfect humans either, but for some fucken reason white dudes can't help but drop the mask to other white dudes. All I gotta do is have one Trump trinket near me to work magic on anyone conversing with me. The trick is, a lot of the immigrant dudes didnt start flipping Trump off until he actually began this deportation shit. Even when he was saying he'd do it they were saying he'd fix stuff. Its a people thing man idk. Education in the western hemisphere is just utterly failing most. If you aren't a knowledge seeker, if you dont have the tools to combat propaganda and falsehoods, and sometimes even if you do, this place will eat you.

You assume logic is behind their reasoning, that's where you went wrong

For a moment I was like wtf...then I saw this was on no stupid questions

Your first mistake is assuming logic has anything to do with it.

Whats worse is that the current administration has stated that native Americans are not US citizens and indigenous communities are being hassled hard by ICE right now. I don't know what their plan for native people eventually is but it won't be good and it won't be to just leave them out of this.

Remember, everyone is a hypocrite. The USA is a melting pot of so many different peoples with about 250 years of history as a nation. My working theory is that has led to a nation-wide identity crisis: who and what am I. They are intensely occupied with their origins because the only people who have been on the continent for millennia (Native Americans) were brutally reduced and are the only ones who know their roots with higher certainty.
\ It's why many USAians will gladly call themselves "Italian", "Indonesian", or "African" without ever having set a foot in that country/continent, knowing next to nothing about it, being unable to speak or even identity a language from there, nor locate it on the map.

Factor in their education system, "winner takes all" vote counting system which leads to tribalism, and media influence, human inability to think long term, and you end up with a large swathe of people who cannot reason logically about these things.

Because people here are racists, yet not clever.

Send musk back please.

Where’s the meme of someone holding the box and inside is one word? Racism

I think it's as simple as this: people need an enemy, some person or group they feel is against them. Conservatives get off on having a victim complex, and will straight up make shit up against their opposition just to make themselves look like a helpless little child. "Oh no, what am I gonna do? Me or my granddaughter needs a job and I heard in the news they're all being taken up by immigrants" meanwhile, the same person is being fed this information from the comfort of their couch.

"The immigrants are taking our jobs" is a sentiment that I have seen at least in my part of the country go down in the last several years and im in a very conservative area. Simple fact is immigrant workers work cheaper and faster than others and they often do better work, people are realizing that.

It is ethnic cleansing, pure and simple.

the logic is that they think white people deserve the land more. Its plain old racism.

The US is an immigrant nation built on the genocide of natives. Anti-immigration sentiment is based on an ignorance of history and the modern workforce of the country.

Crackdowns on undocumented workers will destroy the local agricultural industry. The US and its food supply are completely dependent on migrant labor.

And yes, it’s deeply hypocritical to genocide a population, steal their land, then act like people who came from elsewhere a few generations later to work are an existential problem.

The White House made it so that all inmigrants are criminals by default because they entered the country illegally. Turning innocent until proven guilty on its head. Now everyone is guilty by association.

Because that would involve a level of logic and critical thinking well beyond them.

There was a 19th century political party that rose in opposition to the arrival of Irish Catholic immigrants. They had the audacity to call themselves the Native American Party. Also, known as the Know Nothings. They're the gang that Bill the Butcher (Daniel Day Lewis) leads in Gangs of New York.

It's origins (and current day continuation) are in white nativism which of course intersects with the white supremacist and American exceptionalism sentiments that has been around since the origins of the US

Yeah we better start coming up with some paperwork that our great great grandparents were legal. At this point I'd be pretty happy to be deported to Germany.

See, back then, there used to be this thing called 'an education' that every functioning member of society was expected to have. Basic reasoning skills, the ability to reason and all that - it was meant to separate sapient species from animals and solve problems by means of discourse, debate and, worked well for a while. Then this group started shouting really loud, and the other group thought not to engage in uncivilised behaviour, hoping good sense would prevail and restrain what was largely seen as an anomaly. Only the shouting didn't end. Instead it turned to screaming, then hollering, and started to drown out reason and logic and everything we had developed as a society up til that point. And it worked, so more people started screaming their basal instincts, until the voice of reason was eventually drowned out, then silenced. And here we are today.

White conspiracy theorists know they stole this land and are terrified that what goes around, comes around.

The far-right doesn't care about logic, it's all just good ol' racism.

Yeah these guys are radicalized extremists.

You can't tell if someone is "legally" in the U.S. by looking at them. You can't tell if someone was born here by looking at them. You would think racism would be separate from the immigration panic because there is no way to tie looks to immigration status, but instead the logic is thrown out the window.

My friend told me once "when a guys life goes to shit he looks for someone to blame.". These particular guys have blamed some nebulous idea of "illegal immigrants" instead of women, or communists or whatever.

So people are programmed to be biased towards their own self interest, it’s not as malicious as it sounds, it’s unfortunately human nature.

So naturally they would think that the new world conquest was justified for whatever reason (maybe cause there was no flag?).

And conversely, naturally they would think of new people coming here as less justified, after all, we live in a modern world with borders now.

What I’ve learned from politics in the last few years, especially during the pandemic, is to never trust someone’s opinion when there is conflict of interest.

Its called being a moron.

It's inherent feature of human reasoning across the board. Everyone does broad generalizations about other people based on more or less unrelated information about them. Just yesterday someone here was getting upvoted for implying people driving lifted trucks are racists. It's the same logic at work there. It's othering. Us vs. them and so on. It may have been useful when we still lived in tribes but doesn't quite work with how society is today.

I dont think they assume all immigrants are illegal. They talk about illegal immigrants. As in those that entered clandestinely without visa or entering permit or those that have their visa / permit expired. Correct me if im wrong.

For some reason it seems like human nature to treat everybody in a recognizable group like they're the same person, and that person is either good or bad depending on your background and attitudes - immigrants, trans people, cops, boomers, tech nerds, hot women, republicans, democrats, musicians... there are probably stereotypes you have broad opinions about which you will spend all day defending/rationalizing because a) "it's true" and/or b) "I'm not bigoted!" We're all bigots, just do it in different ways. And no, that's not a defense for any particular bigotry or saying they're all equal.

That's just bad logic saying that all Americans all are immigrants. It implies that land is bound by blood and every modern immigrant everwhere would never be integrated into society, since they weren't the original people there. Every society that has migrated would also receive this immigrant label, like the Hungarians and Bulgarians. There comes a point where the people who conquer lands become the people living there and not just immigrants.

These kinds of bad gotchas aren't proving anything unless you seriously think they are only going for immigrants. They are racists. They use the term immigrant to refer to non-white people.

Because some people were never taught critical thinking skills

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Because they write their narrative, or subscribe to one where they are the defenders, not the peoples who were dominated a couple of centuries ago.

It's called manifest destiny and it's part of the propaganda machine that's been worked on us since before all of us were born.