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US bans government personnel in China from romantic or sexual relations with Chinese citizens

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US bans government personnel in China from romantic or sexual relations with Chinese citizens

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  • I see their thinking (prevent espionage by making sure people don't get into relationships), but this seems like it would make the problem worse. Now, a person who's compromised by literally being in bed with a spy has even more pressure not to disclose the relationship, providing another avenue for blackmail.

    We're going to hear a story in ten years about how some guy had a secret family in China and his partner turned out to be a spy who stole a bunch of top secret shit and the guy didn't do anything when he found out because he didn't want to get in trouble for having 3 kids. It will be a worse breach than Robert Hanssen lmao

    • Now, a person who's compromised by literally being in bed with a spy has even more pressure not to disclose the relationship, providing another avenue for blackmail.

      Ehh not really another avenue for blackmail. They have a special hotline just for people in situations like this, minimal punishments as long as you didn't willingly cooperate and promptly and fully report it all with details of people, time, place, etc. They disappear you for a short while to attempt to prevent the enemy from using any blackmail they have but its witness protect not Gitmo.

      The thing US spy agencies learned decades ago was just this risk and they took steps to have internal services and solutions to allow escape valves so it wouldn't work. They're not completely incompetent. In fact it's only in the past 5 years that China itself has established similar leniency for reporting the problem systems to deal with their own issues of western spies and blackmail.

      Now might it keep them from reporting contacts to prevent getting in trouble and that hurting US mapping of Chinese counter-espionage/honey-pot networks and such if they want to continue the relationship? Sure, absolutely. But it's not going to provide for trapping anyone in any deeper who's fine with breaking it off.

    • Even in situations where the person ISN'T sleeping with a spy, it creates an avenue for blackmail. One that will cause internal turmoil between staff members who know their colleague slept with that girl on the night out the other night, and also by external operatives if they discover it.

      Honestly the harmful office politics of it is going to be non-zero. Everyone knows when someone is dating someone or when something happened when out drinking on the work night, and there are work colleagues that have 1 or 2 work friends outside of work... Especially when in a foreign country with few options for English speakers.

  • Every article needs at least one "China bad authoritarian state" claim.

    Mattis added that another issue is that Chinese state security doesn’t gather intelligence just through spies, but also by pressing ordinary Chinese people for information, often through threats or intimidation. That, Mattis said, means any Chinese citizen who dates an American diplomat could be vulnerable to coercion.

    This sounds like pure projection, I have a hard time believing the CIA doesn't do this. I'm sure that Chinese intelligence keeps ears and eyes around where foreign embassy staff go but threats and intimidation? Lol k

  • So is this because of all the gov personnel doing sexual assault making them look bad or is it because of spies?

    • It's probably because of some racist "one drop" fears.

    • I got forced to do a thing where they warned me about Chinese spies when I was a military dependent. the paranoia is real (and not necessarily unfounded China's got some top tier operators)

  • ive seen plenty of cdramas and been on rednote

    no way our personnel can hold strong in this arena

    1.4 billion people and the ratio of hot to not is absolutely ridiculous

  • Volcel police!!

    • The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.

      نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.

  • "Can't be having our white folk breeding with dem orientals. Gotta keep our race pure." /s

  • It is kind of ironic that on this day in 1946 MacArthur was lifting the same ban on relationships with Japanese citizens and US soldiers, because it was just going underground

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