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Forcing AI Companies to Respect Copyright Would "Kill the Industry"

Forcing AI Companies to Respect Copyright Would "Kill the Industry"

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Oh sure NOW tech bros don't like copyright anymore
- No they're still consistent on opposing anything that makes them less money.
  
  It's funny that the capitalist class aren't consistent on this though.
  Old media corps (Disney, etc.) make their money by overprotecting their IPs, while the younger tech giants are going to make more money with liberal laws regarding copyright and AI.
  Not sure it'll end up good for us on the ground regardless but it's nice to see them fight.
- It’s always “it’s MY IP to sit on and do nothing with, respect the heckin’ property rightserino!” when it serves them, and the nanosecond a poor possibly has something they want, suddenly its “IdEaS aRe MeAnT tO bE sHaReD!1!1!1”

i choose to hold the syncretic and internally inconsistent position that copyright law should be used to expropriate all these AI companies to death, and then be repealed immediately.
- I don't think it is inconsistent to oppose both copyright and plagiarism.
  
  We just need a forever expanding attribution list, even if we get rid of copyright.
  X was created by Dave, Y was created by Eliza based on work by Dave, Z was created by Joaquin based on work by Dave and Eliza and so on.
  Academics already do this when citing sources, just make everyone else do it too.
- Just expropriate the ai companies and stop new data centers

A colleague who works in AI was just going off about how China has no IP laws (not true) that allow them to get away with stealing data for their AI. I brought up Meta torrenting thousands of books for their AI and they insisted it was different lol
Very tiring
- Sadly this person is also on the bottom half of that list. Being in the burger reich truly rots the brain

- but also death to copyright
  
  Abolish copyright the day after we use it to destroy generative AI.

Good. It should die.
AI is trash, and the only folks impressed with it are uneducated and unskilled to begin with- they don’t see all the inaccuracies nor do they have the capacity to see how flawed it is.
It’s essentially just a parrot, with an immense library to work from. An admin can tell it to give improper information and it will. That isn’t “intelligence”, artificial or otherwise. It’s just a big match game of matching a response to a prompt and doing so just well enough to fool the average user…of sixth grade intelligence.
- Insult to parrots to be honest, parrots are actual living beings with feelings and consciousness. Something the tech-bro tickle-me-elmos don't possess
  
  Yah this is Apollo and Alex slander lmao

Warning signs of an industry that shouldnt exist in the first place.

Someone get AI to make an open-source copy of the Adobe suite
- If that were to ever happen this "AI" industry would disappear entirely with dozens of rounds of government regulation and lawsuits up the ass.
  I know that "AI" will never be good because if it was it would spell disaster for oligarchs everywhere who profit off of privatized tech.
  
  They'll just make it illegal to own computer hardware powerful enough for it to be useful for "national security" purposes.

Good!

Yet THEY expect ME to actually buy books rather than get them online

do it

Forcing thieves to pay for things will kill the stolen goods industry!!!
- Regulatory overreach like this is going to put thousands of ~~honest~~ wallet inspectors out of business

I've been saying this for years. Either Copyright dies, or the AI Industry dies.

How do I incorporate myself as an AI company?

Critical support to AI companies!

Y'all hurry up n' bankrupt yourselves now, ya hear?

Have people not learned from music sampling and fangames? Must we really destroy fanart as well for the sake of (petty) bourgeois interests?

Ngl in this fight im opposing copyright
- But are you supporting AI?
  
  I mean its a technology. As slop generation its a waste, but thats not what its best at anyway.

Critical support to copyright.

The good news is that apparently it's a lot easier to copy an existing AI than to develop an equivalent model from scratch. So you can copy ChatGPT or other AIs by just asking it a very large series of prompts, getting replies, and using those to train your own version of ChatGPT. And apparently, this takes far fewer resources than training ChatGPT from scratch.
If training an AI based on actual human-created copyrighted works isn't copyright infringement, then training an AI based on the output of another certainly isn't.
So even if AI companies manage to set this precedent, open-source AI creators can just copy OpenAI's homework and make their product worthless.

Forcing AI Companies to Respect ~~Copyright~~ Would "Kill the Industry"

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