Bring back real social consequences for politically affiliating with a fascist

It was kind of shocking seeing some friends openly turn so incredibly sexist and racist and generally horrible once Trump was elected. I don't regret the finding out, but it was a little surprising seeing I wasn't as good of a judge of character as I thought.

COVID broke people's brains too. don't know about your timeline but in my opinion while some people started showing their true colors, some people actually changed during that time.
- People got stuck at home and were in need of answers and extremists are very good at finding very simple answers to very complex issues, so people got hooked to that
They just got really good at masking the shit in their head, don’t blame yourself
- Had to cut ties with some family too (because I firmly believe family is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT and if you're a shit bag you lose that privilege) but I had always known they were horrible people from the start at least.
Yeah, its a bummer. For those relationships you value you can still talk about why they feel that way. Its harder when they are consumed by the fb algo though.
If you think back before that, weren't those the most self-centered and selfish ones?
I remember a situation with a friend of mine from back in my Uni days (not a case of him turning out to be a Trumpist but a case of him having drifted away from his family, rather than "facing it like a man" he just kept deceiving them and living a double life until things inevitably blew up) and looking back from my by then far more mature and adult point of view than when he and I became friends I could spot how he was always the guy who put himself ahead of the rest of the group.
I get the impression that Trumpists are those who are a mix of being the most "what's in it for me" types (to the point of putting the satisfaction of petty and even mean personal psychological wants ahead of other people's actual lives) and useful idiot, and those would have a track record of putting themselves first even in situations were one wouldn't act like that with friends.
one of the people i know, love watching UFC, joe roegan, naturally he became a trump-lite person overtime, even starting to wear on me that is showing signs of being anti-vaxers.i notice these new trumpers are often pretty ignorant of the news in general, like they dont actually go look up his policies and what they will do. and supporting people like YE despite what he has become is all pretty clear.
That seems to be his superpower. He is so blatantly and unashamedly despicable that he emboldens every asshole on Earth to stop holding back on their assholery, but instead flaunt it like never before.
"If he can do it, why shouldn't I do it as well?"

Sorry, but there's something wrong with people that are supporting open fascism. This isn't people 'not playing nice' with fascists, it's protection against fascists. Everyone that is still sane should stay away from anyone openly supporting fascist themes.

Which is so fucking obvious that it should not have to be said.

They don’t see it as fascism. They just see that their “team” is “winning”, and the “other” people are losing. That’s all life is to them, winning over everyone else, even when it goes against self preservation.

I just switched my electrical contractor that does work at my job like every other day. Dude was making a grand a week easily just on the jobs I was giving him. Then he drives in one day with the maple maga bumper stickers and the anti science bullshit. Haven’t called him back in over 5 weeks, there are plenty of contractors out there and they’re not all nuts

Not just in colleges, but everywhere. I own a business, and I wouldn't hire someone who is openly MAGA. Clearly they are ignorant, make poor choices, and are easy to manipulate, and I don't want them to be responsible for any aspect of my business.

I own a business, and I wouldn’t hire someone who is openly MAGA.
I work in the O&G industry. Quite a few of the rank and file office folks are vanilla liberals. The senior execs are all Christian MAGA.
Silicon Valley has the same problem. The professional working class is liberal, while the senior sex pest corporate ice chewers are all in the same insane Scientology cults and Mormon tabernacle choirs and Longtermist Transhuman Collectives.
I've seen the same dynamic in health care, professional sports, Big Law, finance, heavy industry...
Great that you managed to break into the club as a Normal. But I don't see a future where I'm sitting on the board of a Fortune 500 corporation. A notable reason why is that I'm not working my way up the chain at Opus Dei.
Or, less generously, they enjoy the cruelty and hate.

Fuck yeah, has been (mostly) my approach and suggestion since 2016, don't be friendly with fascists. Now, the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they're basically decent but brainwashed. After 2024 though, doesn't matter, there's no way you don't know who he really is at that point, and if you supported him you should be shunned.

I've boycotted Republicans/Conservatives since at least 2000, when they decided that it was perfectly acceptable to steal the presidency.
Once they fully adopted the "ends justify the means" approach, I considered Conservatism to be a character flaw. I wouldn't be friends with people who physically abuse their spouses or their children, and by the same logic, I won't be friends with people who abuse our society, our government, or our citizens.
you would be surprised, only about half of the trump supporters I've met know about and support him for being fascist (among other things). The other half think that the deportations and basically anything negative about trump is fake news, a smaller amount also think they are voting for an imaginary non-maga republican party.
- The Germans have a word for the people who supported Hitler for purely economic reasons and not at all because of the fascism or genocide.
  That word is Nazi
- I don't see how that makes any difference at all. Trump himself has told them what he is about at his rallies, completely unedited and unfiltered. They support him because of that.
- The other half think that the deportations and basically anything negative about trump is fake news, a smaller amount also think they are voting for an imaginary non-maga republican party.
  Yeah, well, those people can die suffering, too, they're still Nazi supporters ffs
- It doesn't matter at this point. They are adults, and decisions have consequences.
Nah, way earlier than 2024. In fact ever since the "grab them by the pussy" tape was released before the election in 2016, these miserable bastards knew what he was about and still chose to support him. No decency to be found among them from that point on.
the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they're basically decent but brainwashed.
Unfortunately, we are at a point in human history where there is no functional distinction between smart fascists and stupid fascists. The end result is still propagation of unbridled evil and it cannot be tolerated regardless of the origin.

inb4 the bullshit, bad faith "sO mUCh foR THe toLeRanT LefT!!1!"

Tolerance is a social contract. You break the contract, you don't get the tolerance.

It's a dumb line anyway. There's no obligation for us to tolerate their antisocial behavior in the first place. All that line does is betray that the fascist treats liberalist ideals as a game or a weakness, only a fool would humor their insincere appeals to liberalism.
Jean-Paul Sartre, Réflexions sur la question juive (1946)
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
I will tolerate anyone but the intolerant
"...The tolerant left..."
Your words. Not mine.
- Saying edgy things for squirts of dopamine is the behavior of a drug addict.
- The sarcasm aspect of it went right over your head lol
  Go back to clapping at US citizens being deported and let the adults try to clean up your mess.

I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.

It's Okay To Punch Nazis
- Only if you don't give them an opportunity to punch back
Considered a public service, ideally.
I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.
Yes, it should be that way everywhere. In plenty of societies, it already is.
An international friend of mine in the UK was let off lightly by a judge for punching a Nazi, because the victim was a Nazi. Obviously judges can be a game of luck so I'm not claiming this is a low-risk action, but law isn't set in stone.
it's like returning the shopping cart: you don't have to punch nazis, but if you don't do it you're a bit of a dick

We have moved a bit past 'affiliating with' and are well into 'being' when it comes to the fascism thing.

Affiliating in this case means "tolerating being around". It doesn't really have anything to do with becoming or being fascist.
They're talking about 'affiliating with' too. The plain truth is that people who aren't fascists themselves still enable fascism. (Yes, I know, the whole "1 fascist sitting at a table of 10 is just 10 fascists" line is a great slogan, but at the end of the day, there's no point wasting time flaming someone by calling them a fascist when they don't think they are one, it's semantics, the critical point is they're a fascist-enabler regardless and therefore responsible for and complicit in fascism)
- There are people who consider themselves 'not a fascist' that also consider the Nuremburg Trials inhumane for having executed unrepentant Nazis. The line is intentionally blurred.

Ok, but look at Harvard's alumni. They seem to be the number one producer of real life super villains.

- There are seperate MAGAs for the peasants and the elite.
You mean being an nbc comedy writer??
- A large chunk of US politicians, US SC Justices, and business leaders. Kissinger, Bush II, Gates, Zuckerburg, Bloomberg...
  Skim through this list and see if you think Havard is a net gain or net loss for humanity.

Wow, this will be devastating to the approximately zero Trump supporters at Harvard.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/10/19/shroff-harvard-trump-administration/
Not to paint with too broad of a brush, but a lot of Harvard students are entitled assholes from money and gobble up Republican ideology.
- Why emphasize wealthy? Wealthier people were less likely to vote for Trump.
In what world do you live in where ultrawealthy people don't go to Harvard lol
- you can clearly see the bias, he already said trump was the president for the working class.
don't they teach management there as well?
Remember that the rich assholes want Harvard for themselves and not for anyone else. Plenty of them exist there.

Seeing as everyone is in their own social media echo chamber now and are separate offline it won't really matter.

Just as a slice of it, going to r/conservative is so eye opening. They ignore or ban any news that would directly conflict with conservative beliefs as they once were so they don't have to confront any of it, celebrate anything that makes the left look bad, and openly gargle Trump cum in every post as a badge of honor. It's a truly disgusting little place.
They literally believe the left is just showing their insanity by calling everything fascism. It's what their media tells them too. To them, this is the authoritarian, violent left and these types of actions only confirm their biases.
- Yup, I was just talking to my mother about politics the other day. She's a MAGA-type and while even she's starting to crack on the "wow maybe literally setting fire to 2/3 of the governmental agencies wasn't a good idea" thing, she's still dead convinced it's "for the best" and "well worth the savings" to not be "financing plays about gay people in Dublin" or whatever, and everyone protesting is "just wanting to oppose President Trump because that's what they're told to do".

Shame them in every part of life.

Let them know their beleifs will lead to us having to put them down like rabid dogs for our own safety.

A tweet about a single anonymous post on an obscure forum with no info about the type of response it received.

This is nothing.

If I went to Harvard, and created an account, and then went and made an anonymous post saying cats are horrible and everyone should stop keeping them as pets; do you think that's an indicator that people are turning against cats? Do you think my single, anonymous post would be worth making a tweet over? Do you think that holds ANY relation to other people's options or the actions they will take?

The dirty truth is that the Real Social Consequences of supporting fascism have, historically, been the full throated support of US business, media, and military.
Germany was the exception, not the rule. Spain, Chile, the Philippines, South Vietnam, Israel, Apartheid South Africa, Bolsanaro's Brazil, Modi's India, Trump's America... That's the rule.

students are done playing nice

As the students continue to play nice, but with a frowny face.

But it's hard, the system was designed as such, a lot of work & daily maintenance went/goes into it.

That wasn't already happening? WTF

A call to boycott doesn't mean no one was boycotting before. It's providing solidarity and reinforcing, for those that might feel isolated in their actions, that they aren't just swimming against the current.
- This is true. Boycotting comes from Irish sharecroppers banding together against exploitative British landlords. It worked because they worked together. Anyone who had dealings with British landlords was shunned.
  Boycotting has always been a group effort with coordination playing a key role.
- A call to boycott also sends the message that there will also be consequences for not joining the boycott. If you aren't actively boycotting, you can expect to be treated the same as those who are being boycotted.

Seems a bit pointless because if you know someone who's a giant piece of shit like that you probably already aren't doing any of those things, but I respect the intention

Or you are, but you don't have much of a choice in the matter, because their parents sit on the Board of Governors or sponsor the Frat or otherwise are the people you got into Harvard to suck up to.
It's like telling a young Mark Zuckerberg not to be nice to the Winklevoss Twins. He's not doing it because he likes them. He's doing it to leverage their family connections and wealth. Literally the whole reason anyone goes to Ivy League schools to begin with.
- Sucking up to those people like that is one of the grossest things I can imagine doing. No fancy job title is worth that self-flagellation

Harvard really

The number of times college protesters have been wrong: 0.

democrats will force social consequences to allies and enemies alike

it has whittled down their numbers, and now no one trusts them to do shit

Fascists and fascist sympathizers are not allies.
The angriest people I see on the road these days are people driving five year old Teslas.

unless they are your proxy in ukraine.
Or headchopping terrorists like Al Jolani.

Well well, 20 downvotes, ZERO replies or arguments against these facts.
LOL

Lol, that's not how you stop fascists.

We must only do one thing.
- In the history of fascist movements, being mean to them hasn't stopped their political actions or their motivations.
  This is a fine thing to do since it's probably best not to associate with people who are inherently dangerous but it doesn't stop them.
  There's only one proven way to stop a fascist and their movement.
Dunno why you're downvoted. Fascists never gave up power to anyone who waved signs in the permitted area.

Would this lead to further isolation of those labelled as trump supporter, which would decrease their real-life day-to-day exposure to opposing view points?

We tried hugging them but they don't like it.
- And then they called ICE
It's not though, it's a very direct exposure to other viewpoints. Those who can't reflect on the consequences weren't going to be convinced by you talking at them in any case.
Trump supporters do not argue in good faith and that fact alone is a good reason to not interact with them.
Yes. But like with cancer you need to kill it before it kills you
choke them out if need be, they are adults who are responsible for informing themselves if they want to live in the real world
No.
Maybe instead we should let them do whatever they want with no repercussions or pressure to change ever.
Fuck them, and fuck yeah to the students (and everyone) pushing back
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They already live in an echo chamber. I don't think their worldview is gonna change drastically.
- any opposing viewpoints would easily be dismissed by them, its unlikely they will learn from a opposing view in the first place.
You sound like those entirely out-of-touch milquetoast libs who said back in 2016 that "this will all die off with the Boomers!" while completely ignoring that all of their pundits and media influencers were Gen X, Millennials, and Zoomers who were openly indoctrinating children into fascist ideology. Maybe you havent had any day-to-day exposure to opposing viewpoints?....because you have NO idea who you're dealing with.
- I am not frequently exposed to opposing viewpoints in day-to-day life.
  I have no doubt that I lack the qualifications, experience, and knowledge to make as complex a decision as "Should trump supporters be barred from social spaces?".
  I imagine that my anxiety regarding the uncertainty of these events would be subsided if I knew about a website/book/piece of media which could, very politely and carefully explain the issues with supporting politics of people like trump. Simply because I don't believe I would be able to stay calm during a conversation with such an individual, which would undeniably decrease the chance that they would reconsider their viewpoints.
  Is there such a book/website? Do you have any suggestions? (I bet there is something for climate change deniers)
trump supporters dont want opposing viewpoints though. So its no issue to block them, as they want to do it to every institution, its fair game.