chapotraphouse @hexbear.net captcha [any] @hexbear.net 11 mo. ago

Why aren't people flying Palestinian flags?

When the Ukraine war kicked off there were Ukraine flags all over the place. All the lib houses with the "we believe in signs" had it up. Now I'm not surprised they aren't flying Palestinian flags right now, but I haven't seen a single one and I'm in "blue hole" part of the country. I would expect to see something more than the occasional pin or button. It pisses me off that people still have out their sunbleached Ukraine flags while there is a blantant genocide going on. Truly it reveals the liberal libidinal urge for permission.

Is there a better place to buy a Palestinian flag than amazon?

EDIT: I dont expect the same houses flying Ukrainian flags to fly Palestinian flags. I just expect some homes in my city to be flying a Palestinian flag. Its such a blue hole that theres actually a socialist presence. I know there's people who support Palestine here. I'm not worried about a Zionist lynch mob.

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As others have said, libs don't support Palestine, but also I feel like the more common way to demonstrate solidarity is to wear a keffiyeh.

Also you won't get accused of antisemitism for flying a Ukraine flag.
- Also you won’t get accused of antisemitism for flying a Ukraine flag.
  
  Ironic considering You Crane is run by banderites.
  
  No you see that's RUSSIAN dezinformatsiya
  
  But Zelenskyy is a Jew so it's okay
  
  Ummm no sweaty, Zelenskyyksyyyy is like Harry Potter. Is Harry Potter antisemitic??
  
  stares at the camera like RedLetterMedia
- Many younger, offline liberals support Palestine
Because the ADL is a ridiculously outsizedly powerful lobby with data collecting and doxxing operations on dissidents and a misstep can end your ability to find gainful employment, possibly forever. Read up a bit on their pro-apartheid activities back in the day, it's crazy.
- I dont think they're google street view my home.
Personally, I don't have home insurance.
- Is it just fear thats keeping us back? Again, I'm in a blue hole, its very likely that I might just break a seal. Here's hoping.
  
  Best luck o7
  
  pretty much. same reason i don't fly a trans flag even though i think it'd be cute.
  
  i am weak to fire and bullets
Honestly a lot of it probably has to do with young people not owning houses and a lot of renting situations banning you from displaying any kind of flag or sign, I think that's standard in a lot of leases now, Palestinian support skews super young at least in North America so not surprised that older house owning libs aren't taking a moral stand.

https://palestineonlinestore.com/product/palestine-flags/

https://www.paliroots.com/products/premium-palestine-flag#productTabs4

I'm familiar with both of these sites they are definitely options if you would prefer not to buy from a mega corpo
- Thank you.
There is literally a whatsapp group of rich investors and CEOs and Israeli agents going around getting random people fired for supporting Palestine

https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information
- Yeah but they're targeting people who matter like journalists, professors, journalists, altheletes, etc.
  
  You must keep an appropriate threat model if you're gonna get paranoid about surveillance. Reactionary neighbors, local police, landlords; these are people who might take your politics personally. But to billionaires and such you're just a statistic.
  
  I'm sorry that's not the case.
  
  As the Israel-Hamas war began to heat up in late October, Courtney Carey, a Dublin-based employee of the Israeli website building company Wix, posted the Irish words “SAOIRSE DON PHALAISTIN” -- “Freedom for Palestine” -- on her LinkedIn page.
  
  Within 24 hours of Carey’s LinkedIn post appearing, Alon Ozer, a Miami-based investor, took a screenshot of the post and shared it with a WhatsApp group of more than 300 like-minded investors, tech executives, activists, and at least one senior Israeli government official. Ozer took care to note that Carey worked for Wix.
I assume you live in America? Here in Ireland Palestine flags are everywhere, they were before the current war but even more so now. There's probably ten times as many Palestinian flags as there are Ukrainian flags at this point
- Ireland once again proving themselves to be the only good western country.
  
  It turns out that being the blueprint for western colonisation makes a country pretty sympathetic to anti-colonial causes
Liberals don't support Palestine
- Like I said, I dont expect the same houses with Ukrainian flags to fly Palestinian flags. I would expect some home to fly one. There are leftist/socialists in my area who do support Palestine.
  
  Ah. Well maybe they're actually losers? The socialists near me fly those flags.
The only one I've seen is some gigantic Chevy suburban with the entire hood and doors painted like Palestinian flags and also flying a huge one on a pole off the back. Gave them a big thumbs up while I was walking and they honked back.
- The cousin of
- Hell yeah that rules
Because Ukraine is a neo-nazi comprador regime defending the imperial core and Palestine is an actual embattled and colonized nation. Imperial core propaganda inverts these relationships and pretends they are the opposite. In imperial core propaganda Ukraine is an embattled and colonized nation and Palestine is a neo-nazi comprador regime.

Also people ARE flying palestinian flags, but they are not shown on the news because that does not ally with imperial core propaganda.
- Good point that Zionists are trying to smear Palestine with descriptions that match the Ukrainian state exactly, and they Liberals like to pretend Ukraine is a smol bean Palestine
Most of the people whose hearts were bleeding for Ukraine either support Israel or think it's just too complicated, which is supporting Israel with extra steps
express ticket to get hate crimed especially if you're brown. Like that student that got shot and paralyzed
Incidentally, on the train ride yesterday, passing through a little part of the Norwegian countryside, I saw a lone house flying the Palestinian flag. I cracked a little smile.
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Not sure what you mean? The Venn diagram of those who support Ukraine and those who support Israel are practically a circle.
- Well there were some who saw Israel as an aggressor like Russia and were really confused. But I was talking about any home. Not the ones with Ukraine flags.
Because while it’s good to fly them during a protest or everyday out and about, flying a Palestinian flag on your front porch will likely result in someone burning your house down or shooting at it.

It’s one thing to be attacked while you’re in a crowd of people or awake - you can defend yourself or have others help you or run etc. - but it’s another thing to be sleeping and waking up to your room in flames and collapsing
- Thats gotta be deep in evangelical country. Not in a "we believe in..." sign country.
  
  The "we believe in" people are both-sidesing it at best, with a ceasefire profile pic. A lot are just straight up supporting Israel
It's nuanced, unlike the invasion of Ukraine which just had us supporting Nazis no issue
I live in an area with a lot of pro israel jews, i dont know how im supposed to not be mad. They are bad people and before oct 7th i didnt really think much of them at all
There are still Ukrainian flags all over the place where I am, only a couple fewer.

People don't fly Palestinian flags because they don't want a brick in their window or to be branded an anti-semite. Ukrainian flags carried no such risk, Azov be damned.
Same blue “we stand with Ukraine” house by me now has “we stand with Israel” stuff
basic sense of self preservation
Maybe where you live

Here you in Chile you cant get more than 100 people together without someone yelling Aguante Palestina
I was wondering this, too, since I've seen my area have huge pro-Palestinian rallies. I have a flag up, but it's the only one I've seen anywhere in the city.

Then I saw this shit and now I get why people might be hesitant https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/logan-square-resident-faces-eviction-over-display-of-palestinian-flag/
I'll wear a Palestine hat (and have gotten some wary looks by Boomers for it), but a flag does seem a good way to get it waaay worse, tbh.
There's a lot of them around me. I see kids walking to school wearing flags as capes.
- That can't be in the US.
  
  It is! Extenuating circumstances though (maybe I buried the lede), I live in a major city and live and work in an Arab neighborhood.
The only one i've seen recently was a cursed Palestinian-flag-over-top-a-Ukrainian-flag. Looked horrible and confused me for a second, especially since the flags weren't going the same direction.
- There's the a fair amount of people who actually support both Ukraine and Palestine. They're probably also constantly confused with how the world is moving.
  
  It’s not that complex. Pro-Ukrainian propaganda was significantly more successful than Pro-Israeli propaganda. Ukraine was a flash in the pan for many people, whereas the Palestinian genocide was broadcasted directly to the eyes of many people. Russia and Ukraine at least had the optics of a war with two armies fighting each other. Many people don’t see Hamas as Palestine’s standing army.
  
  They'll figure it out once they stop confusing window cleaner for juice.
  
  I would say it’s an extremely small group of people who aren’t very politically engaged that support both. The more into geopolitics you are, the more likely you are to see the dividing line between global south and global north and know to back one side (ie, support Israel + Ukraine or support Palestine + Russia). It’s only the most surface level passive people who could hold the contradictory position of supporting Ukraine + Palestine
I live in a Ukranian neighborhood in Chicago and am too nervous to display a Palestine flag. Could easily see someone throwing rocks through my window, which is a risk I would be willing to take if I didn't love my cats so much.
Capitalists support genociding indigenous people for finance imperialism
I live in the UK: flying any flag from your home is extremely suspicious unless it's the world cup, and even then it marks you as a deeply unserious person.

I have seen a decent number of pro palestinian posters in people's windows though.
We only support the "bad" side in these things.
As opposed to the ongoing genocide muslim commit and which is fully supported by “palestinians”? Ya no May Gaza burn and any house that raises their flag

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