That overlap is extremely conservative.
Yeah, we need another circle here for people who are socially conservative. There are pro-life voters who wouldn't identify with any of these positions, leading me to label them anything but conservative.
It's almost as if people aren't as one-dimensional as some voting systems.
in multiple ways yes
MAGA in the middle
Life is full of mysteries but this is one I just will never get. How are they able to "lose the thread" so badly?
It's literally brainwashing techniques: if you repeat something often enough from an "authoritative" source then the information bypasses logical skepticism and many (more than half) of people just accept it as truthful.
It's a great adaptation for energy savings actually - e.g. engineers MUST use this principle on a daily basis when working in a team environment, or else nothing would ever get done. Even scientists whose literal job is to question EVERYTHING don't re-examine every single precept every single time (is this water that I am adding now? okay now, I am moving my right hand, but is it really MY hand, in the grand scheme of things?:-P oh no, the thing I just picked up, a second ago, is it still the same thing now?).
i.e. active disinformation is extremely destructive, and most people today seem to have few defenses against it. Especially when religion is co-opted as the delivery mechanism.
Life means something else when you're a death worshiper.
Can we just start calling it what it is? “Pro-birth” The right doesn’t care what happens to you after that…hence the outside circles…and healthcare, food assistance, shelter, etc.
I think "anti-choice" is adequate, gets the point across in a different way
Especially since “pro-choice” by no stretch means “anti-life”.
I agree wholeheartedly. I think this is an excellent phrase that describes what these people are trying to do on many levels.
The point of all of these propaganda campaigns, is take control from others and leave themselves in charge.
It centers on making everyone think the same as them.
So on every level they want to remove your choices
If they were pro birth they'd be providing, if nothing else, pre and post natal healthcare as well as paid parental leave. But they don't and deaths related to births are on the rise.
Yea, they were never going to pay for any of that or help in any way.
"Pro-suffering"?
Birth can mean a healthy happy life afterward (they wouldn't want that), so more like "pro-plentiful-cheap-labor-supply"
I oppose gun control.
I favor the death penalty, but not in the overwhelming majority of the cases that it's actually used in. Specifically, I think that it should probably be limited to people that kill for pathological reasons, people that would kill more people if they were ever able to get out of prison, people like Ed Kemper, Gary Ridgeway, Dylan Roof, etc.
I'm very solidly pro-choice, and got sterilized 20 years ago just to be sure.
I strongly favor infection control and deeply oppose lies ("misinformation") about vaccination, etc., but concede that individuals should have the choice to wear masks, get vaccinated, etc. or not, but that the gov't has a compelling interest in not allowing them into gov't buildings (schools, courts, etc.) if they refuse, and businesses have the absolute right to deny them service on the basis of their choice.
Apologist perspective: all three have a common thread, individual rights (assumption: fetuses have rights).
But even that breaks down when you consider social policies like same sex marriage and recreational drugs.
Wait, the death penalty violates that explanation. Well... I tried.
If you go left far enough you oppose gun control and aren't overlapping any of those circles...
Gun control has nothing to do with left vs right. Either you are privileged enough to have never felt true danger or you live in the real world.
I grew up in a pretty liberal area around lots of gun enthusiasts. Some of them liked to hunt, others were just really protective of their property.
I now live in a pretty conservative area around lots of gun enthusiasts. Some of them like to hunt, others are just really protective of their property.
Gun violence doesn't come from responsible gun owners, it comes from gangs (usually stolen guns), mentally unwell people (often stolen), and police (kind of both of the previous groups...). The solution isn't "fewer scary guns in general," but "better checks to reduce the guns that get to bad people."
My suggestion is to attack each of the problems separately:
- gangs - invest in poor areas to increase opportunities, legalize recreational drugs, promote free contraception options, etc
- mental health - increase access to mental health services, make requirement for locking up firearms (increase barrier to access), require private firearm sales to go through gun dealer or police (to facilitate background checks), etc
- police - split force into unarmed and armed groups, with armed police having higher expectations, training and salaries
Gun control legislation I've seen so far is mostly useless, since it attacks "scary guns" like the AR-15 style guns, which are a minority among gun violence by statistics, which are dominated by suicides and gang violence (both often use handguns, not AR-15 style rifles).
I’ve been in potentially deadly situations but guns were irrelevant to the equation.
There are a not-insignificant number of liberal gun owners.
Opposing gun control and owning a gun aren't synonymous. Is that hard to understand?
Opposing gun control isn't one big bucket. There are a lot of nonsense policies that play into public fears and are unlikely to have any meaningful impact to the actual problems, yet limit individual freedom for law abiding citizens. It's possible to support sensible gun control, and oppose certain heart-string legislation.
I am the pro gun guy but i find the other groups in the diagram repulsive. Like would you be more happy if only pigs and shills had guns let me tell you i live in a country like that and it isn't even remotly good.
Being someone living in the Netherlands, I live in a country where pigs and shills have guns, and it's great here!
As a “pro gun guy”, I’d be curious on your thoughts about compromise. Allow people to get a gun, but only after taking a gun safety-type course. Like drivers training…you’re essentially getting into a “weapon” that has the potential to kill someone so you have to learn the law and how to drive safely. Same should go for using a gun.
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I just like guns. I dont give a fuck about convicts or covid or some deadbeat's fetus. Do whatever the fuck you want but leave my dakka alone.
Nah fuck your guns too
Gotta love the amgy pro gun liberals and leftists who keep trying to theory their way out of the fact that going for a gun from a reactionary position just raises the odds you'll die in the exchange.
There is a fucking reason why even castle doctrine states will typically push duty to de-escalate, and why gun license training involves reprimanding wannabe rambos who think charging in with a glock pulled is a good idea if you realize your home has been invaded.
A firearm is NOT a defensive tool, it is a tool designed entirely for the purpose of killing, maiming, and severely injuring, the most you're going to defend yourself from is a wild animal that you caught flinching to charge you.
Also, "An armed minority can't be opressed." is something only an insane person, or a white person on red state public education system brain can say as if we don't live in a country where manifest destiny happened. The Apache didn't surrender after hundreds of years of fighting the Spanish, Mexicans, and finally Americans using just sticks and arrows.
It would certainly make more sense to label the center as MAGAts.
The diagram presumes that people who are pro-life are pro-death penalty, and also that people who are pro-choice are automatically anti-death penalty.
There are definitely people who protest at abortion clinics and also at executions. Just because someone is pro-life doesn't mean they are automatically a hypocrite.
The point is that all three of those things are pro-death.
Calling yourself pro-life and supporting policies that directly lead to death is hypocritical.
Also, the diagram doesn't have anything in the two circle overlaps, so that's saying there's no common trait between the two (although there definitely are)
There is literally only one guy who is both pro-birth and anti-gun, and I know that because when they found him he got interviewed on Sunday Morning as an oddity.
You don't know how a Venn diagram works
Yes, they are, because forced birthing is deadly. The idea of calling it "pro life" is on its face a hypocritical position.
They are welcome to call it pro-forcing-pregnancy-to-term-under-any-circumstance But I suspect that even those ghouls know it makes for a bad headline
