Liberals adopting Tankie rhetoric on electoralism
Liberals adopting Tankie rhetoric on electoralism
Yes their both fascists of a decaying empire but you need to vote for the lesser fascist.
The OP is one of the semi-weekly Have you considered how bad Gaza will be under Trump? posts on lemmy.world. Obviously these people dont give a shit about Palestinians or else they'd have different priorities. So there's no point actually trying to debate them because they aren't being honest. Its just wild to see how far they will bend to the left's framing and rhetoric while offering them absolutely nothing.
I bet I can get one to say "Please vote for the turd currently sponsoring a white-supremacist settler-colonial apartheid state's genocide of the indegenious population, or else the other turd will sponsor it more." if I said it would make me vote for Biden and I was in a swing state. They're so fucking desperate. My man, that shit ain't gonna work. The jpeg of a hundred mediocre things Biden's done because you couldn't point to any one good thing was working more than this.
PS: Of course they said yes to the bottom question.
"You have to vote for the real existing genocide because i'm afraid of the imaginary theoretical genocide in my head"
They went from " vote for the lesser evil" to "vote for the lesser genocide" with so little effort.
They refuse to consider how Democrats will reflexively become anti-Trump as soon as he is in office, which could collapse the bipartisan genocide consensus.
The keffiyeh is going to be so hip in 2025. All my new fake friends will be wearing it.
Excited for a brand new
emoji, but with a keffiyeh instead of a kente cloth. I think it'll be chuck Schumer in the lead this time too for some reason.
Yup if Trump was president every elected dem would have "from the river to the sea" in their Twitter bio.
But it's a dem president so instead that's a terrorist slogan.
voting for the lesser of two evils allows us to buy time
YOU GOT IN THE WAY OF ALL OF THAT! THAT WAS THE IDEA A LOT OF LESS RADICAL LEFTISTS WERE TALKING ABOUT AND LIBERALS SANDBAGGED AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY!!! YOU'RE NOT SETTING UP TO BUY MORE TIME, YOU'RE ALREADY BURNING THE CLOCK!!!
Been burning the clock for 52 years and all they have to show for it is one Supreme Court ruling. SMH.
I want this point to be made to every lib who acts surprised when conditions inevitably collapse and fascists dole out pogroms.
The party of “history happens when I say it happens” doesnt understand it’s living through history
Still remember them equating Bernie with Trump and bragging about the black vote that beat him before largely arguing against defund the police
So what you're telling me is that my only choice is what flavor of fascism we descend into? Wow, I sure do love harm reduction.
Boy that sure seems like an argument that democracy is a failed system if your only choice is what kind of fascism you elect.
But don't forget, we live in a democracy™
Liberal brain overclocking so hard that it starts to catch fire
Trump gave me not one but two checks, Biden still owes me $20,600. Cough it up old man
If Trump's elected liberals will be forced to oppose "christofascism" while right now they don't oppose neoliberal fascism
The country in general is more united against Trump then it is against Biden
@Schmoo@slrpnk.net why do you pretend to oppose neoliberal fascism, everyone can see you're full of shit
Yo that ain't them. And don't @ the real person. The most generous interpretation of their post history is they're a legit doomer radlib.
Thanks for looking out, but I'm still gonna @ them, theyre a grown up they can explain their position themself
Russia's election is in 2 weeks. We need to also make sure we vote for Putin also. I think he's wrong to invade Ukraine, but lets not delude ourselves that Leonid Slutsky wont be much worse! Progressives need to fall in line and declare their support for Vladimir Putin
Im voting Leo from Slut
So there's no point actually trying to debate them because they aren't being honest.
This reads more like a lib struggling with the last few excuses they can muster for supporting Democrats. They're calling Biden a neoliberal fascist, after all!
This is exactly who you want to interrogate those excuses with -- they're 90% of the way there already. "I don't know, man, supporting an ongoing genocide is my red line" seems like a good approach for folks like this.
And not just the one over there. All presidents have had genocidal stances regarding indigenous people here in the US.
PS: Of course they said yes to the bottom question
Never underestimate how patronizingly condescending libs will get towards the minorities they claim to champion when those minorities get uppity.
Al this fear mongering about how terrible a Trump term will be would be a lot more effective if we hadn't all lived through a Trump term, and then watch him get voted out despite doing everything he could to stop it, and then watch dems not do anything about all the terrible things that did happen during his first term because they suddenly weren't a big deal when a dem was president.
God forbid women and Trans people lose rights and become scapegoats for everything wrong in the country and we participate in a genocide while a republican is president instead of doing all that with a democratic president as God intended.
As if Biden isn't the accelerationist choice.
Literally.
Trump randomly derails actual fascism because somebody didn't kiss his ass hard enough, liberals want to make sure the fascism machine is running at peak efficiency.
Perfect examples democrats tried to eliminate asylum status for immigrants and suggest literally just turning EVERYBODY away afyer a certain number of people apply on one day, the most cruel policy proposed for the border to date. Fortunately Trump randomly decided to torpedo that deal because he didn't want democrats to get credit for being extra cruel on the border.
This is a concrete recent real life example of the incompetent fascists being less dangerous than the spineless fascist enablers.
Desperate times ask for desperate measures.
This is your obligatory reminder that a vote for a slow fascism over fast fascism is still a vote for fascism.
Listen, kiddo, I get it. I don't like the two-fascist-party system. I think our country is corrupt and fascist and, quite frankly, I don't wanna vote for Biden; it feels like voting for a fascist, but I'm gonna do it. You wanna know why? Because the alternative is a fucking christo-fascist. A christo-fascist. It's a christo-fascist. Maybe we can have the conversation about dismantling the two-fascist-party system when a christo-fascist isn't running. Maybe we can do that later, kiddo. Champ. Chief. Maybe we can talk about it later.
Especially when half the country is trying to say the slow fascism isn't fascism.
Liberals are like "Biden might be a fascist but he's our fascist"
What do you think a productive use of your vote would be?
INCREDIBLE post
Having any decrepit politician choke on it.
This question assumes there is anything productive about voting for president
The prerequisite question is, do you live in a swing state?
There is no productive use of our votes. The choices are a genocidal fascist, a genocidal fascist, and people who have no chance of winning. However it will be funny to vote PSL or Green in my swing state and watch liberals mald.
However it will be funny to vote PSL or Green in my swing state and watch liberals mald.
Sounds pretty productive to me
I would like to say if Biden looses then at least one party would understand that genocide is unelectable. But thats a little too optimistic about the DNC for me.
If you actually cared about elections and Palestinians you'd be spending your time telling people to call their reps and yell at them.
If you actually wanted Biden to win you would never even mention Palestine. Every time someone makes the lesser evil argument Biden looses votes. You're not getting any youths out phone banking or canvassing to GOTV for "please vote for the lesser fascist". But the sad truth is they have nothing left to campaign on.
This is the true litmus test.
If they actually cared about Palestinians more than Biden winning they'd be yelling at Biden to stop doing a genocide.
Fuck if they cared more about winning than just supporting the status quo they'd be screaming at Biden to stop doing a genocide since people have been incredibly clear that's why they're withholding their vote.
It's really really telling where their frustrations lie.
They're more concerned with continuing to genocide muslims than they are with winning.
Voting for school board members who actually believe in public education and local government officials that believes that funding local government is a net benefit.
I'm going to apply my same standard of "not voting for anybody currently enabling a genocide" for that race too, it's just that isn't an issue for the vast majority of people excluding Biden.
There literally isn't a productive use for my vote on any scenario cuz I don't live in any of the 7/50 states where my vote fucking matters at all.
I do. I'm voting PSL. You can direct the angry libs to me if you like.
Voting against every tough-on-crime monster running for mayor/sheriff/DA.
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I don't care that they call me one and it signals to me that they see a
cringe ass libbased AF commie
god i fucking hate "solarpunk." took cool things like environmentalism and diy and made it cringe lib shit.
Solarpunk is cool regardless if its currently a liberal fad.
Libs think of a political action that isn't voting for a fascist every 4 years challenge
But if the blue one is in office, they can dust their hands off and sit back and do absolutely nothing, having saved the world!
Voting is the new punk fellow kids
So, basically just a protection racket at this point...