No. That sounds like wage theft. If my boss pulled something like that I'd be on the phone with my state's department of labor so freakin' fast. If you worked the hours they have to pay you for it.
Even if it weren't illegal, it'd be a big flashing neon sign saying, "We will screw you over every chance we get, and you will be nothing but miserable working here."
Others have heavily covered the legality portion of this but I want to point out one other key factor: any employer that tries to pull this kind of shit clearly has a significant employee retention problem, and they're trying to fix it by trapping their employees financially rather than getting to the root of the problem.
Refuse to sign this agreement and find another job. If they let you join without signing this agreement keep applying elsewhere because you'll almost certainly learn very quickly why they have such a bad employee retention problem
You don't have to ask us. Contact your state's attorney general and/or workforce commission directly. They'll know.
Edit: I speculate not. For one, my general understanding is "time worked is time paid." You cannot be deducted pay for the cost of, for instance, mistakes.
For two, I don't think a contract that doesn't benefit you in any way is enforceable.
Edit3: The legal term I was thinking of here was Unconscionability
You might start clandestinely recording conversations with your supervisors if that's legal in your state, just in case they try to pull some "off the record" shenanigans when/if you blow the whistle.
Edit2: There is a pretty good voice recording app in the fdroid repository. I've used "Simple Voice Recorder" from there, picked up good audio through my pants pocket, but your phone will vary and you should test the ability to record surreptitiously vs clearly before the recording is needed.
It’s blatantly illegal, and the fact that they were dumb enough to put it in writing means you have a slam dunk case for your local department of labor. File a complaint, and let the DoL take it from there; The entire department exists to deal with bullshit like this, but they only act on complaints.
Nope, that's illegal.
As many have said, this is not legal if you are in the US. You can, and should, file a complaint online. Here is the process: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints
No. It is legal and usual to pay in arrears (you work 2 weeks then get your check a week later) but it's not legal (even here in Florida where workers have few protections) to withhold pay for hours worked. That's wage theft, and it's epidemic in the United States.
What job requires a security deposit?
Okay so first off if this a job you are thinking about taking just don't. Legal or not I have never had a job do anything like this or anything close. At the very best they are looking to screw you, at worst they are stealing.
As for if this is legal (nal) my understanding is that for no reason can a company in the US dock, fine or in any other way deny you wages for any work already performed. It doesn't matter if you did the work you need to be paid at the agreed rate. They can come up to you and just say that from this point forward the pay will be different, but only for future work.
The one exception to this that I am aware of is if you sign an agreement with them that lets them do this. Such as fines for lost uniforms. Often this will end up in a legal grey area though very few good businesses will do this.
TLDR business have to pay you for time worked. Crash the company truck they can fire you, but that last check has to be in full.
Very much illegal where I live.
Not to mention, if the company has to implement such practices, it means it has a problem retaining staff.
If it has problems retaining staff and solves it not by addressing the underlying issues but by extortion, why would you work for such a company? Their management is clearly incompetent.
If you are in the US, that’s likely very illegal. Wherever you are, talk to your state, Providence, federal, etc. labor board.
Those paragraphs read like a monetary version of a slave's collar... disturbing.
Extremely illegal. Every minute you work must be unconditionally paid in full or they're committing wage theft.
It's a red flag if I never saw one! Better not take that job...
Holy fuck no! That's not normal, and I can't possibly believe that's legal.
Note: my experience is based on living primarily in liberal cities in the US.
No, that's wage theft.
This sounds more like someone is comparing housing lease agreements to employment to make a point about how shitty lease agreements are and that they are basically legal, but wouldn't be for employment.
Most likely illegal, but that depends on the "where". But I think this might even be illegal in the US.
Why does it have to be this complicated? See flow chart for sanity:
Did employee work? Yes -> pay them in full
That us a big red flag.
That tells you that people often want to leave that company, and they try to force people to stay. It also speaks volumes about the management culture that rather than entice people to stay they try to make it difficult to leave and punish people for doing so.
Also it's likely illegal - if you work the hours it's your money.
It depends what your situation is - I'd only take that job if absolutely desperate and no choice, and keep searching for something better. I'd write off the half month salary but consider options on making complaints to get the money after I had something better lined up.
Even if everything else about the company is fine, I'd be very wary of the management culture long term.
Normal? Yeah. Too common. Wage theft is the most common type of theft.
Legal? No.
fuck that company, don't work for free for even one second.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but it seems like this could be legal in Canada if the employee agrees in writing: https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/laws-regulations/labour/interpretations-policies/deductions-wages.html
That said, I'd nope the hell out of that contract, legal or not.
I've had plenty of jobs where you don't get a check for like the first 3 weeks while they setup the payroll system. Or so they say. Frankly, in the modern day, I don't see how it's that hard or takes that long. It should be near instant via an electronic system. Pop my fuckin' info into it and start tracking my hours from day 1.
Pretty sure that's illegal.
Was pretty sure this was satire
No this is really fucking weird and authoritarian. I'd leave ASAP.
Pretty sure that is wage theft in the United States. But you could only action it if you left early and they refused to give you your wage afaik.
Nope, not legal.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Or, that's a paddlin'.
Both applicable. Take your pick.
OP appears to be a anti-wage theft advocate, not a potential employee looking for legal advice, based on their post history.
That's a paddlin'
My gut reaction is to say "that's blatantly illegal", but maybe local law is different... I'm pretty sure it's not legal in the US at the very least though
No it's not normal and it doean't look legal either
If a company needs byzantine rules around compensation, don't engage. This was a solved problem centuries ago through much more straightforward means, and these casino-like rules only favor the house.
On top of what others are saying, this text does not adequately describe the conditions of resignation and "if you leave". This is also clearly not legal copy which suggests it's not a part of any contract, or is at best paraphrasing the intent of an actual contract of dubious legal standing. Either way, a lawyer would probably have a field day with this.
Also, a resignation can be coerced by giving you a false choice, usually to the tune of "sign this or else". Combined with the "you didn't complete your grace period" language, they are more or less incentivized to do this to all but their top performers.
Forward this, along with any relevant contact information to your state's labor board, your state's Attorney General & the Federal Dept of Labor.
"At-will employment for me but not for thee", eh? Very cheeky.
Normal for some companies to enact policies that are batshit crazy? Yes.
Legal? Not a chance in hell.
Never had anything like that in the US.
:-D
It sounds like this job pays monthly, is that correct?
Does the "security deposit" take you below minimum wage for the month (or portion of the month if you start between the 2nd and the 10th)?
If you agree to it and it doesn't take you below minimum wage it might be legal depending on your location. If it goes below minimum wage and you're in the US I'm pretty sure it's illegal. Definitely if you go below federal minimum wage, but if you're somewhere with a higher minimum wage there could be exceptions to the local law this falls under.
It would get more complicated if you're an exempt salaried employee and this takes you below the level where you can be exempt but keeps you above minimum wage for 40hrs/week. They would have to make sure they're in compliance with regulations for hourly workers and I doubt they'd bother with that.
But, as others have said, unless you're desperate don't work for these assholes.
