Elder scrolls

Simplifying the most recent scroll bar feels like a huge step backwards to me. It really is the epitome of modern tech needlessly boiling down to its basic visual aspects to emulate a "clean" environment for the users.

Give me back my scroll bar texture damnit

This. Holy shit is it frustrating to click a pixel wide scroll bar that is on the edge between two monitors. It's even worse when they disappear.
- Not just scrollbars. Buttons, input fields, etc.
  
  Dammit I sometimes have to search for elements I can interact with. Back in the day it was self explaining.
- I recently had a complaint with a website:
  
  "Users are having trouble scrolling!"
  
  My response:
  
  "Are they using the scroll wheel/directly scrolling with the touchpad, or using the scroll bar?"
  
  They were, of course, using the scroll bar. I am now somehow responsible for design choices made at the level of the browser, because browsers have decided that the scroll bar should be nigh impossible to use. Yippee.
UIs get worse all the time, very frustrating. Who needs contrast, right? I have good eyes and know exactly where to look. My mother? Holy shit no chance.
- Not necessarily for visibility but when i work I NEED FUCKING BORDERS FOR MY FUCKING BRAIN TO KEEP FUCKING STRUCTURE AND NOT EVERYTHING FADING OUT INTO ..yeah thanks i lost the thread again
- At least on the bright side, people are becoming much more aware of accessibility. I'd argue that old sites were accessible mainly on accident due to most being restricted to fairly straightforward CSS and HTML. The advent of Javascript was a dark time...
- It's really depressing how often I have to turn off CSS entirely just to view a webpage. I could of course always go into the inspector and turn off the bad CSS, but Gecko-based browsers fortunately have "View -> Page Style -> No Style" which is must easier and faster.
  
  And seriously, whoever invented the font-weight CSS property can burn in hell. Ditto for whoever decided that we should only be allowed to read light grey text on slightly lighter grey background.
Its the epitome of technology that as it improves some things become obsolete.

Pretty much every mouse has a scroll wheel on them now. I very seldom click on a scroll bar now. So the design has changed with that consideration in mind.
- It's a design choice, not a question of obsolescence. If it were, we'd be talking about their decision on removing the scroll bar, not changing it.
  
  At the very least the style change could have been optional.

The elder scrolls, online

Anyone else hate the trend of removing arrow buttons?

I hated the trend of flat buttons. Then they removed the buttons. Then they basically removed the entire scrollbar altogether.

At this point, I'd happily go back to the age of flat buttons. That's how bad things have gotten....
I am not a fan of the general trend of de-buttoning.

Like... isn't the entire point to make things consistent and intuitive? Make a clickable button visually distinct!
What I hate is how in Firefox in Linux I only have these tiny "slim" scrollbars that hide when not in use.
- I'm sure you can disable that behaviour
- I didn’t notice much since generally don’t have the arrow buttons and I wouldn’t use them. I use arrow keys, pagination keys, home/end key, scroll wheel/motion, drag the bar or click somewhere to jump there. Those buttons were always quite tiny.
  
  But the behavior of my scrollbar looks like this: slides in on use or when the mouse gets moved; gets fatter when hovered
  
  Though hiding stuff sucks indeed.
  
  Edit: You can configure scrollbar to always be visible.
Someone actually uses those?
- Yes.
- No.

2024, scrollbars? What scrollbars? We decided that you don't need them. Sorry but your adblocker and script blocking, broke our own shitty implementation of scrolling. Please enable all scripts for our large ad family to feast on your data.

I really hate sites that change scrolling It always looks weird and uncomfortable. Who thinks this is a good idea?
- Search engine optimizers.
  If you spend more time on a site, it looks higher value, so they do everything to increase the time you need to find the info you came for.

I like 1998 the most. Easy on the eyes and doesn't distract from the content that would appear on the side, but has enough pop to indicate that it can be interacted with.

For me it's the XP scrollbars that do it for me, cause I was sick and tired of the BSoDs I got during the Win9x era (especially in WinMe). I couldn't wait to get a PC with the newer OS as a teen. It was considerably more stable for me (especially after SP2).
- I reckon SP2 was peak Windows. At the time, even as Windows 7 came about, IT people would always say how rock solid XP SP2 was, excellent driver support, ran everything you wanted at the time and rarely had issues.
  
  I feel especially as a teen, I was so enamored with the allure of the Aero theme which was in Vista and eventually 7 that I was quick to dismiss XP.
  
  Hind sight is 20/20, now I just run Linux because Windows is not what it used to be, now its a bloated monster.

I yearn to return to 1998.

Just install linux and change your gtk/qt theme. It's that easy.
- Changing my theme won't take me back to 1998, Vlad.
  
  :(
- It does suck that Linux copies the same terrible themes from Windows and that the older more accessible themes are becoming incompatible with modern Linux distros.
  
  I just want a Linux that looks like a computer from 1998. Be it Windows, Mac OS X or native Linux.
It's easily the best option on this image. Nothing else even comes close in terms of visual clarity and simple aesthetics.

I'm not a huge fan of the flat button aesthetic. Give me the 3D-esque buttons and the translucent Aero window frames of Windows Vista.

Our GPUs, even the integrated ones, are powerful enough for it now.

I am scared of the Plasma 6 upgrade. I currently have oxygen theme with a bunch of stuff like lamp minimizing effect, fall apart effect when closing windows, wobbly windows when moving or resizing them, animated rainbow mouse pointer (XP style). Also the loading mouse icon when opening programs is the programs icon jumping up and down.
I am not sure all of it will work on Plasma 6.
- I can verify that lamp minimizing, and wobbly windows work on plasma 6 (Arch btw). The only things that stopped working for me were a couple widgets that I found out haven't been updated in like 8 years.

2024.... one pixel wide

And disappears and reappears without rhyme or reason like it's possessed.

I miss visible, usable scroll bars. Now they're replaced with… nothing, because we want everything to be invisible while keeping a lot of empty space in modern designs, it seems.

My favorite is that you can't see if content is actually off screen sometimes. No scrolbar to indicate and often those clean lines just look like the end of the content. Horrible

2006 was the peak

Combining 2006 and 2009 would be ideal. High contrast etc.
I actually prefer 1988, the haven't managed to improve it at all
- It worked well in 1988, but in a world of dark mode UIs you can’t tell which is the highlighted area without contour shading.

Did anyone ever rock Windows Longhorn when they were developing vista?

Yep, I sure did. For quite a while too, as I recall. I think I was too scared to move to it permanently and dual-booted with WinXP. First time I saw the status bar of a copy or install processing and seeing it do the …rolling colors in the filled in portion I thought something was wrong. I was used to a static status bar where it just filled in and didn’t do anything fancy.

I remember Windows XP coming out and we all mocked it as Windows but with an interface by Crayola. But I'd gladly have that Crayola interface back rather than the flat modern crap we have now.

I actually like 1988.

It's definitely the superior scroll bar.

2001-2006 the golden age of scrollbars.

I used all of them, I'm feeling old now.

And now I'm blind. Thanks!

You should've known better, the moth priests have to train for years to use these

In 2012, Tiber Septim achieved Chim and erased the scrollbar textures.

What will be released first? Elder Scroll 6 vs new Windows scroll bar?

I seem to recall Apple going through a phase when they put both arrows on both sides of the scrollbar.

Where's the 1984 text only version?

I feel there's missing one

laughs in Thinkpad

I can't be the only one that sees it, right?